Yep it is my first post for those of you keeping track!
Well we've covered the gamut of good guy to bad guy to I don't know what to think of him.
The racial, city, state call should not be a part of the dialog, in reality there are off centered people across the board. Even in high places, so there are no examples that hold true anymore.
Times they are a changin, Dylan said that.
We are who we are from the heart, not from any other place..I said that.
Let the chips fall and where they fall hope is it will be in a place of truth and justice.
No bad deeds go unpunished whether they happen on the streets of Montana or the driveways in California.......trust in the seeds you cast because someday they will sprout hopefully as................ flowers.
Back to the Griz site, I smell football....do you? Its in the air.

Just because you guys go to the games on Saturdays or have run into him at booster events does not mean you have seen Jimmy in his true form. If you want to know what he is like outside the football field go talk to the bartenders, DJ's, and fellow student athletes that see him out and about around town. Ask some of the girls that he has dated. Ask me. I grew up going to Griz football games and loved cheering on Dickenson, Wells, Douglas etc... However, the last few years of going to school with Jimmy and others who feel the need to be "thuggish" wherever they go has completely tainted my love of Saturday afternoons at Washington-Grizzly.

I really hope that Jimmy is innocent. I pray he doesn't ever come back to Missoula.

Right now fox news has this story as the "pictured" headline story on their website. They usually change every few hours. The article it links to is the same AP line that we've all seen by now, mentions the Cat's woes as well. All in all a black day for the Big Sky and the great state of Montana.

Fox News

mslaman56 wrote:Jimmy Wilson is a disease to this community and the entire world regardless of if these charges are true....I hope he is kicked off the team no matter what the result of the case is so he never comes back to Missoula.

I echoe the comments of all the previous posters that Wilson is a thug. He deserves to be locked up for all the sh*t he has pulled in Missoula, let alone if he really took a mans life. His exit from this town, save for his contributions on the field, will do nothing but strenghten it and make it a safer, less infested place to live.

Damn Mslaman,

Don't hold back, tell us how you really feel.

MrTitleist wrote:

Re/MaxGriz wrote:Yeah I know, can't deny the facts with that. However it could've just as easily been Montana kids doing this crap.

Could have.. but thank god, it hasn't been. It's funny.. Montanans are known for being gun toting rednecks who are NRA supporters and f$%,k the dems and their gun laws.. yet, we know not to point them at people. Funny how that works.

This pisses me off even more today. You think maybe the reason we want more reasonable gun control laws is BECAUSE we have so many murders and other gun problems? We have a million other young people like Jimmy Wilson. We have things called poor people who live in things called cities. We have minorities and immigrants. We also have things called gangs. You don't have these things in Montana yet we have to live with your gun laws because everyone is so damn scared of the NRA.

You can have all the guns you want for all I care - I just want to see the annual murder count in Oakland drop below 100 someday. I guess some of us have that crazy notion that if there are fewer guns on the street, if problem gun stores are closed, if it's harder to get a gun, that fewer people will be killed by guns.

A Griz 4ster wrote:Right now fox news has this story as the "pictured" headline story on their website. They usually change every few hours. The article it links to is the same AP line that we've all seen by now, mentions the Cat's woes as well. All in all a black day for the Big Sky and the great state of Montana.

Fox News

That is no good. As a state, Montana never seems to get in the news (nationally) unless it's bad news.

ucdtim17 wrote:This pisses me off even more today. You think maybe the reason we want more reasonable gun control laws is BECAUSE we have so many murders and other gun problems? We have a million other young people like Jimmy Wilson. We have things called poor people who live in things called cities. We have minorities and immigrants. We also have things called gangs. You don't have these things in Montana yet we have to live with your gun laws because everyone is so damn scared of the NRA.

You can have all the guns you want for all I care - I just want to see the annual murder count in Oakland drop below 100 someday. I guess some of us have that crazy notion that if there are fewer guns on the street, if problem gun stores are closed, if it's harder to get a gun, that fewer people will be killed by guns.

I'll let you sit and stew on it another day and see how mad you are then.

A Griz 4ster wrote:Right now fox news has this story as the "pictured" headline story on their website. They usually change every few hours. The article it links to is the same AP line that we've all seen by now, mentions the Cat's woes as well. All in all a black day for the Big Sky and the great state of Montana.

Fox News

Wow. That is harsh. I type in Foxnews.com and get Jimmy's face staring back. A bad day for dear old U of M.

ucdtim17 wrote:

MrTitleist wrote:

Re/MaxGriz wrote:Yeah I know, can't deny the facts with that. However it could've just as easily been Montana kids doing this crap.

Could have.. but thank god, it hasn't been. It's funny.. Montanans are known for being gun toting rednecks who are NRA supporters and f$%,k the dems and their gun laws.. yet, we know not to point them at people. Funny how that works.

This pisses me off even more today. You think maybe the reason we want more reasonable gun control laws is BECAUSE we have so many murders and other gun problems? We have a million other young people like Jimmy Wilson. We have things called poor people who live in things called cities. We have minorities and immigrants. We also have things called gangs. You don't have these things in Montana yet we have to live with your gun laws because everyone is so damn scared of the NRA.

You can have all the guns you want for all I care - I just want to see the annual murder count in Oakland drop below 100 someday. I guess some of us have that crazy notion that if there are fewer guns on the street, if problem gun stores are closed, if it's harder to get a gun, that fewer people will be killed by guns.

I will never buy that line. Do people really think that murder will really drop off that much if there is more gun control? The only thing that will happen is an even bigger black market for guns will open up for those individuals who feel the need to use a gun in an act of violence. Look at all the drug laws out there right now, they don't seem to be working all that well now are they.

And 1 hour later the story isn't even on the front of the page, thank goodness.

It is still under the top most read section though. This story might start picking up momentum nationally now, considering his bail is now set at $2 million and he's facing 1st degree murder charges.

sid2000 wrote:

ucdtim17 wrote:

MrTitleist wrote:

Re/MaxGriz wrote:Yeah I know, can't deny the facts with that. However it could've just as easily been Montana kids doing this crap.

Could have.. but thank god, it hasn't been. It's funny.. Montanans are known for being gun toting rednecks who are NRA supporters and f$%,k the dems and their gun laws.. yet, we know not to point them at people. Funny how that works.

This pisses me off even more today. You think maybe the reason we want more reasonable gun control laws is BECAUSE we have so many murders and other gun problems? We have a million other young people like Jimmy Wilson. We have things called poor people who live in things called cities. We have minorities and immigrants. We also have things called gangs. You don't have these things in Montana yet we have to live with your gun laws because everyone is so damn scared of the NRA.

You can have all the guns you want for all I care - I just want to see the annual murder count in Oakland drop below 100 someday. I guess some of us have that crazy notion that if there are fewer guns on the street, if problem gun stores are closed, if it's harder to get a gun, that fewer people will be killed by guns.

I will never buy that line. Do people really think that murder will really drop off that much if there is more gun control? The only thing that will happen is an even bigger black market for guns will open up for those individuals who feel the need to use a gun in an act of violence. Look at all the drug laws out there right now, they don't seem to be working all that well now are they.

I agree

MrTitleist wrote:

ucdtim17 wrote:This pisses me off even more today. You think maybe the reason we want more reasonable gun control laws is BECAUSE we have so many murders and other gun problems? We have a million other young people like Jimmy Wilson. We have things called poor people who live in things called cities. We have minorities and immigrants. We also have things called gangs. You don't have these things in Montana yet we have to live with your gun laws because everyone is so damn scared of the NRA.

You can have all the guns you want for all I care - I just want to see the annual murder count in Oakland drop below 100 someday. I guess some of us have that crazy notion that if there are fewer guns on the street, if problem gun stores are closed, if it's harder to get a gun, that fewer people will be killed by guns.

I'll let you sit and stew on it another day and see how mad you are then.

I can sit and stew forever - that doesn't change the fact that your original statement was ridiculous. I know you didn't plan on anyone from Oakland reading it, but I doubt many people here will defend it.

Christ's Sake, can we leave out the racial, inner city, and CA overtones? What is the population of CA verses Montana? The reason there are more Californians commiting these crimes is because they have the population they do. They also have more millionaires, celebrities, professional athletes, businesses than Montana!!!!! Population indicates they should have more of most things, including law breakers. Percentage in comparison to Population, CA should be w/in percentage points of national average in crime. Crime happens everywhere these days regardless of race, sex, origination, etc.

Can someone find some sort of % in comparison chart for each state? I am curious how much seperates the highest crime rate from the lowest crime rate.

When we have sensitive subjects, can we try to leave out overtones of any kind? Most of were raised better than that and know any kind of overtones should be left out.

Finally, once again, My prayers and thoughts are with everyone involved in the horrible tragedy, especially the fatherless kids and Wilson's family that will have to go through pure hell for rest of their lifes. I pray they find the strenght to deal with this and JW is found innocent and never puts himself in this position again. Ditto for every athlete at any level!!!!!

I am tired of the bad news surrounding athletes and celebs, can we please start hearing about some good things again?

mtgrizrule wrote:Can someone find some sort of % in comparison chart for each state? I am curious how much seperates the highest crime rate from the lowest crime rate.

For 2004 (latest data I could find quickly):

Violent Crime Rates: [per 100,000 persons]

California: 551.8
Montana: 293.8

(Highest: DC at 1,371.2; highest state: South Carolina at 784.2; lowest: North Dakota at 79.4)

2004 Violent Crime Rates

CrunchGriz wrote:

mtgrizrule wrote:Can someone find some sort of % in comparison chart for each state? I am curious how much seperates the highest crime rate from the lowest crime rate.

For 2004 (latest data I could find quickly):

Violent Crime Rates: [per 100,000 persons]

California: 551.8
Montana: 293.8

(Highest: DC at 1,371.2; highest state: South Carolina at 784.2; lowest: North Dakota at 79.4)

2004 Violent Crime Rates

Thank you, I stand corrected, the CA % is higher than I thought. Still can leave the overtones out here though.

mtgrizrule wrote:
I am tired of the bad news surrounding athletes and celebs, can we please start hearing about some good things again?

I agree completely. After hearing about MSU's problems and now UM's, and after dealing with issues (of a MUCH LESSER degree) on the high school level, I am working with a high school grade level counselor, a parent support group and coaches of a high school football team to start a mentoring program for the team. I want to try to prevent these problems from escalating to the levels we see in the college ranks all over the national news. I might be biting off more than I can chew, but I feel the need to do something. And as hokey as it sounds, if I can help just one kid, its worth it...If you have the opportunity, I urge you all to mentor youth in your area.

Maybe if we each try to make a difference, there will be less stories like this to debate about and obsess over on message boards.

CrunchGriz wrote:

mtgrizrule wrote:Can someone find some sort of % in comparison chart for each state? I am curious how much seperates the highest crime rate from the lowest crime rate.

For 2004 (latest data I could find quickly):

Violent Crime Rates: [per 100,000 persons]

California: 551.8
Montana: 293.8

(Highest: DC at 1,371.2; highest state: South Carolina at 784.2; lowest: North Dakota at 79.4)

2004 Violent Crime Rates

Sorry to see a Griz player having some problems. I guess in ucdtim17's mind that if it wasn't for that damn gun everything would be okay. ND probably has the highest number of guns per capita in the US yet we have the lowest violent crime. Yea it's those damn guns! This year Coach Bohl has every #1 and #2 at summer workouts (first year for both) which I'm glad to see. I agree summer workouts are where the players need to be. I think good senior leadership helps straighten out some of the players that can go astray. If I was coach Hauk I'd be all over my captains for not straighting out Jimmy. (if those posts are correct). Good luck.

Today's article in the Great Falls Tribune begins with a headline noting that UM officials are still "mum" about this incident. Then it has two separate paragraphs near the end detailing their unsuccessful attempts to get Coach Hauck or somebody else from the athletic department or Main Hall to make any kind of statement about the story.

Apparently our coaches and administrators are unwilling, at least temporarily, to comment publicly about an incident in California they didn't witness, while Wilson was not traveling with the team or involved in team business in any way. That in turn means the story will have to develop based on what the people who actually know about it choose to say to the press about it. Consequently, at least for the time being there are no foolish, uninformed public statements by anyone at UM about this for the Trib and the rest of the press to pick apart. And the Trib seems a little put out that they can't get anyone at the school to play this game.

ucdtim17 wrote:

MrTitleist wrote:

ucdtim17 wrote:This pisses me off even more today. You think maybe the reason we want more reasonable gun control laws is BECAUSE we have so many murders and other gun problems? We have a million other young people like Jimmy Wilson. We have things called poor people who live in things called cities. We have minorities and immigrants. We also have things called gangs. You don't have these things in Montana yet we have to live with your gun laws because everyone is so damn scared of the NRA.

You can have all the guns you want for all I care - I just want to see the annual murder count in Oakland drop below 100 someday. I guess some of us have that crazy notion that if there are fewer guns on the street, if problem gun stores are closed, if it's harder to get a gun, that fewer people will be killed by guns.

I'll let you sit and stew on it another day and see how mad you are then.

I can sit and stew forever - that doesn't change the fact that your original statement was ridiculous. I know you didn't plan on anyone from Oakland reading it, but I doubt many people here will defend it.

I actually didn't care if you were from Oakland or Fargo or Denver or Cheyenne... fact is, we own lots of guns and know better than to point them at people.

O'Day AND Hauck should get the axe over this after the season. Those two guys have been letting this stuff slide and at the same time act all tough about training hours and who can be in the bar at the same time.


Here's to Bob and Jim free in '08.

Anyone want to tell me why the bars in Missoula are allowed to serve 19 and 20 year olds? Has Jimmy been going out to the downtown bars for a couple years? You know he's just 20. If these bars are serving minors they shoud be shut down.

Ronbo, no offense, but are you serious? Of course they are serving minors. Bars throughout the state do it on a consistent basis. Especially to well known athletes and females. Have you been in a downtown bar in the last 10-15 years? A majority of the females range in age from 18-20. Is it illegal?, hell yeah, do they get away with it?, for the most part.

"I actually didn't care if you were from Oakland or Fargo or Denver or Cheyenne... fact is, we own lots of guns and know better than to point them at people."

That's funny because I have lived in Montana my entire life and have seen and heard a lot of bad things about guns, including a middle school student from Havre who was recently killed by police officers near Fort Benton because he hijacked a gun from his parents and opened fire on officers, allegedly because his girlfriend broke up with him. I love to hunt birds but I'm not a gun nut and if people don't think bad things happen with firearms in Montana, they are just flat out in denial or misinformed.

Re/MaxGriz wrote:I find it funny that suddenly a bunch of new posters show up or ones who hardly post appear that hide behind an anonomous screen name and claim that Jimmy is a thug, has been a thug and always will be a thug and proceed to make a bunch of claims that have either never been heard of or were dismissed as rumor years ago.

My Name is Gem Toussaint I am 23 years old...please quote me on this

Jimmy Wilson is a thug, has always been a thug and always will be a thug....I have seen it, heard it and been involved with it on more than one occasion. I feel for him, his family, and especially the victim and his family but facts are facts REMAX. Just cuz they suit up for your favorite football team every Saturday does not suddenly discount their character issues. A bad person is a bad person even if they can run fast and jump high, tackle well and make great reads.