Newest nickame for Piniero, courtesy of the good people at Lookout Landing.

When multiple people are comparing you to a decorated container whose sole purpose is to be beaten to the point of fragmentation by blindfolded children with sticks, you probably aren't a very good pitcher.

I love Lookout Landing.

Classic, I love it.

I heard that on KJR the other day and it made me laugh.

I love Lookout Landing

I spent all day there on Sunday. I cooked myself. Both inside and out.

Sounds good for the upcoming July 17-18-19 & August 22-23-24 games. Something to look forward to.

Go Yankees!!!

Well, taking two out of three wasn't too bad; those Mariners still give a lot of effort on the field though. I wouldn't be too discouraged Mariner fans. They seem to be an up & coming team; just got to be more consistent & develop your younger pitching prospects & you might just be in the thick of it sooner than later. Wish ya luck.

Go Griz!!!
Go Yankees!!!

i think its due time mr. pinero goes to the bullpen....im tired of them waiting around for this guy to come around, he didnt even make it to the 4th inning today. looked horrible....heres his last 5 games...

AUG 05 OAK 2.2 Innings Pitched 8 H 4 R 3 BB 2 K
JUL 30 @CLE 7.0 Innings Pitched 4 H 3 R 3 BB 4 K
JUL 24 TOR 6.0 Innings Pitched 10 H 3 R 1 BB 5 K
JUL 18 @NYY 6.0 Innings Pitched 7 H 2 R 1 BB 5 K
JUL 07 DET 7.2 Innings Pitched 10 H 6 R 2 BB 2 K

and his season numbers

7-9 5.78 ERA 127.2 IP 166 H 88 ER 19 HR 64 K

I think Jake Woods deserves to be brought up into the rotation, or George Sherill, just look at their numbers. I like Lowe. but why mess with a good thing, hes been absolutley phenominal as a setup/clean up man. Here are Woods and Sherill's season numbers. compare them to Pinero, and you tell me why one of these two shouldnt replace him.

Jake Woods

3-1 3.78 ERA 50 IP 47 H 23 ER 5 HR 34 K

George Sherill

2-2 2.90 ERA 31 IP 18 H 10 ER 0 HR 34 K

I do believe Mr. Pinata (great nickname for him GrizBiz) need to head to the bullpen, the M's wont be winning the West with him in the rotation.

Sherrill's numbers are a bit deceptive. Hargrove uses him primarily against left handers and he absolutely kills them. He's a bit suspect against righties, though, which is why he's a reliever. I doubt that he would see many left handed batters if he were starting - teams would just stack their lineup with RH hitters. That would not be good for George.

Woods could be interesting but there is no telling if he could go through a lineup three times. After Pinata's comments in the Seattle papers today, I wouldn't be surprised to see he and Woods flipped for a few starts.

Cruceta leads the PCL in strikeouts and is probably the best option but I'll bet they don't promote him.

WyomingGrizFan wrote:Well, taking two out of three wasn't too bad; those Mariners still give a lot of effort on the field though. I wouldn't be too discouraged Mariner fans. They seem to be an up & coming team; just got to be more consistent & develop your younger pitching prospects & you might just be in the thick of it sooner than later. Wish ya luck.

Go Griz!!!
Go Yankees!!!

Not as long as they spend year in year out not being able to beat (insert the team of choice from the ALWest) certain teams, it is currently Oakland, a few years back it was the Angels, when we were hot...it was Texass, the Saga that is Seattle Professional sports continues.

GrizBiz wrote:Sherrill's numbers are a bit deceptive. Hargrove uses him primarily against left handers and he absolutely kills them. He's a bit suspect against righties, though, which is why he's a reliever. I doubt that he would see many left handed batters if he were starting - teams would just stack their lineup with RH hitters. That would not be good for George.

Woods could be interesting but there is no telling if he could go through a lineup three times. After Pinata's comments in the Seattle papers today, I wouldn't be surprised to see he and Woods flipped for a few starts.

Cruceta leads the PCL in strikeouts and is probably the best option but I'll bet they don't promote him.

GrizBiz i didnt see the comments, what did he say?

"I stink," Pineiro said, clearly frustrated by his tough outing. "I'm not going to lie. If you look at the numbers, you say that this guy stinks. Yeah, I had a couple of good ballgames, but that's not good enough. I'm very disappointed in myself and the way that I've been pitching. I've been trying to find answers everywhere, and there's nowhere else I can go.

"I have no excuses. I don't want to say there's something wrong with my arm, because there's nothing wrong. I've been getting hit and walking people, and that's not the way I was in the past. I have to find something that takes me back to the past."

Toast.

ITS ABOUT TIME!!!

http://seattle.mariners.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060816&content_id=1613436&vkey=news_sea&fext=.jsp&c_id=sea

Woods? Woods?!!?

Why not bring up Cruceta or Baek and get them some major league experience? Wait...no...I guess that makes too much sense....sigh....

i do agree with ya...even though i like woods...im a buch bigger fan of Baek....Cruceta is impressive too. but Baek is just studly. But hey as long as its not Pinata im happy

Baek = Pinata, part 2. Post surgery, the guy just has no out pitch. He's got four ok pitches and has to rely on command and guile to get people out. He's been doing it this year in Tacoma but I just don't trust guys like that in the major leagues.

first time i remember saying this in a long time...but...

beautiful outing by the Pinata today

picked up the win agains the Tigers

here is his line

3.2 Innings Pitched 0 Runs 0 Hits 0 Walks 4 K's

Piniero is a first class a-hole. He threw a retaliatory bean ball at Troy Glaus’s head in 2000. I always thought those were supposed to be thrown center mass.

I think he will be gone by next year. I believe his contract is up.

Nothing wrong with a little chin music. Joel's problem is that he just can't pitch without artificial enhancement.

Today's players are a bunch of babies - could any of them have played when Drysdale and Ford would stick one in the batter's ear hole if he so much as looked at them wrong?

Chin Music is not the same as retaliatory bean balls! That's why the DH should not be allowed. If you throw a bean ball at someones head you should have to stand in the box yourself.

Even old timers like Drysdale and Ford did not throw bean balls at players head.

Skookum-Jim wrote:Chin Music is not the same as retaliatory bean balls! That's why the DH should not be allowed. If you throw a bean ball at someones head you should have to stand in the box yourself.

Even old timers like Drysdale and Ford did not throw bean balls at players head.

LOL. They didn't call it chin music because they threw at the torso.

Have you ever seen footage of Drysdale pitch? He hit 154 batters in his career - still a National League record. Somebody once said that Drysdale considered an intentional walk a waste of three pitches. I've seen film of one at bat where he sat Durocher on his ass four strait pitches - every one of which would have hit him in the head if he didn't bail.

Clemens was an infamous head hunter, too. Remember him throwing at ARod's head in the playoffs ('99 or 2000?)? He knocked ARod on his ass and Alex just about shit his pants. The pussy wouldn't dig in after that. I remember him standing at the very back of the batter's box for the rest of the night with a scared look on his face and Roger owned him. Cost the M's the game and the series.

Lou Gherig once got hit in the head three times by the same pitcher, over the course of two seasons. The last time was so bad that his head swelled up and he had to wear Babe Ruth's hat in order to play the next day. He hit three triples his first three times up, too. Tough hombre, Gherig. Quite the contrast with the current Yankees.

Obviously, you missed the point so I will make another attempt to explain it.

Of coarse major league pitchers pitch inside. They have to throw the occasional high and tight fastball to set up hitters and to keep them from crowding the plate. All successful major league power pitchers must intimidate the hitters from time to time. I think you've heard a little too much exaggerated lore about pitchers and players from the past. I am not disputing that the old timers were Tough hombre's but the game has not changed very much except for the fact that the players are bigger faster and stronger these days. We would probably agree that the body armor should not be allowed.

It is entirely a different situation when retaliating against a team to protect your players and throwing chin music. When you retaliate with a bean ball it is way out of line to throw in head high! Joel Pineiro is the only player I can think of that has done that in recent history. Roger Clemens doesn't even do that.

You call A-rod a pussy? He will most likely be the home run champion when he gets done with his career. He is the youngest player to reach 300 and 400 HR and he's a pussy? I cannot believe that anyone whom has ever put on a jock would ever call A-Rod a pussy. He might be a little self centered and arrogant but he's no pussy.