Post subject: Finally, we all agree -- Bush is friggin nuts.
GeorgeAllen Full time eGrizzer
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We all agree Bush is certifiably nuts for insisting on selling our ports to the Arab nation that some of the 9-11 hijackers came from. How viciously ironic that New York is one of the ports that Bush is selling to the terrorist nation -- just a stone's throw from the vacant lots that held the Twin Towers. But still, it's not as if his judgment here is as serious, for heaven sake, as lying about a blowjob from an intern. Let's keep things in perspective.
I am sooooooooooooo pissed off right now. The republicans in the house and senate had better get off their ass on this and over ride this veto, or I am done with the republican party.
CLOSE THE DAMB BORDERS AND DON"T SELL OUR SECURITY TO OTHER COUNTRIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't ever again want to hear how Bush is trying to protect us.
Homeland security don't like this!
89% of American people don't want this.
Congress don't want this!
And Bush just said I don't care Jack what any of you think!
Today Bush has become a threat to Americas safety!!!!!!!!!!!!
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"The enemy is anybody who's going to get you killed, no matter which side he's on."
- Joseph Heller
Don't you think you guys are over reacting just a little bit? Where was the outrage when these ports were leased by the current British company?
Say what you want about them being an ally, but they are still a foreign country.
Bold position ... and I actually kind of agree with you. But politically, this is an impossible one for Bush to navigate. Either Bush looks like a class A dick to the few allies we have in the Muslim world, or he plays into our fears of Muslims in America. Not a fun decision.
He also plays into the hands of every Michael Moore wannabe in the country by standing by the UAE.
But the thing I admire most about Bush is that he doesn't waiver when it comes to making tough decisions. This one is a lose lose for him and I wouldn't want to do it.
But the thing I admire most about Bush is that he doesn't waiver when it comes to making tough decisions. This one is a lose lose for him and I wouldn't want to do it.
Well, I'm not going to give him credit for failing to learn from his mistakes and being too stubborn to correct them in light of better information/some knowledge ... except for Harriet Miers ... but I agree that this one is a lose-lose situation for him.
Bush does learn from his mistakes, that is why he deals with the media the way he does. Also what is a mistake to some may indeed be the right path to take farther down the road.
Nice posts though BAC, even though we don't agree on much I enjoy your perspective.
first you make the asumption that most people agree that it's okay for the brits to control our ports. From people I have talked to and speaking for myself, I was not aware our other ports had been sold to the Brits. until this all hit the fan. I now hear also China. I don't want anyone but the U.S. in charge of our Ports.
Also what about the fact that the head of homeland security is not at all in favor of this? That's a Bush man saying that, can't say he is a lib, and he was hired to protect us. I guess no one gives jack what he says.
Assuming that this is just about $$ our greed for cheap labor is going to be our down fall. I am finding out that many of our Military bases are being protected by other countries. I do not think that wise, no mater who it is.
But I guess if it's all about saving a buck then next we will be having our borders protected by other countries. Way pay Americans when we can get some people from India or some where to do it for half the price. I am sure they will do just as good at protecting us as our fellow Americans will.
If it's about money then let's just put it out for the best bid and let the free market decide. Oh yea I forgot this was a secret deal and U.S. companies are now complaining they are now not even being allowed to make offers on these deals.
Well I sure as hell hope all these forigen countries love us because this is not just the ports, it is a wholesale selling of all american security.
Also if it has to be some other country, I would rather the Brits than a country that was linked to 911 and helping Iran and North Korea get nukes, and many in UAE say they want to kill all of us. I have not heard many Brits saying thay want to destroy the U.S.
Oh well not a thing we can do about it but come here and complain, they will do what they want no matter what we say.
As far as a lose-lose deal. He brought this on himself by not addressing the country about this. Come on, selling the ports to a Arab nation? Bush new if this got out most americans would be up in arms. That's why they tried to sneek it by. That's his call, but it would not have been near as bad if he had done some media control on this and explained something this big. People are pissed because of his attitude of I don't care what americans think, I will do what I want.
If Bush would say, " I understand the concern of the american people on this, so I am going to delay it for 30 days, and take some time to explain why it is the right thing to do for the security of our country."
You would see all the republican congress and senate fall in behind him. It's his high and mighty attitude showing to the americans that makes it a lose-lose for him.
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I'm not sure if I have much of the info exactly correct, but: The British company was acquired by the Arab company in a merger/buyout. The Port Authority runs the ports but the US is still the active security. The Customs and Border Protection (CBP) is still checking the containers and cargo but only realistically checks about 6% of all containerized cargo. The Arab country will be unloading ships. This has already occured on the West coast in Longbeach and a couple of other ports that the Chinese have acquired. Both ends of the Panama Canal are under Chinese control, thanks to JC turning the former US territory of the Canal Zone, back to Panama. Maybe we should outsource the prenit.... Some guy in India could do the job cheaper. This is a great political forum to voice opinions, and when I post here, I am coming from a standpoint that these politicians, mostly republicans, would sell their own mother if they thought they would get a profit from it. Yes, generalization, but if there is a buck to be made at the expense of the environment, the working people, the planet, the animals etc, then the attitude is exploit it!! This country and form of government is still the very best there is, but still leaves a whole lot to be desired.
Why does no one seem to understand that the United Arab Emirates is not a terrorist state.. and it's actually the richest country in the world, if memory serves correct. I did some research a few years ago and it turns out that they don't really let anyone into the country because they have no taxes.. so they keep their population managed. This is if memory serves correct. And on top of this, the UAE is in Africa, and not really anywhere near the Middle East.. so I don't see where all the hate is coming from.
Why does no one seem to understand that the United Arab Emirates is not a terrorist state.. and it's actually the richest country in the world, if memory serves correct. I did some research a few years ago and it turns out that they don't really let anyone into the country because they have no taxes.. so they keep their population managed. This is if memory serves correct. And on top of this, the UAE is in Africa, and not really anywhere near the Middle East.. so I don't see where all the hate is coming from.
I think you might want to check the map again.... not that I think merely being in the Middle East is reason to hate a country. Although when you say that the UAE is not a terrorist country, they were a pivotal country in the 911 attack, so if nothing else, they are more of a terrorist country than Iraq ... and we justified invading Iraq. I think that is what people are pointing to in their objections over this deal.
And on top of this, the UAE is in Africa, and not really anywhere near the Middle East.. so I don't see where all the hate is coming from.
Not really.
The United Arab Emirates, in the eastern part of the Arabian Peninsula, extends along part of the Gulf of Oman and the southern coast of the Persian Gulf. The nation is the size of Maine. Its neighbors are Saudi Arabia to the west and south, Qatar to the north, and Oman to the east. Most of the land is barren and sandy.
Government
Federation formed in 1971 by seven emirates known as the Trucial States—Abu Dhabi (the largest), Dubai, Sharjah, Ajman, Fujairah, Ras al-Khaimah, and Umm al-Qaiwain. In addition to a federal president and prime minister, each emirate has a separate ruler who oversees the local etc., etc.
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Why does no one seem to understand that the United Arab Emirates is not a terrorist state.. .
well that's not what the head of homeland security says. Are the people at homeland security lying? Was not EAU found to be the state that launderd money for the 911 attack? That's what homeland security says.
It's not racist, and that damage control won't work because we don't want any other country in charge of our ports.
Now you can say at this time EAU seems to be on our side.
GWs dad Bush1 sold chemical weapons to Iraq, well that worked out well didn't it.
That's not a slam on Bush1, at the time Iran was a bigger threat and Saddam was on our side against Iran, Hidn site is 20/20 right.
I really don't want to look back with hind site on this after a nuke gets sneaked through a port. And EAU would be in charge of security on their ports. We can debate this and argue, but the facts have not been made clear that's why they better slow down till they can tell us for sure what's the truth.
I talked with 10 republicans offices (Senate and Represntatives) today they all said they want Bush to put a hold on this so they can have their concerns addressed. A couple said they did not think bush would listen. Senator Graham said he will draft a bill to over ride a veto and delay this deal so concerns can be addressed. Hats off to Graham.
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One more time.... CBP is still in charge of the security at these ports... that being the former USCS and INS... I am a former INS Immigration Inspector and cross trained USCS officer. Yep, sucking at the public trough... The ports still have Inspectors doing the "dirty work"/security, but the cargo/containers are only searched in about 6% of the total... Having a foreign country like UAE in charge, to me is interesting, to say the least. Why don't we just sign a contract putting North Korea in charge of our Dept of Energy sites in Nevada?? This administration is contracting gov't services out like no other in the history of the US... and even though I am a gov't employee, many of these are NOT in the public interest. But just remember.... we're getting what we voted for. And it's not a take it or leave it situation.
Why does no one seem to understand that the United Arab Emirates is not a terrorist state.. and it's actually the richest country in the world, if memory serves correct. I did some research a few years ago and it turns out that they don't really let anyone into the country because they have no taxes.. so they keep their population managed. This is if memory serves correct. And on top of this, the UAE is in Africa, and not really anywhere near the Middle East.. so I don't see where all the hate is coming from.
Good post Titleist. They are most definitely not a terrorist state, and they have proven this before and after 9-11.
They are "LEASING" the ports not buying them. The Port Authority and the coast guard will still control the security of the ports, last time I checked those are american owned and operated.
Many of you think this is a secret deal and that it just happened overnight and you couldn't be more wrong. The first story I can find online broke about 9 days before the Cheney quail hunting incident. You can blame nobody but the media for keeping this stoy on the back burner while their agenda rang true and the lynch mob attacked the administration. Real news vital to this country was set aside for political reasons and we are all worse off becasue of it.
I also heard that 1 out of every 3 people that live in the UAE are millionaires. They are definitely the richest country in the world per capita.
Why does no one seem to understand that the United Arab Emirates is not a terrorist state.. and it's actually the richest country in the world, if memory serves correct. I did some research a few years ago and it turns out that they don't really let anyone into the country because they have no taxes.. so they keep their population managed. This is if memory serves correct. And on top of this, the UAE is in Africa, and not really anywhere near the Middle East.. so I don't see where all the hate is coming from.
Good post Titleist. They are most definitely not a terrorist state, and they have proven this before and after 9-11.
They are "LEASING" the ports not buying them. The Port Authority and the coast guard will still control the security of the ports, last time I checked those are american owned and operated.
Many of you think this is a secret deal and that it just happened overnight and you couldn't be more wrong. The first story I can find online broke about 9 days before the Cheney quail hunting incident. You can blame nobody but the media for keeping this stoy on the back burner while their agenda rang true and the lynch mob attacked the administration. Real news vital to this country was set aside for political reasons and we are all worse off becasue of it.
I also heard that 1 out of every 3 people that live in the UAE are millionaires. They are definitely the richest country in the world per capita.
Ummm, yeah. Apparently Bush didn't know about it, either.
And you've really got to get over the whole conspiracy theory media bashing over the V.P. making the news for shooting a guy in the face. The assertion that it wasn't newsworthy is absurd.
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