I think its frustration coming to boil, they firmly believe that what Bush is doing is wrong, and they won't stand for it. But you're right Hells, the practice of former officials bashing elected ones is relatively new, and mainly spearheaded by the Democrats.
You know what Payton makes a point. You shouldn't speak out against our country, it's policies, or its leaders. You shouldn't say bad things to Americans or foreigners about our country.
And if you do, you should be locked up or thrown in jail, because dissent is bad, it's unamerican and there is no place in the constitution that justifies that type of speech.
What's that? The first amendment? Oh yeah, I forgot.
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Seriously though Al wasn't making things up, and he was stating his opinion about it, whats the harm in that? Just as I have the right to say Bush is an idiot, Alpha has the right to say Bush is a great man and I'm an idiot (at least politically).
Is bashing America SOMEHOW good for America? Thats warped.
Please get this. THERE IS A HUGH DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT ANY OF US SAY AND WHAT A FORMER VICE PRESIDENT SAYS!!!!
To Answer your question the harm is it hurts America!!!
Wow, ok
- Is bashing America good for it? Where does it say you can only say nice things about America. IT IS OUR GOD GIVEN RIGHT and our constitutional right to speak our minds. I'm sorry Payton, but although your mother told you, "If you don't have anything nice to say don't say it at all," thats not true in the real world. Al Gore has the right to say it, when he wants, whenever he wants, deal with it.
- So what if he's the former VP, a gas station attendant or a RE/MAX Agent, he is a tax paying citizen of the USA, he has the right to speak freely. Of course as an elected official he is privy to some confidential material, none of which he disclosed in his speech, so where is it written that a former elected official has different rules when speaking than an average citizen other than to not disclose confidential material he knew about while in office?
Dare 'ya to answer my questions.
There is a fine line between Fredom of speech and Treason, that is what we are debating and neither of us will change the others opinion. I will say this though, 50 years ago there would be no debate on wether it was treason or not. And you know Im right.
I've been to all 57 States!!!!
I'm not a racist but everyone else is!!!!
My wife loves America!!!!
Really, I was born in America!!!!
My Pastors are just mis quoted!!!
Vote for me and watch for change!!! As in change my opinion everyday.
I think its frustration coming to boil, they firmly believe that what Bush is doing is wrong, and they won't stand for it. But you're right Hells, the practice of former officials bashing elected ones is relatively new, and mainly spearheaded by the Democrats.
and it should stop. especially when you are on forign soil totally disconnected since jan 2001 as to what is going on in the white house....
btw i liked carter a lot better when he was builiding habitat houses...says a lot of a man when he is willing to spend his time doing stuff like that which i like, i just wish he would retire
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No you're not, but thanks for answering the questions.
So if a vice president had done this in the 50's it would have been OK?
Grow up
By the way freedom of speech doesnt give Americans the right to say whatever they want. When words cause death then you are accountable. Its like running into a Arena and yelling fire! If people die you are held responsible. There is no way to find out if Gores words did that, but it leads us down a slippery slope. I think most rational people would atleast agree that his words were irresponsible and VERY poor in taste.
BTY It sure is funny how the Liberals get Puffed up on foreign soil. IE Gore, Hillary, Dixie chicks, Bill (ect).
Atleast Chevy Chase had the balls to say what he felt here in America- And Look at how the Dems Ran like they had fire on thier asses.
Guess they dont feel safe to say whats really on thier mind on American soil. Might hurt them politically or even dare I say be considered Slanderious...
I've been to all 57 States!!!!
I'm not a racist but everyone else is!!!!
My wife loves America!!!!
Really, I was born in America!!!!
My Pastors are just mis quoted!!!
Vote for me and watch for change!!! As in change my opinion everyday.
No you're not, but thanks for answering the questions.
So if a vice president had done this in the 50's it would have been OK?
Grow up
By the way freedom of speech doesnt give Americans the right to say whatever they want. When words cause death then you are accountable. Its like running into a Arena and yelling fire! If people die you are held responsible. There is no way to find out if Gores words did that, but it leads us down a slippery slope. I think most rational people would atleast agree that his words were irresponsible and VERY poor in taste.
BTY It sure is funny how the Liberals get Puffed up on foreign soil. IE Gore, Hillary, Dixie chicks, Bill (ect).
Atleast Chevy Chase had the balls to say what he felt here in America- And Look at how the Dems Ran like they had fire on thier asses.
Guess they dont feel safe to say whats really on thier mind on American soil. Might hurt them politically or even dare I say be considered Slanderious...
Chevy Chase's comment was also sorta humerous...unlike the rest
the rest are just
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No you're not, but thanks for answering the questions.
So if a vice president had done this in the 50's it would have been OK?
Grow up
By the way freedom of speech doesnt give Americans the right to say whatever they want. When words cause death then you are accountable. Its like running into a Arena and yelling fire! If people die you are held responsible. There is no way to find out if Gores words did that, but it leads us down a slippery slope. I think most rational people would atleast agree that his words were irresponsible and VERY poor in taste.
BTY It sure is funny how the Liberals get Puffed up on foreign soil. IE Gore, Hillary, Dixie chicks, Bill (ect).
Atleast Chevy Chase had the balls to say what he felt here in America- And Look at how the Dems Ran like they had fire on thier asses.
Guess they dont feel safe to say whats really on thier mind on American soil. Might hurt them politically or even dare I say be considered Slanderious...
You might want to read your history a little closer. People have been dissenting with our political leaders much worse than this for a long, long time. In fact, our founding fathers said things about each other that would shock you.
And Gore said nothing to even begin to get upset about. You guys are clearly desperate for something to bitch about. You'd think he'd issued a Fatwa for Bush's head or something. Contrary to convservative belief, we still do live in a free country, and people are allowed to disagree with the President. That was true when people were manufacturying conspiracy theories about Clinton, and its still true today.
No you're not, but thanks for answering the questions.
So if a vice president had done this in the 50's it would have been OK?
Grow up
By the way freedom of speech doesnt give Americans the right to say whatever they want. When words cause death then you are accountable. Its like running into a Arena and yelling fire! If people die you are held responsible. There is no way to find out if Gores words did that, but it leads us down a slippery slope. I think most rational people would atleast agree that his words were irresponsible and VERY poor in taste.
BTY It sure is funny how the Liberals get Puffed up on foreign soil. IE Gore, Hillary, Dixie chicks, Bill (ect).
Atleast Chevy Chase had the balls to say what he felt here in America- And Look at how the Dems Ran like they had fire on thier asses.
Guess they dont feel safe to say whats really on thier mind on American soil. Might hurt them politically or even dare I say be considered Slanderious...
You might want to read your history a little closer. People have been dissenting with our political leaders much worse than this for a long, long time. In fact, our founding fathers said things about each other that would shock you.
And Gore said nothing to even begin to get upset about. You guys are clearly desperate for something to bitch about. You'd think he'd issued a Fatwa for Bush's head or something. Contrary to convservative belief, we still do live in a free country, and people are allowed to disagree with the President. That was true when people were manufacturying conspiracy theories about Clinton, and its still true today.
actually you might want to read a bit closer BAC...
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Actually, Hells, I am quite sure I have it covered. Clearly, if you guys aren't aware of what happened in history, and I am, the problem isn't that I have too little knowledge on the subject. Trying to prove a negative via a lack of knowledge only works on AM radio.
Actually, Hells, I am quite sure I have it covered. Clearly, if you guys aren't aware of what happened in history, and I am, the problem isn't that I have too little knowledge on the subject. Trying to prove a negative via a lack of knowledge only works on AM radio.
I know....trust me i know my history
my issue is that it was not until recently that this sorta activity happened amongst former elected leaders. yes they do have the right to say just about anything they wish...this is america of course, however, there was a unwritten rule amongst elected presidents that they would not cririsize the next guys job.
I think all we are saying is that
1) We wish gore, and everyone else who says this kind of stuff on a forign soil *btw an oil executive basically said that "mid east oil is good, what bush said about finding another energy source is bad*, kinda paraphrasing it a bit, i was waiting for it to make it to either here or BN but appearantly it didnt.
2) that bush is god
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Hells: Now you're morphing the conversation after-the-fact. I agree that tradition has held that former PRESIDENTS not speak out against the subsequent leaders (with the notable exception of Teddy Roosevelt, who actually switched parties and ran against his successor).
However, Gore is not a former President. He is merely a former elected official, and one who may well run for office again (I hope not, but it's possible). And, as I am sure you are well aware, former elected officials, especially those who are still in the political arena, have been critical of sitting Presidents since the beginning of this country (and when I say "critical," I mean so far as being very hostile and nasty, not merely disagreeing with administration policy like Gore did in his speech). This definitely includes the 1950s (unless we just ignore all of the grief that Truman got from, well, everbody, during that time), so Payton's point has been effectively defeated, and your rebuke of my counterpoint has been deciphered and found to be speaking to something that I wasn't even talking about.
I don't understand either point 1 or point 2 that you were making, so I won't comment on them.
Hells: Now you're morphing the conversation after-the-fact. I agree that tradition has held that former PRESIDENTS not speak out against the subsequent leaders (with the notable exception of Teddy Roosevelt, who actually switched parties and ran against his successor).
However, Gore is not a former President. He is merely a former elected official, and one who may well run for office again (I hope not, but it's possible). And, as I am sure you are well aware, former elected officials, especially those who are still in the political arena, have been critical of sitting Presidents since the beginning of this country (and when I say "critical," I mean so far as being very hostile and nasty, not merely disagreeing with administration policy like Gore did in his speech). This definitely includes the 1950s (unless we just ignore all of the grief that Truman got from, well, everbody, during that time), so Payton's point has been effectively defeated, and your rebuke of my counterpoint has been deciphered and found to be speaking to something that I wasn't even talking about.
I don't understand either point 1 or point 2 that you were making, so I won't comment on them.
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