Post subject: Is spotting "gangsta thugs" really all that diffic
slick_willy eGrizzer
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I have in the past heard a lot of Kramer apologists play the "recruiting is an inexact science" and "bad luck" cards when discussing Kramer's role in the recent legal trouble at MSU. While these are true to an extent, I have extreme difficulty believing that all the players involved in the MSU drug ring were able to completely pull the wool over Kramer and his staff's eyes while they were being recruited. Was I surprised to hear that Gatewood was busted for dealing? Not at all. Why? It all goes back to the to the day when Mr. Gatewood made his most lasting impression on me. Unfortunately, it wasn't the 200+ receiving yard game he had against the Griz. Rather, it was when I saw him on TV donning his "gansta-thug" get-up and touting himself as "Greatwood" during the player introductions of the Griz-Cat game. Those 4 seconds were all Mr. Gatewood needed to convince me that he is NOT someone I would want on my team, as in those 4 seconds he showed that a) He is in it for himself and not the team, and b) he embraces the hip-hop "gansta" culture, which in turn, embraces things like killing cops and drug dealing. As they say - if it walks like a duck, quacks likes a duck, it's probably a duck. In no way am I suggesting that all kids who wear doo-rags and shorts pulled down are drug dealers, but if a kid chooses to present himself to the public as such, the chances are astronomically higher that he conducts himself in a manner that is celebrated in the rap songs of his role models. Recruiting talent to Bozeman is tough, and Kramer took the ultimate gamble, but lost in the end. Play with fire too many times, and you will get burned. Kramer is a good person and a good coach, but the MSU administation made the right decision to let him go. Not even three wins over the Griz and one in the playoffs is worth the price that MSU is paying now.
Sounds like most of the kids that walk through Southgate Mall. But it's true.. how you carry yourself as a person speaks volumes of what you are portraying to other people. You hit the nail on the head with the "Greatwood" thing. I saw that and immediately thought this is a person I'd rather smack in the mouth than look at him. Now it appears he's going to be someone's bed time bitch. I hate the hip-hop culture, I'm just far too traditional and old fashioned to put up with that kind of crap, especially if I were offering this kid several thousand dollars to play football and go to school.
Post subject: Re: Is spotting "gangsta thugs" really all that di
NorthwestFresh eGrizzer
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slick_willy wrote:
I have in the past heard a lot of Kramer apologists play the "recruiting is an inexact science" and "bad luck" cards when discussing Kramer's role in the recent legal trouble at MSU. While these are true to an extent, I have extreme difficulty believing that all the players involved in the MSU drug ring were able to completely pull the wool over Kramer and his staff's eyes while they were being recruited. Was I surprised to hear that Gatewood was busted for dealing? Not at all. Why? It all goes back to the to the day when Mr. Gatewood made his most lasting impression on me. Unfortunately, it wasn't the 200+ receiving yard game he had against the Griz. Rather, it was when I saw him on TV donning his "gansta-thug" get-up and touting himself as "Greatwood" during the player introductions of the Griz-Cat game. Those 4 seconds were all Mr. Gatewood needed to convince me that he is NOT someone I would want on my team, as in those 4 seconds he showed that a) He is in it for himself and not the team, and b) he embraces the hip-hop "gansta" culture, which in turn, embraces things like killing cops and drug dealing. As they say - if it walks like a duck, quacks likes a duck, it's probably a duck. In no way am I suggesting that all kids who wear doo-rags and shorts pulled down are drug dealers, but if a kid chooses to present himself to the public as such, the chances are astronomically higher that he conducts himself in a manner that is celebrated in the rap songs of his role models. Recruiting talent to Bozeman is tough, and Kramer took the ultimate gamble, but lost in the end. Play with fire too many times, and you will get burned. Kramer is a good person and a good coach, but the MSU administation made the right decision to let him go. Not even three wins over the Griz and one in the playoffs is worth the price that MSU is paying now.
Yes, being black, dressing in urban style, and being cocky clearly means you are a criminal.
I have in the past heard a lot of Kramer apologists play the "recruiting is an inexact science" and "bad luck" cards when discussing Kramer's role in the recent legal trouble at MSU. While these are true to an extent, I have extreme difficulty believing that all the players involved in the MSU drug ring were able to completely pull the wool over Kramer and his staff's eyes while they were being recruited. Was I surprised to hear that Gatewood was busted for dealing? Not at all. Why? It all goes back to the to the day when Mr. Gatewood made his most lasting impression on me. Unfortunately, it wasn't the 200+ receiving yard game he had against the Griz. Rather, it was when I saw him on TV donning his "gansta-thug" get-up and touting himself as "Greatwood" during the player introductions of the Griz-Cat game. Those 4 seconds were all Mr. Gatewood needed to convince me that he is NOT someone I would want on my team, as in those 4 seconds he showed that a) He is in it for himself and not the team, and b) he embraces the hip-hop "gansta" culture, which in turn, embraces things like killing cops and drug dealing. As they say - if it walks like a duck, quacks likes a duck, it's probably a duck. In no way am I suggesting that all kids who wear doo-rags and shorts pulled down are drug dealers, but if a kid chooses to present himself to the public as such, the chances are astronomically higher that he conducts himself in a manner that is celebrated in the rap songs of his role models. Recruiting talent to Bozeman is tough, and Kramer took the ultimate gamble, but lost in the end. Play with fire too many times, and you will get burned. Kramer is a good person and a good coach, but the MSU administation made the right decision to let him go. Not even three wins over the Griz and one in the playoffs is worth the price that MSU is paying now.
Yes, being black, dressing in urban style, and being cocky clearly means you are a criminal.
His race has nothing to do with this, but nice try. The point he was making was about how a person carries themself. He'd have said the same thing if Travis Lulay came out the exact same way.
Post subject: Re: Is spotting "gangsta thugs" really all that di
ALPHAGRIZ1 eGriz Lifer
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NorthwestFresh wrote:
slick_willy wrote:
I have in the past heard a lot of Kramer apologists play the "recruiting is an inexact science" and "bad luck" cards when discussing Kramer's role in the recent legal trouble at MSU. While these are true to an extent, I have extreme difficulty believing that all the players involved in the MSU drug ring were able to completely pull the wool over Kramer and his staff's eyes while they were being recruited. Was I surprised to hear that Gatewood was busted for dealing? Not at all. Why? It all goes back to the to the day when Mr. Gatewood made his most lasting impression on me. Unfortunately, it wasn't the 200+ receiving yard game he had against the Griz. Rather, it was when I saw him on TV donning his "gansta-thug" get-up and touting himself as "Greatwood" during the player introductions of the Griz-Cat game. Those 4 seconds were all Mr. Gatewood needed to convince me that he is NOT someone I would want on my team, as in those 4 seconds he showed that a) He is in it for himself and not the team, and b) he embraces the hip-hop "gansta" culture, which in turn, embraces things like killing cops and drug dealing. As they say - if it walks like a duck, quacks likes a duck, it's probably a duck. In no way am I suggesting that all kids who wear doo-rags and shorts pulled down are drug dealers, but if a kid chooses to present himself to the public as such, the chances are astronomically higher that he conducts himself in a manner that is celebrated in the rap songs of his role models. Recruiting talent to Bozeman is tough, and Kramer took the ultimate gamble, but lost in the end. Play with fire too many times, and you will get burned. Kramer is a good person and a good coach, but the MSU administation made the right decision to let him go. Not even three wins over the Griz and one in the playoffs is worth the price that MSU is paying now.
Yes, being black, dressing in urban style, and being cocky clearly means you are a criminal.
If your not a criminal why act like one? GateHood is a criminal. So 100% of the time slick willy is right when he calls a spade a spade.
Race has nothing to do with it, but nice try playing the card.
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Sundown Full time eGrizzer
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slick_willy wrote:
Not even three wins over the Griz and one in the playoffs is worth the price that Montana is paying now.
This is no longer an issue of "MSU vs. UM" or "Cat vs Griz". This is a problem for Montana and the Montana University system. It reflects poorly on us as a State when people from other parts of the country and even the world read news about our beloved state and it's exceptional Universities from the ESPN police blotter.
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Sundown Full time eGrizzer
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NorthwestFresh wrote:
slick_willy wrote:
I have in the past heard a lot of Kramer apologists play the "recruiting is an inexact science" and "bad luck" cards when discussing Kramer's role in the recent legal trouble at MSU. While these are true to an extent, I have extreme difficulty believing that all the players involved in the MSU drug ring were able to completely pull the wool over Kramer and his staff's eyes while they were being recruited. Was I surprised to hear that Gatewood was busted for dealing? Not at all. Why? It all goes back to the to the day when Mr. Gatewood made his most lasting impression on me. Unfortunately, it wasn't the 200+ receiving yard game he had against the Griz. Rather, it was when I saw him on TV donning his "gansta-thug" get-up and touting himself as "Greatwood" during the player introductions of the Griz-Cat game. Those 4 seconds were all Mr. Gatewood needed to convince me that he is NOT someone I would want on my team, as in those 4 seconds he showed that a) He is in it for himself and not the team, and b) he embraces the hip-hop "gansta" culture, which in turn, embraces things like killing cops and drug dealing. As they say - if it walks like a duck, quacks likes a duck, it's probably a duck. In no way am I suggesting that all kids who wear doo-rags and shorts pulled down are drug dealers, but if a kid chooses to present himself to the public as such, the chances are astronomically higher that he conducts himself in a manner that is celebrated in the rap songs of his role models. Recruiting talent to Bozeman is tough, and Kramer took the ultimate gamble, but lost in the end. Play with fire too many times, and you will get burned. Kramer is a good person and a good coach, but the MSU administation made the right decision to let him go. Not even three wins over the Griz and one in the playoffs is worth the price that MSU is paying now.
Yes, being black, dressing in urban style, and being cocky clearly means you are a criminal.
Wow. Are you even f*cking reading these posts?
slick_willy wrote:
In NO WAY am I suggesting that all kids who wear doo-rags and shorts pulled down are drug dealers
Urban style, is that what you call it. I call it looking like a poop idiot. And all these bleeding hearts wonder why the "poor abused underpriveledged urban hood-rats" can't get jobs. Well DUH jackasses, would any of you hire one of these clear cut turds to work in your business? I sure as hell wouldn't!! I wouldn't want that type of person reflecting upon my business.
Urban style, is that what you call it. I call it looking like a f*****g idiot. And all these bleeding hearts wonder why the "poor abused underpriveledged urban hood-rats" can't get jobs. Well DUH jackasses, would any of you hire one of these clear cut turds to work in your business? I sure as hell wouldn't!! I wouldn't want that type of person reflecting upon my business.
Great post Harm.
Lately if I am shopping anywhere and I get the gangsta thug helping me or the tattooed freak with all the piercings, I find management and tell then right in front of the idiot why I am going elsewhere. I won't buy products, food, or services from businesses that prop up that BS.
Urban style, is that what you call it. I call it looking like a f*****g idiot. And all these bleeding hearts wonder why the "poor abused underpriveledged urban hood-rats" can't get jobs. Well DUH jackasses, would any of you hire one of these clear cut turds to work in your business? I sure as hell wouldn't!! I wouldn't want that type of person reflecting upon my business.
Good point Harm. If I walk into a restaurant/bar where the staff....or even the clientele for that matter.....look like hoods I'll immediately throw a look of disappointment toward the hostess/bartender and walk back out. You won't get my money when you tolerate people looking like absolute clowns...
I actually like Kramer and kinda feel bad for him (although I agree that Fields basically had no choice but to fire him). But he could have done a little more to try to convey that acting like a thug isn't acceptable. The player introductions that slick_willy mentioned for starters. I can't believe anyone in charge allowed that crap to be shown in public. I also would've benched Leblanc for his "performance" in the game against App. State. App. State's players weren't exactly choir boys either but I couldn't stand to watch someone like Leblanc wearing a uniform with "Montana" on it act like that on national television.
I actually like Kramer and kinda feel bad for him (although I agree that Fields basically had no choice but to fire him). But he could have done a little more to try to convey that acting like a thug isn't acceptable. The player introductions that slick_willy mentioned for starters. I can't believe anyone in charge allowed that crap to be shown in public. I also would've benched Leblanc for his "performance" in the game against App. State. App. State's players weren't exactly choir boys either but I couldn't stand to watch someone like Leblanc wearing a uniform with "Montana" on it act like that on national television.
Agreed. I know our coaches aren't perfect either, but if a Griz player pulled that kind of crap under Hauck's watch he would get his balls nailed to the wall.
Some great posts here guys, I love it, and agree wholeheartedly with all of it.
As for my opinion on it, yes, I think that when recruiting you definitely are able to get an idea of the character of a prospective player. Sometimes you go out on a limb though and say well hey, we know this guy's a no-good punk who may tarnish our image, but still... he is on another level athletically and has the opportunity to help us win games, so let's take a chance. Selling your soul in a way, you could say.
I bet it will get locked before they jump all over you for being racists.
No, no... not going to happen. I hear Don Imus is one of the egriz moderators.
Peace out Alpha. . . my little knappy headed ______. You fill in the blank. I don't want Al Sharpton to shut down egriz.
If Imus was a moderator on eGriz, threads wouldn't be locked as much as they are by the Stalinesque mods we currently have.
Since this isn't locked yet... should we hand out mirrors, razerblades, and a straw to everyone for the Griz/Cat game??? We all could wear Donald Trump masks as well... You're FIRED!!!!
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