It takes a lot of balls for Grizzly supporters to say that Fargo is so far out of the way and so difficult to get to. I've got news for you, the world doesn't revolve around Missoula, I'm not sure you're even in the same galaxy as the rest of the world. The location of the Missoula and the University make the superior attitude of Grizzly fans almost comical. Missoula's only claim to fame in my book is that it's only about 160 miles or so from Coeur DAlene, Idaho, one of the most beautiful areas in the USA.
Both the NDSU team and their fans have reputations in the North Central Conference: drunken thugs for some players and louts for their fans. It will be interesting what sort of opinion you guys develop of them.
Full disclaimer: As a UND fan 8) , thought you Griz might need more motivation to pummel the 2-8 Div II Bison and burst the ego of their ***-slinging fans!!
I have never heard of this Bob Holiday guy, but his credibility was shot real fast with numbers. The stadium expansions increases capacity to 24K. As for Missoula's claim to fame, the writer showed some incredibly shallow insight. There are too many things to pick a part there, so I won't even begin except to say one the most beautiiful places in the country is 120 miles north of Missoula which is Glacier National Park(Cour d'alene isnt in the same "ball" park as GNP). Mr Holiday must write for the National Inquirer portion of ND paper. I do like his picture. Thanks for the post UND fan.
That is just like a UND fan. Can't win the state of North Dakota so they have to go outside.
As for the article, I tend not to agree with him on this but do think that Fargo is not so downtroden as some of you Montana posters make it sound. And Missoula is not as bad as Bob made it sound in the article. I do agree that the Fargo community might have an advantage over the Missoula community based on number of people in the area and the number of alumni that are just three hours away in the Twin Cities and also that Fargo-Moorhead itself is larger then Missoula. Also, the FargoDome has regular stadium seating where it looks like Washington-Grizzly has just bench seating. I don't know much about Wash-Griz concessions but the FargoDome is about the same as a pro-stadium minus the beer.
I think the area around Missoula is very beautiful (at least by the pictures I have seen). I am vacationing to Glacier this September and then will know better. I will also see the Washington-Grizzly as well so I would be a better judge.
One thing that can't be denied is that U of Montana Grizzly fans loyal and pack the stadium for every game each fall. That is something that we (NDSU) can't say completely. NDSU might average in the top 2 or 3 in Division II in attendence but is far from what Montana averages. In time, I hope the FargoDome is the place to go on a Saturday afternoon or evening like Washington-Grizzly is in Missoula.
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UNDfan Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2003 6:16 pm Post subject: NDSU rant about Griz fans superior attitudes
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Just thought you Griz fans may have an interest in an article on Missoula/Griz a ......................
I take that as a compliment that the Fighting Susans fans need to come to the Griz for help.
The Outhouse they call UND should get their own Division I house in order before trashing someone elses. Hockey Goalie caught stealing pull-tabs, hockey player guilty of conterfeiting money, former goalie offers $1 million dollar bribe to arresting officers on and on................
Besides that I don't think the Griz want us trashing their boards with Division II Football Shiat.
All this talk about stadiums is rediclous none of it will matter at all in the end. The Griz fans would show up and raise hell if the team was playing on a cow pasture so the actual stadium don't mean that much. I mean every year Griz fans travel to places like Maine and Long Island to whatch their tem for God sake maany of them will even put them selves through the torture of going to Bozeman just to see the Griz play. So all this talk about the famous Fargo Dome is a joke, no one gives a damn. All, I will say is that on game day you will all discover why Washington Grizzly stadium is so beloved by Griz fans. It isn't because of Mrs. Felids cookies or Antelope jerky either. I'll let you find out for your selves though.
Thats the funniest thing Ive ever read! UND fan lives DIAA football vicariously through the NDSU BISON!! The fact that he is a naysayer is certainly no suprise.
when I read Holiday's column I had to agree he was right on the money with at least some of the Griz Fans Ive encountered. I was especially bemused by those fans that insisted Fargo is a backwater and brings nothing to the table. But, on the other hand I have also seen a lot of Griz fans that see the situation for what it is. So, I think it was right on for those Griz fans that hold the attitude he's highlighting, but certainly doesnt speak to all of the great Griz Fans we see.
I hear there was a big game with D2 power Central Washingtion last season? IF thats true could somebody tell me about it?
This last poster, JBB, is a stereotypical loudmouth Bison fan. I think he was even banned at a UND message board. As far as living Div I-AA vicariously through NDSU; hardly. NDSU is switching to IAA so you have a chance of beating us again with a two-to-one scholarship advantage.
As far as debating who wins in North Dakota, how about this UND vs NDSU scorecard:
Last football champ: UND, 2001
Football series: UND 61-45-3
Last 15 fb games in series: UND advantage
2002-3 Attendance: 400,000 UND vs 140,000 NDSU
Basketball tradition: UND, by far (Phil Jackson, Bill Fitch)
Last womens BB Champ: UND
Facilities: $100 mill 12,000 seat UND arena vs BSA dump
Radio Network: UND (statewide)
Cable Network: UND (statewide)
Div I Championships: UND (7 Hockey)
Students: UND
Alumni: UND
All-academic athletes: UND
Student-convicts: NDSU
Wrestling: NDSU (UND does not have it)
Ogres fans: NDSU
So why is NDSU moving to Div I? To pre-empt being further overshadowed .
Why should the Big Sky take an NDSU program that is not even #1 in North Dakota? It would be like choosing MSU over Montana.
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Thats the funniest thing Ive ever read! UND fan lives DIAA football vicariously through the NDSU BISON!! The fact that he is a naysayer is certainly no suprise.
when I read Holiday's column I had to agree he was right on the money with at least some of the Griz Fans Ive encountered. I was especially bemused by those fans that insisted Fargo is a backwater and brings nothing to the table. But, on the other hand I have also seen a lot of Griz fans that see the situation for what it is. So, I think it was right on for those Griz fans that hold the attitude he's highlighting, but certainly doesnt speak to all of the great Griz Fans we see.
I hear there was a big game with D2 power Central Washingtion last season? IF thats true could somebody tell me about it?
What fans have ever said that NDSU has nothing to offer? Or called your city backwater? Are you sure you ain't talkin about Montana State fans? As for the Central Washington game....you are talkin about MSU. And on the Cat's HOMECOMING no less.
-Since 1965, what is the record of the UND-NDSU football game? (NDSU 25 wins, UND 15 wins). This included the longest winning streak in the series of 12 wins from 1981 to 1992 for NDSU.
-Who has won more national titles in any division in football? (NDSU 8, UND 1)
-Who averages more fans over the 2 past seasons? (to get one rival game at home)? (NDSU 11,365, UND 10,002) This given the fact that UND won the DII national title in 2001 and NDSU finished 2-8 in 2002.
-Who has the better post-season playoff record? (NDSU 30-12, UND 8-8)
-Who has a recently deceased multi-millionare give his Las Vegas casino winnings to a school and would only have these facilities because of these casino winnings? (UND)
-Which city has supported its programs by taxing itself to upgrade their universities facilities? (both, but Fargo taxed itself both for a football stadium and baseball stadium built on NDSU property. Grand Forks taxed itself for a facility away from UND property.)
-Who can bring in top Divsion II and I-AA opponents for their non-conference schedule? (NDSU has UC-Davis-now I-AA, former DII power and a Top 25 in Tusculum, TN this year and also Concordia of St. Paul (a team that won 9 games in the NSIC. UND has the likes of the NSIC doormat in Minnesota-Crookston and another bottom-feeder in Newberry of Tennessee coming to Grand Forks this year.)
-Who is moving up to get better competion? (NDSU will be moving up to I-AA in 2004 and UND has said that DII is the place for them as they are basically a hockey-only school.)
It is clear, NDSU has had the edge over the past 38 years over UND in both head to head and in national dominance. By NDSU staying in DII, it has allowed UND and other DII teams to compete with us because of less and less scholorships.
I just wanted to remind our fine friends from North Dakota that this sight is called EGRIZ it is not a place for them to argue over bragging rights of their pathtic little state. This site is dedicated to the University of Montana Grizzlies not any other team. Frankly, I could care less who has the best team in North Dakota. The only thing I know is that NDSU is coming to play the Griz in Missoula and they will get beat , probably very badly too. You guys need to quit conaminating this message board with your pathetic argument.
Amen to that FLGRIZ, we shouldn't be talking smack on your board with UND people. Although Bison Kent had to reply to what the UND person said. Just remember who brought this to your back yard, a UND fan. He had to come running here like some little third grade school girl ready to tattle on the big bad Bison.
Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life.
I heard they hate this so I thought I would spread it
BUCK THE FISON
BUCK THE FISON
BUCK THE FISON UP THE ASS
RAISE YOUR GLASSES
KICK SOME ASSES
BUCK THE FISON UP THE ASS
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I read Bob Holliday's piece on his visit to Missoula. What he was telling the Bison fans on his site, was that the facilities in Missoula, are not overwhelming because U of M moved up to D1AA in the 1970's. In other words the football facility is nice, but does not compare with Memorial Staduim in Lincoln, Nebraska in size and also has mostly bleacher type seats.
As far as my choice between the FargoDome and Washington Staduim for watching a game, it depends on what time of the year the game is played. If its late October or November, I would prefer the FargoDome to Washington Staduim. If its early September then Washington is the place to be on a balmy Saturday afternoon. It is a little surprising that Washington has no lights, but it would appear Saturday afternoon football fits the Missoula community by the consistent crowds they have drawn.
I have been in Missoula twice for games with SDSU in 1988 and again in 1993. What Bob is saying about Washington Staduim is an accurate description, it was not trash at all. In 1993, there were mostly bleacher seats, that were comfortable, but they were not back types. The fact that U Of M has upgraded to accommodate larger crowds is to their credit and I wish SDSU had that problem of standing room only for football.
Both times we played U OF M the difference in scholarships and the quality of athletes that they could recruit made the difference, but in terms of facilities, the Big Sky is not that far ahead of some NCC schools in facilities. Adams is much like Frost(SDSU basketball facility), but much older with the quonset design. It appearred to me to be a great place to watch a basketball game. To me that is what Bob Holliday is trying to say.
For this ninny from UND to imply that Bob Holliday was trashing U of M is as stupid as the hockey nuts that own Siouxsports.com. Talk about sensitivity being give and no take, Jim Dahl and his SiouxSports.com is the champion. There have been more fans than JBB booted and its mostly because, you can not speak your mind on that board. Say good things about UND, or forget it. The UND group feels they are above any kind of critizism and I have no dog in the UND-NDSU fight. It may take a few seasons for NDSU football to recover from their low point of 2-8, last season, but football is very much the King for NDSU sports.
I can appreciate the U of M fans not wanting their board cluttered up with NDSU-UND banter, so I will say nothing about my instate friends who wear red and white and live in Vermillion.(U of South Dakota)
I will say this about Missoula and U of M. My two visits to Missoula were fun times. Fans and the public were generally friendly and if you told them where you were from, you got a nice conversation. The area around Missoula is beautiful, and I can see why they are disappointed with the flatlands of eastern Dakota. With patience, maybe we can win some friends in Montana and the Big Sky. I think SDSU and NDSU could still become conference members in the Big Sky, its a matter of "when".
Why cant we all get along? Maybe its because some people want to keep score.
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SDSUfan, why do YOU have to spin what Bob Holiday had to say about Missoula and the university sports facilities? It is a very negative article, is NOT accurate and is poorly written. Your explanation of what he really meant to say does not fly.
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The 2003 addition is welcome because they needed additional seating. They can seat 20000 with this addition. Yes, 20,000 seats and every one is a bleacher seat. The configuration is in a small bowl with about 30 rows of bleachers all around. The field has no artificial lighting. University of Montana football facilities include what is probably the best artificial surface for sports. Practice fields are practically as non-existent as is adequate parking.
The number of seats is over 23,000 and there are NO bleachers. The Dornblaser practice field complex is massive and in excellent condition.
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But most importantly, in the comparison between the two schools, Missoula, MT is a very nice city stuck in a godforsaken place. It takes a lot of balls for Grizzly supporters to say that Fargo is so far out of the way and so difficult to get to. I've got news for you, the world doesn't revolve around Missoula, I'm not sure you're even in the same galaxy as the rest of the world. The location of the Missoula and the University make the superior attitude of Grizzly fans almost comical. Missoula's only claim to fame in my book is that it's only about 160 miles or so from Coeur DAlene, Idaho, one of the most beautiful areas in the USA.
Missoula is a godforsaken place only if you have to come play football at Washington-Grizzly! The world will be revolving around Missoula in one month. Your man, Holliday, has no credibility whatsoever. Perhaps he should go come to our tailgate and attend a game at the stadium. His attitude is in dire need of an adjustment. Don't try to apologize for him.
62 you are absoutly right about this Holiday guy. The man is a idiot of the highest caliber but then what would you expect from a North Dakotan. I've been to Fargo it would be as bad as Bozeman exept they don't have the Cats playing there. Both places really suck anyways. As for the game with NDSU this fall the Griz will show Holiday that we truly are supeior and are not just acting that way.
I am not spinning Bob Holiday. I simply agree with his comments regarding your facilities. They are not much different from what you would find in Brookings or Fargo. I think sometimes you Montona folks forget that you too, only have one seat in the US House of Representatives and a population that is not much more than North or South Dakota. True recently, you have had success with your football teams and I am certainly not knocking that. As I said I have been to Missoula twice and seen all your facilities. Have you ever taken time to see what the Dakotas have to offer in terms of facilities? Or is that below your dignitity. I feel I know what I am talking about when it comes to facilities. True you have added seating since 1993, but basically its the same facility, just more seating. Now how is that a knock to your fine University. I am merely calling a spade a spade.
I just wish the Big Sky would give SDSU and NDSU a chance to prove what they can do to improve the conference. There is this notion that the Dakotas schools would cheapen the Big Sky and travel is too costly. How about a trip to Flagstaff that cant be cheap or handy since you bus from Phoenix to Flagstaff, in which the bus ride will give you bleacher butt. We could not fail any worse than Cal-State North Ridge, Portland State.
Sacremento State and Northern Arizonia are hardly the bell cows of the Big Sky. I got the feeling that U OF Montana wants things just as they are now in order to appease 23000 fans or what ever the number.
Why cant we all get along? Maybe its because some people want to keep score.
You were at Wash/Griz when it seated 12,500. It has been expanded to 23,117. And the luxury boxes have been added and College football's biggest Jumbo Tron and SpinTurf. You cannot compare out facilities to Div II. Experts have said they are similar to Div. 1A.
Also our Gym was totally gutted and remodeled along with millions of dollars of additions and improvements to our other athletic facilities back in 1999 or 2000.
Maybe someone here can give a more detailed report on the athletic facility improvements we've made.
You come here in 2003 and then you can spout off about our facilities.
Don't compare our 1993 facilities to you. That's bogus.
Wow I am impressed about as much as Bob Holiday was. Its still the same staduims, and just because the seating has doubled, should I really get overly impressed. The attitude that Bob alluded to in his post on Bison-Insider is right on with some Grizz fans on this board and that is "Im better than you". We will see as time goes on. 8)
Why cant we all get along? Maybe its because some people want to keep score.
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My apologies to the Griz fans on this board for the poor board behavior of the UND fan. It is typical of them. I and most Bison fans are very much looking forward to playing in the new Washington Griz Stadium. From the pictures I have seen it looks fantastic and seems to be a place that will have a lot of excitement.
I think all Bison fans should refrain from engaging in any UND smack with the UND fans on this board. Let's show more class than UND......
What fans have ever said that NDSU has nothing to offer? Or called your city backwater? Are you sure you ain't talkin about Montana State fans? As for the Central Washington game....you are talkin about MSU. And on the Cat's HOMECOMING no less.
Thanks, I looked a little bit but couldn't find it on the Griz board. Now I know why. I should also add that I have great respect for both Montana schools and look forward to the competition that lies ahead.
I didn't really know that und fans like this loudmouth prowled the boards to search for opportunity to defame NDSU and me! Wow, what a paranoid this und idiot is. On behalf of all respectable North Dakotans I apologize for this lout. Its certainly not the first time und and it's constituents have embarrassed North Dakota. They are simply lashing out at anything and everything as they watch us move up and leave them behind.
It's a couple of years too soon to brag about NDSU in DI-AA football, but the challenge starts this year. We travel to play the Griz, one of the best teams in the country. I look forward to the game and a chance to compete. This will be our first DI-AA game of the new BISON era. I'm glad it's with Montana. Both Montana schools have been traditional rivals for many years. Rivalries that have been on hold since the NCC failed to follow the BSC into DI-AA in the seventies.
The NCC should have moved but und was preoccupied with DI hockey and kept the league back. this was their strategy to keep the notoriety of being North Dakotas only DI athletic team, even though it was only in hockey. Now that NDSU has finally grown to the point where we can make the belated move without und and most of the remaining NCC the institutional and individual behavior of the und constituency jealous of this move has become embarrassing. Once again I apologize for them.
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fans. It will be interesting what sort of opinion you guys develop of them.
The fact that he is a naysayer is certainly no suprise.
