TREASON - This word imports a betraying, treachery, or breach of allegiance.
The Constitution of the United States, Art. III, defines treason against the United States to consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid or comfort. This offence is punished with death. By the same article of the Constitution, no person shall be convicted of treason, unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.
Dosent his words AID OBL? Our enemy... The one who called for Jihad against us...
How do his words aid OBL? Specifics please! You haven't answered one of my questions yet. Try this one and before you start, read what he actually said. It can't hurt!
TREASON - This word imports a betraying, treachery, or breach of allegiance.
The Constitution of the United States, Art. III, defines treason against the United States to consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid or comfort. This offence is punished with death. By the same article of the Constitution, no person shall be convicted of treason, unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.
Dosent his words AID OBL? Our enemy... The one who called for Jihad against us...
[Sigh] Yeah ... anyone who says anything other than "President Bush sure is a swell and smart feller" is committing treason because if we're either with Bush or we're against Bush, and since OBL is against Bush, we have to agree with Bush or else we're on the same side as OBL.
Is that about the level at which we're operating? Although, you know, OBL didn't like Clinton either, so I guess everybody who didn't like Clinton and spoke out against him committed treason as well ... especially during the impeachment. That emboldened OBL and gave him ammunition to tell his people that the U.S. was immoral, and that aided his terrorist activites. So I guess most of the House Republicans, and certainly most of the posters on this board, are also guilty of treason.
This whole conversation is just stupid. Seriously. Are you guys trying to be obtuse, or are you really this far gone?
It's probably mentioning that I can't stand Gore, either (I voted for Bush in that one because Gore pissed me off so bad). However, I can't stand mindless partisan criticism of anyone, no matter how little I care for them myself. This whole culture of soundbites and coughing up talking points that don't even make sense just pisses me off.
I yearn for an age of enlightenment. Oh won't somebody please give our country some enlightenment!
Of course, I'm getting nostalgic for an era that never existed -- politics has always been ugly and mindless, for the most part. The difference is that today so many people have so much more access to expressing their opinions (and what others have told them are their opinions) online and on the radio, so we are all just much more aware of it.
Rumor has it that it is the whitehouses job to be dipolmatic to other nations
He was speaking to an economic forum to the business leaders of the country. It's perfectly fine to do what he did (you know, trying to build bridges between our countries culturally and economically).
It is not possible for me to disagree more, and that's cool.
I'm sorry that you disagree ... but I'm happy that I'm an American and have the freedoms that we do ... including the freedoms guaranteed to us that cause me to be right and you to be wrong on this point. And next time I travel overseas, I will freely express my opinions to people as I see fit, and nobody will yank my passport as a result. And that is very cool.
TREASON - This word imports a betraying, treachery, or breach of allegiance.
The Constitution of the United States, Art. III, defines treason against the United States to consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid or comfort. This offence is punished with death. By the same article of the Constitution, no person shall be convicted of treason, unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.
Dosent his words AID OBL? Our enemy... The one who called for Jihad against us...
[Sigh] Yeah ... anyone who says anything other than "President Bush sure is a swell and smart feller" is committing treason because if we're either with Bush or we're against Bush, and since OBL is against Bush, we have to agree with Bush or else we're on the same side as OBL.
Is that about the level at which we're operating? Although, you know, OBL didn't like Clinton either, so I guess everybody who didn't like Clinton and spoke out against him committed treason as well ... especially during the impeachment. That emboldened OBL and gave him ammunition to tell his people that the U.S. was immoral, and that aided his terrorist activites. So I guess most of the House Republicans, and certainly most of the posters on this board, are also guilty of treason.
This whole conversation is just stupid. Seriously. Are you guys trying to be obtuse, or are you really this far gone?
BAC- You are truly crazy!!! Clinton was impeached because HE LIED UNDER OATH!!!
What Gore has done IS HELPING THE TERRORISTS!!!!
The differnce in Reps and dems is that during Clintons trials MOST reps said lets wait and see what happens. Dems on the other hand, have decided that they are the JURY AND JUDGE. They just keep throwing crap against the wall and hoping it sticks!!!
It fine with me- that tactic just makes people mad, and then they vote against it.
PS Hey BAC. When did ANY Rep during the Clinton yells EVER do any of the things the Libs are doing now?. ANSWER NEVER.
So yes the Libs are going to lose in 2008 and it dosent matter who they run. All it takes is ONE Cindy Shehan/ Al Gore/ Hillary/Durbin/ moment and all is lost.
Fat, Drunk and Bobcat is no way to go through life son!
Dean Wormer- Animal House
Rumor has it that it is the whitehouses job to be dipolmatic to other nations
He was speaking to an economic forum to the business leaders of the country. It's perfectly fine to do what he did (you know, trying to build bridges between our countries culturally and economically).
It is not possible for me to disagree more, and that's cool.
I'm sorry that you disagree ... but I'm happy that I'm an American and have the freedoms that we do ... including the freedoms guaranteed to us that cause me to be right and you to be wrong on this point. And next time I travel overseas, I will freely express my opinions to people as I see fit, and nobody will yank my passport as a result. And that is very cool.
Thats because you are not in the leadership of this country... What you say dosent mean SQUAT. But what a former Vice President says means a lot to other countries
Fat, Drunk and Bobcat is no way to go through life son!
Dean Wormer- Animal House
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You know what Payton makes a point. You shouldn't speak out against our country, it's policies, or its leaders. You shouldn't say bad things to Americans or foreigners about our country.
And if you do, you should be locked up or thrown in jail, because dissent is bad, it's unamerican and there is no place in the constitution that justifies that type of speech.
What's that? The first amendment? Oh yeah, I forgot.
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Seriously though Al wasn't making things up, and he was stating his opinion about it, whats the harm in that? Just as I have the right to say Bush is an idiot, Alpha has the right to say Bush is a great man and I'm an idiot (at least politically).
You know what Payton makes a point. You shouldn't speak out against our country, it's policies, or its leaders. You shouldn't say bad things to Americans or foreigners about our country.
And if you do, you should be locked up or thrown in jail, because dissent is bad, it's unamerican and there is no place in the constitution that justifies that type of speech.
What's that? The first amendment? Oh yeah, I forgot.
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Seriously though Al wasn't making things up, and he was stating his opinion about it, whats the harm in that? Just as I have the right to say Bush is an idiot, Alpha has the right to say Bush is a great man and I'm an idiot (at least politically).
Is bashing America SOMEHOW good for America? Thats warped.
Please get this. THERE IS A HUGH DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT ANY OF US SAY AND WHAT A FORMER VICE PRESIDENT SAYS!!!!
To Answer your question the harm is it hurts America!!!
Fat, Drunk and Bobcat is no way to go through life son!
Dean Wormer- Animal House
Last edited by Paytonlives on Mon Feb 13, 2006 8:54 pm; edited 1 time in total
Rumor has it that it is the whitehouses job to be dipolmatic to other nations
He was speaking to an economic forum to the business leaders of the country. It's perfectly fine to do what he did (you know, trying to build bridges between our countries culturally and economically).
It is not possible for me to disagree more, and that's cool.
I'm sorry that you disagree ... but I'm happy that I'm an American and have the freedoms that we do ... including the freedoms guaranteed to us that cause me to be right and you to be wrong on this point. And next time I travel overseas, I will freely express my opinions to people as I see fit, and nobody will yank my passport as a result. And that is very cool.
Thats because you are not in the leadership of this country... What you say dosent mean SQUAT
What I say doesn't mean squat ... although that wasn't the point Alpha was defending. He suggested that no American citizen should be able to speak out against a President when overseas. And as far as our rights go, he is wrong.
And those same rights apply to Al Gore ... who is incidentally a citizen of the U.S. as well.
Rumor has it that it is the whitehouses job to be dipolmatic to other nations
He was speaking to an economic forum to the business leaders of the country. It's perfectly fine to do what he did (you know, trying to build bridges between our countries culturally and economically).
It is not possible for me to disagree more, and that's cool.
I'm sorry that you disagree ... but I'm happy that I'm an American and have the freedoms that we do ... including the freedoms guaranteed to us that cause me to be right and you to be wrong on this point. And next time I travel overseas, I will freely express my opinions to people as I see fit, and nobody will yank my passport as a result. And that is very cool.
Thats because you are not in the leadership of this country... What you say dosent mean SQUAT
What I say doesn't mean squat ... although that wasn't the point Alpha was defending. He suggested that no American citizen should be able to speak out against a President when overseas. And as far as our rights go, he is wrong.
And those same rights apply to Al Gore ... who is incidentally a citizen of the U.S. as well.
WRONG!!!! As a former Vice President, what he says MEANS A lot more. So he is held to more ACCOUNTABILITY
Fat, Drunk and Bobcat is no way to go through life son!
Dean Wormer- Animal House
Is bashing America SOMEHOW good for America? Thats warped.
Please get this. THERE IS A HUGH DIFFERENCE BETWEN WHAT ANY OF US SAY AND WHAT A FORMER VICE PRESIDENT SAYS!!!!
To Answer your question the harm is it hurts America!!!
What did he say that hurt America? Give a specific example, please. Not hysterical rantings, but a specific example of something he said that "bashed America" (was he promoting communism, preaching in favor of a theocracy, suggesting the revoking of the freedom of speech? Exactly what "un-American" things was the talking about?).
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You know what Payton makes a point. You shouldn't speak out against our country, it's policies, or its leaders. You shouldn't say bad things to Americans or foreigners about our country.
And if you do, you should be locked up or thrown in jail, because dissent is bad, it's unamerican and there is no place in the constitution that justifies that type of speech.
What's that? The first amendment? Oh yeah, I forgot.
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Seriously though Al wasn't making things up, and he was stating his opinion about it, whats the harm in that? Just as I have the right to say Bush is an idiot, Alpha has the right to say Bush is a great man and I'm an idiot (at least politically).
Is bashing America SOMEHOW good for America? Thats warped.
Please get this. THERE IS A HUGH DIFFERENCE BETWEN WHAT ANY OF US SAY AND WHAT A FORMER VICE PRESIDENT SAYS!!!!
To Answer your question the harm is it hurts America!!!
What did he say that hurt America? Give a specific example, please. Not hysterical rantings, but a specific example of something he said that "bashed America" (was the promoting communism, preaching in favor of a theocracy, suggesting the revoking of the freedom of speech? Exactly what "un-American" things was the talking about?).
OH I dont know mabey
"indiscriminately rounded up, often on minor charges of overstaying a visa or not having a green card in proper order, and held in conditions that were just unforgivable.” Did he go on to say what those conditions were- I doubt it. So in the Muslim world they think of a Iraq Prison... I dont believe we have one of those in America
“Unfortunately there have been terrible abuses and it’s wrong. Again did he explain- VERY DOUBTFUL
BTW Mr Gore said the Bush administration was playing into Al Qaeda’s hands by routinely blocking Saudi applications for US visas.
BAC Where did all the bombers come from???
Fat, Drunk and Bobcat is no way to go through life son!
Dean Wormer- Animal House
Rumor has it that it is the whitehouses job to be dipolmatic to other nations
He was speaking to an economic forum to the business leaders of the country. It's perfectly fine to do what he did (you know, trying to build bridges between our countries culturally and economically).
It is not possible for me to disagree more, and that's cool.
I'm sorry that you disagree ... but I'm happy that I'm an American and have the freedoms that we do ... including the freedoms guaranteed to us that cause me to be right and you to be wrong on this point. And next time I travel overseas, I will freely express my opinions to people as I see fit, and nobody will yank my passport as a result. And that is very cool.
Thats because you are not in the leadership of this country... What you say dosent mean SQUAT
What I say doesn't mean squat ... although that wasn't the point Alpha was defending. He suggested that no American citizen should be able to speak out against a President when overseas. And as far as our rights go, he is wrong.
And those same rights apply to Al Gore ... who is incidentally a citizen of the U.S. as well.
Actually the point I was making is that it is classless to talk about any president overseas. the other point I made so poorly while starting all this is this.
Does the first amendment cover speech overseas, or are these rights only here in our country? That is what I really wanted to discuss.
Seriously though Al wasn't making things up, and he was stating his opinion about it, whats the harm in that? Just as I have the right to say Bush is an idiot, Alpha has the right to say Bush is a great man and I'm an idiot (at least politically).
OH I dont know mabey
"indiscriminately rounded up, often on minor charges of overstaying a visa or not having a green card in proper order, and held in conditions that were just unforgivable.” Did he go on to say what those conditions were- I doubt it. So in the Muslim world they think of a Iraq Prison... I dont believe we have one of those in America
“Unfortunately there have been terrible abuses and it’s wrong. Again did he explain- VERY DOUBTFUL
BTW Mr Gore said the Bush administration was playing into Al Qaeda’s hands by routinely blocking Saudi applications for US visas.
BAC Where did all the bombers come from???
Yeah ... he said things that actually happened, and everybody knows they happened, including everyone in Saudi Arabia.
And since you apparently think that Saudis are not to be trusted, how do you feel about Bush's relationships with Saudi families ... like his hand-holding friend? Let's be consistent now ... should they have been allowed in the country?
None of your points reflect anything more than Gore being critical of policy decisions that he thinks were counterproductive. That is not treason, nor is it even wrong. These are the kinds of things that the administration should be saying, in fact. Gore even tried to justify what happened by explaining that the US was very emotional after 911.
OH I dont know mabey
"indiscriminately rounded up, often on minor charges of overstaying a visa or not having a green card in proper order, and held in conditions that were just unforgivable.” Did he go on to say what those conditions were- I doubt it. So in the Muslim world they think of a Iraq Prison... I dont believe we have one of those in America
“Unfortunately there have been terrible abuses and it’s wrong. Again did he explain- VERY DOUBTFUL
BTW Mr Gore said the Bush administration was playing into Al Qaeda’s hands by routinely blocking Saudi applications for US visas.
BAC Where did all the bombers come from???
Yeah ... he said things that actually happened, and everybody knows they happened, including everyone in Saudi Arabia.
And since you apparently think that Saudis are not to be trusted, how do you feel about Bush's relationships with Saudi families ... like his hand-holding friend? Let's be consistent now ... should they have been allowed in the country?
None of your points reflect anything more than Gore being critical of policy decisions that he thinks were counterproductive. That is not treason, nor is it even wrong. These are the kinds of things that the administration should be saying, in fact. Gore even tried to justify what happened by explaining that the US was very emotional after 911.
Face it, there's nothing here. Let it go.
WHERE DID THIS HAPPEN?
"indiscriminately rounded up, often on minor charges of overstaying a visa or not having a green card in proper order, and held in conditions that were just unforgivable.”
See this is the problem. What Gore thinks is unforgivable is Minor. MUSLIMS think if Gore says this they must have been tortured...
OK BAC Where did this happen?
Gore knew what he was saying would PISS Muslims off and he did it anyway, If its not Treason IT IS STUPID- But then again hes part of the dem leadership. so thats to be expected
Fat, Drunk and Bobcat is no way to go through life son!
Dean Wormer- Animal House
You know what Payton makes a point. You shouldn't speak out against our country, it's policies, or its leaders. You shouldn't say bad things to Americans or foreigners about our country.
And if you do, you should be locked up or thrown in jail, because dissent is bad, it's unamerican and there is no place in the constitution that justifies that type of speech.
What's that? The first amendment? Oh yeah, I forgot.
-------
Seriously though Al wasn't making things up, and he was stating his opinion about it, whats the harm in that? Just as I have the right to say Bush is an idiot, Alpha has the right to say Bush is a great man and I'm an idiot (at least politically).
Is bashing America SOMEHOW good for America? Thats warped.
Please get this. THERE IS A HUGH DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT ANY OF US SAY AND WHAT A FORMER VICE PRESIDENT SAYS!!!!
To Answer your question the harm is it hurts America!!!
Wow, ok
- Is bashing America good for it? Where does it say you can only say nice things about America. IT IS OUR GOD GIVEN RIGHT and our constitutional right to speak our minds. I'm sorry Payton, but although your mother told you, "If you don't have anything nice to say don't say it at all," thats not true in the real world. Al Gore has the right to say it, when he wants, whenever he wants, deal with it.
- So what if he's the former VP, a gas station attendant or a RE/MAX Agent, he is a tax paying citizen of the USA, he has the right to speak freely. Of course as an elected official he is privy to some confidential material, none of which he disclosed in his speech, so where is it written that a former elected official has different rules when speaking than an average citizen other than to not disclose confidential material he knew about while in office?
You know what Payton makes a point. You shouldn't speak out against our country, it's policies, or its leaders. You shouldn't say bad things to Americans or foreigners about our country.
And if you do, you should be locked up or thrown in jail, because dissent is bad, it's unamerican and there is no place in the constitution that justifies that type of speech.
What's that? The first amendment? Oh yeah, I forgot.
-------
Seriously though Al wasn't making things up, and he was stating his opinion about it, whats the harm in that? Just as I have the right to say Bush is an idiot, Alpha has the right to say Bush is a great man and I'm an idiot (at least politically).
Is bashing America SOMEHOW good for America? Thats warped.
Please get this. THERE IS A HUGH DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT ANY OF US SAY AND WHAT A FORMER VICE PRESIDENT SAYS!!!!
To Answer your question the harm is it hurts America!!!
Wow, ok
- Is bashing America good for it? Where does it say you can only say nice things about America. IT IS OUR GOD GIVEN RIGHT and our constitutional right to speak our minds. I'm sorry Payton, but although your mother told you, "If you don't have anything nice to say don't say it at all," thats not true in the real world. Al Gore has the right to say it, when he wants, whenever he wants, deal with it.
- So what if he's the former VP, a gas station attendant or a RE/MAX Agent, he is a tax paying citizen of the USA, he has the right to speak freely. Of course as an elected official he is privy to some confidential material, none of which he disclosed in his speech, so where is it written that a former elected official has different rules when speaking than an average citizen other than to not disclose confidential material he knew about while in office?
Dare 'ya to answer my questions.
BAC/Remax/all
it use to be a unwritten rule that the previous administration, esp the pres and vp, would not trash the current administration. you didnt see reagen and Bush 41 trashing clinton during the dark ages, esp when it was fashionable to do so. What Gore, Carter, Clinton are doing is their right yes, but then again we do have a right to call them on it
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