Well BAC, I guess what I should have said is it seems that many on the left seem to show more hostility to conservative politicians, and maybe that was the wrong thing to say and I appologize for that. I re read my post and infact I did say that so again I am sorry for that. But you also seemed to make a judgement about my circle of friends when you know nothing about me or the people I associate with."(inside the U.S., outside of your core group of friends) think, as evidenced by your comments. " I guess I am not the only making statements that really should not be made.
I brought up my time in the Persian Gulf because it gave me an insight into the thinking and customs of some of the people there. I have had a Muslim, on the street in Abu Dhabi tell me that I should be converted by force, if necessary to Islam. I have also been told they don't believe in forced conversians, by another Muslim I got to talk to, to contrast the first. I was also in a book store in Dubai were all the pictures of the Holocaust in a book were scribbled out. When I told the clerk, he said, "We don't want people to symapathise with the Jews".
You keep saying things about people in the U.S. and that is not what I am getting at, it is the opinions of many OUTSIDE the U.S. that I got to hear. I had a chance to get to talk people , even over dinner in thier homes, and I think that that helped me to realize some of the thinking of people over there. As far as what people in the U.S. think that is all around us here in the U.S., correct me if I am wrong.
The point I would really like to make is that in this uncertain time we need people to be less Democrats and Republicans and more Americans. And I think, again just my opinion, there are many on the the Left who wouldn't mind seeing Bush failures in the area of national security to gain back political power, even at the expense of American lives. That is just the way I see it.
The point I would really like to make is that in this uncertain time we need people to be less Democrats and Republicans and more Americans.
Cool. I agree with this 100%.
Echo my opinions as well, totally agree with that.
Alpha, hate is a strong word that I don't throw around much, but if there is one thing I do hate it is those who plot against us and attack us. Especially those who attack innocent civilians as Bin Laden & co. did on 9/11.
I wouldn't say I hate Bush, I dislike him and approve of very little of what he does.
I have a few minutes, so I can add a few more comments.
Navy: The "inside the U.S., outside of your core group of friends" comment was made because you lumped me in with the group of people whom you were claiming hated Bush more than we hated terrorists. From that, it led me to believe that you were relying upon a very small circle of input for your views, as clearly I knew that what you were saying was false (as again, I know my own feelings on the topic quite well). So yes, I was being hostile towards you and dismissing your viewpoint, but only because what you had said about me was so outrageous and so completely wrong.
On the larger "straw man" discussion that preceded the personal dicussion that we've been locked in on, I still stand strongly by that statement. I've heard that argument many times on many conservative media outlets, and it bugs me every time. When I hear individuals repeat it, I can't help but assume that it is influenced by the talking points repeated ad naseum by the conservative media, especially if those inviduals have never heard anyone express those views themselves. If you have actually spoken with people who have expressed those views, then I wholeheartedly agree that the specific person you talked to has a warped set of priorities.
The typicial straw man arguments I hear are part of the larger bit of propoganda that has been very effective for some time for the right now that says that anyone who disagrees with Bush is against Amercia, is unpatriotic, etc. The fact is, most of this country disapproves of Bush's job performance, yet I am quite sure that virtually everybody is well aware of the threat of terrorism and is otherwise a good American. They simply don't think Bush is doing a good job and thinks that he oftentimes makes bad decisions or has an unwise philosophy.
I think there may well be a very, very, very small group of people so delusional that they really do hate Bush more than they dislike the terrorists. However, I am positive that it is a very small and radical group of people. If you want to make that point, you must be careful not to lump in all liberals, all Democrats, and certainly not me or anyone I know into that pot. When you do, you are being more partisan than American, and that's what we all agree should be avoided.
And again, most everyone I know around here (and many in Montana as well) dislikes Bush, but almost everyone I know around here is very bright and incredibly knowledgable about the world's politics (arguably much more so than any other place I have ever spent time). So although your assertion may be true in very specific situations, it is certainly not true across any large, generic subset of Americans.
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