Actually the point should be that the first post was inaccurate. If it had been 4 black guys then the truth is the truth. But since it was grossly inaccurate then it is racist because the underlying assumption was that black people were likely to have done such a thing.

People should actually care whether they post BS of any kind. Of course given the anonymous nature of this forum, cr@p is going to get posted and everyone needs to discount anything they read here until it is otherwise validated. IMO it isn't a real rational practice to fight racism with racism so I disagree with several of the responses to the original post too.

Grisly Fan wrote:Actually the point should be that the first post was inaccurate. If it had been 4 black guys then the truth is the truth. But since it was grossly inaccurate then it is racist because the underlying assumption was that black people were likely to have done such a thing.

People should actually care whether they post BS of any kind. Of course given the anonymous nature of this forum, cr@p is going to get posted and everyone needs to discount anything they read here until it is otherwise validated. IMO it isn't a real rational practice to fight racism with racism so I disagree with several of the responses to the original post too.

great point.

and i'm still waiting for Dissin to show me where shahan made racist remarks. cuz if he did i missed them

If i'm a racist its news to me. I grew up in a school with 60% of the students being Native American, and played on a college football team that was 70% African American. Shoot, one of my best friends from that team was a black man, even took me home to meet his mother. He, I might add is in the draft tomorrow. So dissin, you better go back and read the post again cause all I said was the fight went through the cage into the kitchen. And I was answering the question of where the sink came into the situation.

I guess all that sounds racist though. It was same old racist me that was out in front of the bar after the fight keeping the cops off of the guys that I am supposedly racist against, that were standing around. Giving the police my word, and my name that they wouldnt cause trouble.

Grisly Fan wrote:Actually the point should be that the first post was inaccurate. If it had been 4 black guys then the truth is the truth. But since it was grossly inaccurate then it is racist because the underlying assumption was that black people were likely to have done such a thing.

People should actually care whether they post BS of any kind. Of course given the anonymous nature of this forum, cr@p is going to get posted and everyone needs to discount anything they read here until it is otherwise validated. IMO it isn't a real rational practice to fight racism with racism so I disagree with several of the responses to the original post too.

Personally I think ALL racism is wrong- and thats the point I'm trying to make.

Dissin the Man wrote:You have a problem with black people? I read this board from time to time and the only time things of this nature are brought up is when black student athletes are involved. As a former black student athlete I can say this is the case on almost every campus I have been to and am damn tired of it. You are innocent until proven guilty and why stories like this even get posted until all the facts are known I'll never know. If I had to guess, it would be to make the black man look bad.

Out.

Oh quit your whining. It doesn't matter if the attackers were black, white, brown or green. Put the race card back into your wallet. Would you be pissing and moaning if they were identified as "Butte kids?" Whatever their color, they were cheap-a$$ punks for continuing to beat a guy who was unconscious on the ground.

grizfaninkalamazoo wrote:
Fights happen outside of bars. Fights happen in bars. Alcohol makes a person do things they normally would not do. Race should not be a factor. If it really did happen it should be that it was players and not black players.

Agreed. Well said. Can I go home now?

grizstudent wrote:I for one have never seen a grizzly soccer player out, or really even a Lady Griz out. ??
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Well you might need to leave AMVETS to see them... I have personally been "out" with several ladygriz players over the last 7 or 8 years!

I'm curious if someone had said "4 black guys helped resolve the situation" or something along those lines... is that racist? Does racism mean identifying people as black? Because if so, I'm as racist as anyone in the country.

Dissin the man is the exact reason I get nervous even being around African Americans - I'm so scared I will accidentally say or do something they deem racist without even knowing it. Of course I think stereotypes and racism are two different things. Racism, in my opinion, is disliking/hating/having a bias against different "races" for whatever reasons. Stereotypes is just saying like "all white people like mayo."

This world is now so PC I'm afraid to talk to anyone who isn't white. If I try and relate to them, I'm racist. If I try and be super nice to the, I'm racist. I simply don't know what to do.

GrizFan10 wrote:As some have said, what was the point of saying that 4 black guys went after McGillis? Whether that comment was racist or not, I can see why some like Dissin called the poster on it. I can also see how someone could call some of you defenders on it. I tend to agree that there is probably an element of prejudice in the comment, or at least that the poster was trying to make a point or stir up something.

In point of fact, the story of the original poster is apparently not even accurate. After an initial confrontation between McGillis and a football player, McGillis apparently left the bar and came back later with 4 or 5 buddies. This group then surrounded a football player (not the one originally involved with McGillis). This is when the brawl started, and McGillis was dropped. Assuming these facts are basically accurate, I guess Dissin could say that 4 or 5 crackers surrounded one brother, and started a brawl. Seems a bit unfair that 4 or 5 guys would surround one and start giving his grief. One of the white guys threw the sink at Hilliard.

While it's unfortunate that this occurred, and probably everyone involved shares some degree of blame, it seems a bit pointless to try to point fingers or assess blame. Neither side is going to agree on the facts, and probably neither side even knows all of what happened. I too have heard that this will probably end okay for all involved, and hope it does.

thanks for the info. sounds like poor choices made by several folks....especially going back aftter the initial incident.

So if McGillis supposebly went back to the bar with reinforcements then where were they when he was fighting four football players. It seems obvious that if that was the case than the lone football player would be in the position McGillis is in.

to quote greenie"In point of fact, the story of the original poster is apparently not even accurate. After an initial confrontation between McGillis and a football player, McGillis apparently left the bar and came back later with 4 or 5 buddies. This group then surrounded a football player (not the one originally involved with McGillis). This is when the brawl started, and McGillis was dropped. Assuming these facts are basically accurate"

in point of fact, greenie's post offers no substanstive proof this way or that, so i hope nobody gets confused by his pompous little chubby attitude and believes he clearly knows anything more about the situation that anybody else. pompousity does not beget truth.

also, in point of fact, "color" is a useful means of differentiating one human being from another. it is a descriptive tool one can use to begin to accurately describe someone. for instance, when i go to china, do you think the kids i work with describe me as "a tall guy with big feet" or "a muscle bound stud"? nope, they describe me as "the talll white guy", which pretty much is what i am, and makes me easily distinguishable. wherein lies the racism? to take it further, if i'm looking for my wife at a shop or something where we've gone our seperate ways, i'll ask the people working there if the've seen a chinese-looking girl in the store.... is that racism? or is it just useful descriptive language, to help narrow down for people exactly who it is i'm looking for.....

cue up the tailboner lecture on whether or not i'm being "scientific".... and the greenie rant defending drunken dumb rich duke lacrosse players, who might be people to suck up to in the future. gotta love the defenders of the poor, helpless rich.

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KryscoisGod wrote:So if McGillis supposebly went back to the bar with reinforcements then where were they when he was fighting four football players. It seems obvious that if that was the case than the lone football player would be in the position McGillis is in.

The fight ended up involving up to a dozen combatants including UM football players, the OSU player and the guys he brought back to the bar and a few cheapshot artists.

McGillis, who is a football player too, DID return with several companions. He and his group DID corner one of the FB players.

The fight started as a one on one but someone took a cheapshot and hit the FB player from the side after he dropped McGillis.

The cheapshot got everybody else involved in the fight.

ALPHAGRIZ1 wrote:Agreed, the thugs should go back to Texas and the like if they are going to be like that.

Imagine the race card that would get pulled if McGillis would have put the boots to one of the athletes! We would take Duke right off the front page.

It is clear that McGillis was the aggressor. He returned with several men. Surely, if the knockout had not altered his plans, he may have "put the boots to one of the athletes!"

This hasn't taken Duke off the front page.

Many on this board were quick to believe that the players "jumped" the "former Hellgate H.S./OSU star" but as the truth comes out that an underage, possibly intoxicated, jock made an ass of himself and returned to the bar (with reinforcements) with the intent to assault one of the players. Few regard the assaulted player as the victim and none regard the players who came to his defense as heroes.

This does show a double standard.

..so can we all agree that 9 pages is enough space for this "incident"?

Let's get back to the real e-Griz board issues such as:
... is there a God?
... do "manly" men wear kilts?
... who is this Brian Fantana guy?
... is Burns a crook?
... did Bush lie about WMD?
... what gender is that person in Alpha's avatar?

ponezone wrote:..so can we all agree that 9 pages is enough space for this "incident"?

Let's get back to the real e-Griz board issues such as:
... is there a God?
... do "manly" men wear kilts?
... who is this Brian Fantana guy?
... is Burns a crook?
... did Bush lie about WMD?
... what gender is that person in Alpha's avatar?

Budda
They do in my family
the orange Fantana girl
As big as they come
Yes what ever it took to advance his agenda
More important what gender is swilly

OK there back on with the agrument

CatzWillRise wrote:I'm curious if someone had said "4 black guys helped resolve the situation" or something along those lines... is that racist? Does racism mean identifying people as black? Because if so, I'm as racist as anyone in the country.

Dissin the man is the exact reason I get nervous even being around African Americans - I'm so scared I will accidentally say or do something they deem racist without even knowing it. Of course I think stereotypes and racism are two different things. Racism, in my opinion, is disliking/hating/having a bias against different "races" for whatever reasons. Stereotypes is just saying like "all white people like mayo."

This world is now so PC I'm afraid to talk to anyone who isn't white. If I try and relate to them, I'm racist. If I try and be super nice to the, I'm racist. I simply don't know what to do.

CWR, your midset baffles me. Do you really get nervous around blacks? I admit when I am around a large group of black friends I act a little more agressive with the way I phrase things. I partially do this because I notice the way people ARE nervous around a particular group of people and they "over compensate".

Act like yourself CWR and if whoever doesn't like it fu*k em.

I am not responsible for what happened in the past, I am only responsible for what happens in the future.

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Where the hell did that come from? Considering that I hate most of argh's posts, what did she do to get singled out? Calling a poster on previous posts is the majority of the fun on this board.

Greenie,Grizzle,Grizfan10 whatever name he goes by now was just being debated by a wordy little science girl. What gives?

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Who are you?

GrizMania wrote:

Grisly Fan wrote:Actually the point should be that the first post was inaccurate. If it had been 4 black guys then the truth is the truth. But since it was grossly inaccurate then it is racist because the underlying assumption was that black people were likely to have done such a thing.

People should actually care whether they post BS of any kind. Of course given the anonymous nature of this forum, cr@p is going to get posted and everyone needs to discount anything they read here until it is otherwise validated. IMO it isn't a real rational practice to fight racism with racism so I disagree with several of the responses to the original post too.

great point.

and i'm still waiting for Dissin to show me where shahan made racist remarks. cuz if he did i missed them

your gonna keep waiting to. Shahan never said anything racist like the guy that started the thread. Shahan maybe an OK guy and i got a little worked up about the whole thing. I just need to keep telling myself that places like Montana are what they are and nothing I am going to say or do will change it. It is still the same. with the same mentality as when I went to school in Great Falls.

You always get the apologetic guys like cats will rise and re/max thinking that what they say will make it all better, it's insulting to say the least. I don't need no pasty white apology from people who are not doing anything wrong. If it doesn't come from the racist cracker that said it, I don't want it. I am a proud black man that don't take handouts even in a verbal form.

Out.

so i've been "chasing greenie around", huh boardmonitor?
yeah, right. occassionally i respond to over-the-top, pompous, unsubtantiated crap in posts. greenie just happens to be the progeniter (sp) of 98% of these on this board.

if you feel like you've got to ban me 'cuz you think he can't (or shouldn't? has paid you to make sure?) take what he gives out, then ban away. it is, after all, your double standard to wave. of course, if you start applying this standard evenly, you'll have no one left to post.

Dissin the Man wrote:

GrizMania wrote:

Grisly Fan wrote:Actually the point should be that the first post was inaccurate. If it had been 4 black guys then the truth is the truth. But since it was grossly inaccurate then it is racist because the underlying assumption was that black people were likely to have done such a thing.

People should actually care whether they post BS of any kind. Of course given the anonymous nature of this forum, cr@p is going to get posted and everyone needs to discount anything they read here until it is otherwise validated. IMO it isn't a real rational practice to fight racism with racism so I disagree with several of the responses to the original post too.

great point.

and i'm still waiting for Dissin to show me where shahan made racist remarks. cuz if he did i missed them

your gonna keep waiting to. Shahan never said anything racist like the guy that started the thread. Shahan maybe an OK guy and i got a little worked up about the whole thing. I just need to keep telling myself that places like Montana are what they are and nothing I am going to say or do will change it. It is still the same. with the same mentality as when I went to school in Great Falls.

You always get the apologetic guys like cats will rise and re/max thinking that what they say will make it all better, it's insulting to say the least. I don't need no pasty white apology from people who are not doing anything wrong. If it doesn't come from the racist cracker that said it, I don't want it. I am a proud black man that don't take handouts even in a verbal form.

Out.

Again... isn't it time to R.I.P. this thread?

Lock this damn thread.. these morons are taking it over wanting apologies for stupid shit.

Better lock this thread and throw away the key. Griz Nation is getting all nervous. Shall I use some "useful descriptors?" What a laugh!