Why don't we lease the ports to the arabs instead of just give them up? Get the costs back over time but don't give up these ports that could become useful in the future again.
Right now these ports are ran by a British company if I am not mistaken. So since you lefties are always bitching about how much money we are spending, why not save some here?
Or are you just trying to make this political and profile the all of the muslims/arabs?
Re/Max must be on board since we can take the money we save and waste it on New Orleans.
Earlier-per alpha:Good question Blaster. I have to side with some of the libs on this one.
_________________ Which is it alpha? good idea or not? I don't think it's a good idea to further jeapordize our national security even if it helps economically.
Right now these ports are ran by a British company if I am not mistaken. So since you lefties are always bitching about how much money we are spending, why not save some here?
Or are you just trying to make this political and profile the all of the muslims/arabs?
Re/Max must be on board since we can take the money we save and waste it on New Orleans.
Earlier-per alpha:Good question Blaster. I have to side with some of the libs on this one.
_________________ Which is it alpha? good idea or not? I don't think it's a good idea to further jeapordize our national security even if it helps economically.
If it were up to me, I would put Halliburton in charge, they get stuff done, and I am sure they could manage to do a good job.
I wouldn't have a foreign country run anything as vital as our ports. (air or sea) I was even a little disturbed by the fact when reading about the British running them now. Even though they are an ally this isn't smart IMO.
My second post was sarcasm GrizWhiz, just playing with Re/max.
WAIT... what's this I smell.... why it smells like a little discrimination coming from some of our liberal friends....so much for tolerance.
What do you mean? (serious question...I'm not sure what you are driving at).
I would guess he is hinting at the fact that you are pigeon holeing all arabs as bad people, and we thought you were better than that.
If the poster he is referring to is Badnewsbear-he says he is a conservative. Also, I'm not sure he is stating all Arabs are bad. I'd like to hear from Grizbacker on this. I think everybody on this board may finally agree on something and that is selling these ports to the UAE is nuts!
Gwhiz,
I have to say, I am also against this deal. The timing seems a bit odd, the risks outweigh the benefits in my opinion. It seems like this would be another easy way for terrorists to infiltrate an area where who knows what could happen as a result. Lord knows we don't know what is going on at ports as it is. Why put another potential fox on charge of the henhouse?
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It has finally given the Dems a chance to be hawks and on the right of Bush on this one topic...Show the public that they understand that there is an enemy.
alright... alright... here's a dirty little secret. But don't tell anybody:
Truth is... probably most conservatives... and that's true conservatives... aren't huge fans of Bush. But what's really funny is... they sure like Bush better than anybody the dems have been putting forth of late (i.e. Gore or Kerry... and probably Hillary too). Gosh... if you dem's just put up a reasonable candidate who even was close to moderate in their opinion, you'd probably finally win the White House and maybe even more.....
Truth is... just where are the moderate voices in the democratic party?
There are many moderate voices in the democratic party. McCain, Hegel, Colin Powell, Lindsey Graham...Oh wait.
I know the far right is in love with this theory, but being too liberal isn't what hurt Kerry and Gore. The far right's view of moderate is skewed, hence the view that Hillary is not a moderate. They might view Bush as a moderate as well which of course would be wrong, but that's another story.
i hope that the dems are thinking that. and while they are at it why dont the come out against spying against al-queda again. i wont loose any sleep
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But it wouldn't take much to turn swing voters a little to the left. The last two elections were close.
wrong. The last two elections were close despite the fact that the media has been against republican presidental candidates/presidents since as far as i remember. Remember the fake 60 minutes story, remember the plenty of hatchet jobs against president bush that was on 60 min and all, plenty of the mindless books that couldnt sell at all, the fact that plame gate came into existance BEFORE THE 2004 ELECTION!!!
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alright... alright... here's a dirty little secret. But don't tell anybody:
Truth is... probably most conservatives... and that's true conservatives... aren't huge fans of Bush. But what's really funny is... they sure like Bush better than anybody the dems have been putting forth of late (i.e. Gore or Kerry... and probably Hillary too). Gosh... if you dem's just put up a reasonable candidate who even was close to moderate in their opinion, you'd probably finally win the White House and maybe even more.....
Truth is... just where are the moderate voices in the democratic party?
There are many moderate voices in the democratic party. McCain, Hegel, Colin Powell, Lindsey Graham...Oh wait.
I know the far right is in love with this theory, but being too liberal isn't what hurt Kerry and Gore. The far right's view of moderate is skewed, hence the view that Hillary is not a moderate. They might view Bush as a moderate as well which of course would be wrong, but that's another story.
i hope that the dems are thinking that. and while they are at it why dont the come out against spying against al-queda again. i wont loose any sleep
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But it wouldn't take much to turn swing voters a little to the left. The last two elections were close.
wrong. The last two elections were close despite the fact that the media has been against republican presidental candidates/presidents since as far as i remember. Remember the fake 60 minutes story, remember the plenty of hatchet jobs against president bush that was on 60 min and all, plenty of the mindless books that couldnt sell at all, the fact that plame gate came into existance BEFORE THE 2004 ELECTION!!!
Don't you know it doesn't count if the left wingers get caught, just ask Sir Hillary and Teddy
alright... alright... here's a dirty little secret. But don't tell anybody:
Truth is... probably most conservatives... and that's true conservatives... aren't huge fans of Bush. But what's really funny is... they sure like Bush better than anybody the dems have been putting forth of late (i.e. Gore or Kerry... and probably Hillary too). Gosh... if you dem's just put up a reasonable candidate who even was close to moderate in their opinion, you'd probably finally win the White House and maybe even more.....
Truth is... just where are the moderate voices in the democratic party?
There are many moderate voices in the democratic party. McCain, Hegel, Colin Powell, Lindsey Graham...Oh wait.
I know the far right is in love with this theory, but being too liberal isn't what hurt Kerry and Gore. The far right's view of moderate is skewed, hence the view that Hillary is not a moderate. They might view Bush as a moderate as well which of course would be wrong, but that's another story.
i hope that the dems are thinking that. and while they are at it why dont the come out against spying against al-queda again. i wont loose any sleep
Quote:
But it wouldn't take much to turn swing voters a little to the left. The last two elections were close.
wrong. The last two elections were close despite the fact that the media has been against republican presidental candidates/presidents since as far as i remember. Remember the fake 60 minutes story, remember the plenty of hatchet jobs against president bush that was on 60 min and all, plenty of the mindless books that couldnt sell at all, the fact that plame gate came into existance BEFORE THE 2004 ELECTION!!!
Don't you know it doesn't count if the left wingers get caught, just ask Sir Hillary and Teddy
i will take your word for it
if i asked sir hillary she will kill me with her large man like hands...
and i am NOT going to get into a car driven by the swimmer *kennedy*
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Why don't we lease the ports to the arabs instead of just give them up? Get the costs back over time but don't give up these ports that could become useful in the future again.
We are leasing the ports to the UAE. They will also invest in upgrading the security at our ports saving us taxpayers money.
I posted in another thread that I have changed my mind about this whole thing and I think it may be a decent idea. They are already being run by a foreign country right now.
Why don't we lease the ports to the arabs instead of just give them up? Get the costs back over time but don't give up these ports that could become useful in the future again.
We are leasing the ports to the UAE. They will also invest in upgrading the security at our ports saving us taxpayers money.
I posted in another thread that I have changed my mind about this whole thing and I think it may be a decent idea. They are already being run by a foreign country right now.
just that it wont be ran by the correct forign country...
its amazing how this can actually work
forign company "runs our ports"
forign country gets more dollars from us that are not a handout
lives improve....
visious circle i tell ya
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Progressives look at reality through the lens of Liberalism
Why don't we lease the ports to the arabs instead of just give them up? Get the costs back over time but don't give up these ports that could become useful in the future again.
We are leasing the ports to the UAE. They will also invest in upgrading the security at our ports saving us taxpayers money.
I posted in another thread that I have changed my mind about this whole thing and I think it may be a decent idea. They are already being run by a foreign country right now.
just that it wont be ran by the correct forign country...
its amazing how this can actually work
forign company "runs our ports"
forign country gets more dollars from us that are not a handout
lives improve....
visious circle i tell ya
I'm not sure UAE is really hurting for our money ... seeing that they are already wealthy enough to buy our ports due to all of the cash we have sent them for oil. There are many cases where foreign trade does enhance the lives of the locals and improve the standard of living in a country, but UAE is already a very rich country (well, their government is, anyway, and that's who will be benefiting from this as well).
Two points that seemed to be getting glossed over.
1) The US Coast Guard has been and will continue to be in charge of security at all US ports.
2) The people "on the ground" that staff the ports in question will remain the same.
Having said that, the issue will continue to fester for other reasons, political partisanship for one and the perceived threat from them damn foreigners (CYA time for pols on both sides of the aisle), to name two.
I'd rather be fishing.
Read: "Ripping lips" for u PETAns
Semper ubi sub ubi, for the Romans out there.
I just heard a rumor on left wing radion that this could be a Karl Rove ploy allowing republican congressman up for re-election to look good by appearing independent and standing up to Bush by overriding a veto.
If that we're even remotely true, then wow - genius.
I just heard a rumor on left wing radion that this could be a Karl Rove ploy allowing republican congressman up for re-election to look good by appearing independent and standing up to Bush by overriding a veto.
If that we're even remotely true, then wow - genius.
WOW... What's next? "Bush orchaestrated 9/11 for his own political gain?" (and please note that Kalm used the word "genius" in relationship to the Bush administration.... Hmmmmm)
I think you are on to something there Kalm. Mid term election year. The way the story broke, " the facts about the story, US PORTS BEING SOLD TO TERRORIST SUPPORTING ARAB STATEmore interesting pertinent facts. " Followed by the expected kneejerk reaction by the US electorate. If the reaction on Egriz even remotely reflects the public perception, any ding-a-ling in Congress up for re-election would have to jump up and down. Very Machiavellian.
I'd rather be fishing.
Read: "Ripping lips" for u PETAns
Semper ubi sub ubi, for the Romans out there.
I think you are on to something there Kalm. Mid term election year. The way the story broke, " the facts about the story, US PORTS BEING SOLD TO TERRORIST SUPPORTING ARAB STATEmore interesting pertinent facts. " Followed by the expected kneejerk reaction by the US electorate. If the reaction on Egriz even remotely reflects the public perception, any ding-a-ling in Congress up for re-election would have to jump up and down. Very Machiavellian.
ursus,
You seem surprised by the reaction. Don't you think it is somewhat predictable given election year, terrorist awareness, etal?
I just heard a rumor on left wing radion that this could be a Karl Rove ploy allowing republican congressman up for re-election to look good by appearing independent and standing up to Bush by overriding a veto.
If that we're even remotely true, then wow - genius.
Hope so. Why is it so hard to believe, Rove is a genius and is so far ahead of the DNC.
This story would have broke a week earlier, but the main stream (liberal) media was too busy with real news stories like a non news worthy hunting incident in Texas. Thanks for keeping us so informed.
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