Sad news all the way around. Keep your heads up and be real fans.

Here's hoping that this is the end of such foolishness and evil working itself through the schools. Let this be a wake up call to all students that there is more to life than degrees and titles on the football field, there are life lessons and moral choices that "count forever" that far outweigh anything in the here and now. May UM and MSU train up and raise student athletes that excel in the areas of life that really matter.

BTW: a few bad apples do spoil it for the rest only in the short run, it's the rest who can write the long term history that lasts for the long run.

Go Griz, Go Cats!

The Real World wrote:No, because there are plenty of African Americans on the team and plenty of out-of-staters. If this was a fact, instead of a very ugly coincidence, they would all be trouble-makers. By stating its a fact, you are implying that all African American out-of-staters are thugs, at least that's how I interpreted that message.

Also, I believe that Murphy (a white Montana boy) got into some trouble last year but got off. Quinn (a white boy) got kicked off the Oklahoma squad and Russum (another white boy) left Arizona State after getting in some trouble.

The problem is not race, it's a problem of a bad apple or two getting into the batch every once in a while. Wilson's issues are a representation of blacks or out-of-staters as much as Murphy, Quinn or Russum are of white people or the University of Montana program in general

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The fact was all the guys arrested lately are black. That is what I was implying.

jagur1 wrote:Can I ask one question:

Anybody know why Jimmy wasn't in Msla running and lifting his ass off for Summer conditioning?

I wondered that same thing. The players do get 3 weeks off from the time school gets out until the first week of June. Most of them are ready by then to get back to Missoula. They have had enough family bonding. Apparently this happened during that three week time period. The first day of summer workouts wasn't until June 4th so Jimmy didn't have to be in Missoula until then and the incident happened June 2.

Nice post Catsrback76. Hopefully everyone will take it to heart.
Football is a game that a player only plays for a short period of time.
What a person does before and after football is what counts. Not how many games are won or lost.
So many lives are affected in the Jimmy Wilson case. My prayers are for all the people involved .

Catsrback76 wrote:Sad news all the way around. Keep your heads up and be real fans.

Here's hoping that this is the end of such foolishness and evil working itself through the schools. Let this be a wake up call to all students that there is more to life than degrees and titles on the football field, there are life lessons and moral choices that "count forever" that far outweigh anything in the here and now. May UM and MSU train up and raise student athletes that excel in the areas of life that really matter.

BTW: a few bad apples do spoil it for the rest only in the short run, it's the rest who can write the long term history that lasts for the long run.

Go Griz, Go Cats!

Great post.

A/V Guy wrote: The fact was all the guys arrested lately are black. That is what I was implying.

And the more level headed are saying it is a coincidence. If you want to start making more arguments and generalizations about black people, go ahead. Most people will think less of you.

I can't see any good reason for talking about the race of these players. I can only see ugly reasons fro talking about their races. I think you should stop while you are behind, A/V Guy.

We have been imune from the awful problems that many of the bigger schools have had over time that we just figured it can't happen here at UM or MSU...It can!

This humble pies tastes terrible-

Here's hoping we can get back to smack talking about sports and not criminal records sooner rather than later...

From what i understand, Jimmy was back in missoula working out with the team after the incedent. He then left when he came up as a suspect, and turned himself in.

What happened was Jimmy's aunt was being ruffed up by her husband, and Jimmy responded. Supposidly Jimmy just went over just to scare the man, but the gun "accidentally went off" and killed the man. Its a very sad situation, which has ruined many people's lifes. Jimmy is a very nice young man, and put himself in a very bad situation. I hope for the best of everyone affected by this tradgety.

ForShizzleGrizzle wrote:First off I don't even think it is legal by the NCAA to force any kid to stay at the U during summer for practice. These things are usually voluntary. Now if you want to start then it is your best interest to be there.

And I am getting about sick of the "inner city" posts on this board. Its terrible and disgusting to even hear how many ignorant people we have out there in Grizland.

First off Fo Nizzle, I live in the "inner city" and I work in the "inner city"....with behavior kids, and when I say trouble starts in these places, it's because it's true. Your Helena expertise at spotting "farm boy" comments is amazing. You should start your own radio show called "Let me find fault with anything you say" starring Fo Drizzle.

I know you can't force students to stay around all summer and never go home. My comment was out of frustration over the situation...all I was trying to say is that if he wasn't back home, it would have never happened.

buckey wrote:From what i understand, Jimmy was back in missoula working out with the team after the incedent. He then left when he came up as a suspect, and turned himself in.

What happened was Jimmy's aunt was being ruffed up by her husband, and Jimmy responded. Supposidly Jimmy just went over just to scare the man, but the gun "accidentally went off" and killed the man... .

Please, oh please, I hope that all of the above is untrue. This is just awful.

First and foremost Jimmy is not a "nice kid" I know multiple people in Missoula who he has assulted as well as threatend them while brandishing his gun....a large out-cry for Jimmy's dissmissal from the Missoula community has fallen on def ears. The fact that a mediocre 1-AA football player can get away with what some of the crap he pulled while in missoula is frightening. Jimmy Wilson was a cancer not only to the program but to the community. In my opinion and many others he will not be missed. Missoula and LA are now safer places with his incarceration.

Yea, (while I admit that I haven't seen it in person) I have heard multiple accounts from people that I trust of him flashing a handgun while downtown. I also know somebody that he assulted, or rather got into a physical confrontation with a few years back.

A very sad story for all involved, but knowing a little bit about Jimmy, I can't say that I am very surprised.

I've witnessed 2 fights started by Jimmy and was sucker punched by him on another occasion. Jimmy has also attacked more than one Grizzly athlete on separate occasions over the last 2 years and also helped incite a fight that sent a Missoula native that now plays at an Oregon school to the E.R.. Unfortunately Missoula is such a small community and it is hard to avoid meatheads like this. He had been 86'd out of almost every bar downtown but not before he brandished his gun in front of a group that he was angry with.
I'm sorry to hear that he has thrown his life away like this, but I am not surprised at the news.

I find it hard to fathom that he could partake in this type of behavior over and over again and remain a part of the team and not end up in jail. Is this the community and program protecting and athlete? If so, that just leads to bigger problems down the road like alleged murder. Once again we are talking about athlete behavior rather than on field performance.

My friend, a GRIZ backer but not an alum, had a party recently in late May.

At the party, I ran into a former, recent GRIZ that graduated a few years ago and played under Bobby Hauck. I love to talk to this guy because he has good scoop on the team usually.

We we're talking about the Cat problems in Bozeman and how Mike Kramer was made a scapegoat, and he made a comment that stuck with me, "Every team has it's thugs--we have Jimmy Wilson."

While I did take notice of his mentioning Jimmy's name, I didn't ask him to explain. Now, if I see him, I most definitely will ask him to explain that comment.

At the pre-game Meet and Greet held at The Holiday Inn Grand Montana before the Spring Game in Billings in April, I saw Jimmy. I didn't talk to him--he just gave me a really cold look as he walked past me. I thought to myself, "Man, I'm glad that guy plays for us!"

No, I didn't have any fricking clue that Jimmy Wilson would be arrested for murder--absolutely none!

While I hope Jimmy is somehow aquitted and found innocent, one of my neighbors in my building who's an attorney told me, "It doesn't look good when you drive to the guys house with a gun to confront him and he ends up dead on his own driveway--the prosecution could argue that Wilson went over to the victim's house with the intent of killing him." (As opposed to the vic going to Jimmy's house and confronting him. The situation even gets more untenable if the vic was unarmed according to my lawyer friend. A defense based on self defense is still possible, but it won't be easy)

If and when I see my GRIZ friend I am going to ask him to elaborate on his earlier comments on Jimmy.

And my biggest regret and prayers go for the vic's mother who doesn't have a son anymore, Jimmy's family who may have to watch their son spend a big chunk of his life behind bars, and the two kids who now don't have a dad--hopefully an uncle, grandfather, and/or a good stepfather will step up to the plate and help raise them together with their mother--kids need a dad!

Explosive 1 wrote:I've witnessed 2 fights started by Jimmy and was sucker punched by him on another occasion. Jimmy has also attacked more than one Grizzly athlete on separate occasions over the last 2 years and also helped incite a fight that sent a Missoula native that now plays at an Oregon school to the E.R.. Unfortunately Missoula is such a small community and it is hard to avoid meatheads like this. He had been 86'd out of almost every bar downtown but not before he brandished his gun in front of a group that he was angry with.
I'm sorry to hear that he has thrown his life away like this, but I am not surprised at the news.

If this is true and I am not saying it is why is he still on the team. I heard about this stuff but just thought it was just rumor. Is there anyway coach hauck cant know about a player that alledgidly does these things? I am very sad to hear this about jimmy I like watchinghim play.

Can't remember the players name, but as I recall there was another player a couple years ago that got in some hot water for brandishing a handgun to intimidate some people because he got ran out of a house party or something of that nature. Anyone else remember that or who the player was?

Jimmy Wilson is a thug
Although I have deep sympathy for the victims I am not one bit suprised that this is happening to Jimmy.

I have personally witnessed one very violent incident that Jimmy initiated all himself, and have heard of various others. Often involving Jimmy pulling a gun on somebody or gang beating somebody.

And you wonder why he is still on the team??
Hauck is well aware of what happens, but he chooses to turn his back and hide what happens. This obviously is blowing up in his face. Furthermore, the Missoula Police Department loves the Montana football team and lets the get away with pretty much anything.

It is no coincidence that multiple witness's have seen Jimmy lashing out.

So for those of you who refuse to believe that Jimmy would ever do such a horrible act, or are pleeding his case to ressurect his already horrible reputation...i'm sorry

Agent 00Pike wrote:Can't remember the players name, but as I recall there was another player a couple years ago that got in some hot water for brandishing a handgun to intimidate some people because he got ran out of a house party or something of that nature. Anyone else remember that or who the player was?

vernon smith.

Sounds like he was quite the thug, jeez. Well... let's just bring in a class guy to get the job done, nothing can deter our trip to Chatty this year!

The news is reporting that his arraignment is a week from today.

free jimmy #18 wrote:Mr. Jimmy Wilson was probably one of the best corners in 1-aa and will be missed.I know him on a personel level and he is one of the most loyal individual i have ever been around.And this is a family issue he delt with.Most people in the same situation would have tried to handle it on their own.And if it comes as no suprise too many that didnt know him like i did u didnt know the true Jimmy Wilson.All that i have to say is no one can talk smack about a great corner and even more important, a genuine, great individual.

The true Jimmy Wilson? You mean the Jimmy Wilson that pulled a gun on a guy in Missoula because Jimmy was fooling around with that guy's girlfriend? Or are you talking about the Jimmy Wilson that starts brawls downtown? Oh I know! You're talking about the Jimmy Wilson that slammed a girl's head into the hood of a car and then told her that he would have her dealt with if she told the police.

And these are only the stories I know of that came from people who were actually there. Not only is Jimmy a bad person, he has also incited other Griz players who I believe are genuinely good people, to join his thug acts.

I have seen him start fights downtown when he's with his whole "crew" and obviously the other party loses when it's 10 football players against 2-4 people. And I can confirm that people have went to the hospital from these outnumbered brawls.

I am not sure if the police were involved in any of these incidents so I don't think it's necessarily right to say Hauck should be held responsible for having delinquent players if he never knew about it. I do know that some of the Missoula police are A LOT easier on UM football players than the average john doe Missoulian. I've heard numerous stories about football players getting pulled over while being absolutely hammered and when the police recognize who they pulled over they don't even begin to question if they've been drinking or not, and let them go on their merry way. When was the last time you remember a UM Football player getting a DUI? I can't remember any recently, but I could be wrong.

I'd also like to add that there are way more respectable and upstanding members of the UM Football team than there are bad ones. In fact I have only come across a small handful of them that I don't like, Jimmy Wilson topping that list. Hopefully the bad seeds like him will all be weeded out one day and then every player on the team will actually deserve the attention and respect that Missoula gives them.

emilsson_2000 wrote:

ForShizzleGrizzle wrote:First off I don't even think it is legal by the NCAA to force any kid to stay at the U during summer for practice. These things are usually voluntary. Now if you want to start then it is your best interest to be there.

And I am getting about sick of the "inner city" posts on this board. Its terrible and disgusting to even hear how many ignorant people we have out there in Grizland.

First off Fo Nizzle, I live in the "inner city" and I work in the "inner city"....with behavior kids, and when I say trouble starts in these places, it's because it's true. Your Helena expertise at spotting "farm boy" comments is amazing. You should start your own radio show called "Let me find fault with anything you say" starring Fo Drizzle.

Let's just be clear about Lancaster, CA., It is not the inner city, not even close. And the 44900 block of 16th ST. East, which is where this shooting took place, is nicer than much of Missoula's South Hill.

Let's hear it for basketball...

This is definitely an unfortunate incident and a sad day for grizzly football and here is my observation.

It is very interesting that a lot of people are stereotyping people from California. I have been to California and Missoula Montana is much more like the places I have been in California than it is like where I live in British Columbia. I just find it interesting that people here in remote British Columbia look at places like Montana like Montanans look at California and I believe the stereotypes are wrong in both cases.