Dickenson is God wrote:

djollieballs wrote:O'Day AND Hauck should get the axe over this after the season. Those two guys have been letting this stuff slide and at the same time act all tough about training hours and who can be in the bar at the same time.


Here's to Bob and Jim free in '08.

What in the hell are you talking about??? Why would Hauck get the ax over an isolated incident that happened in another state while a kid was home away from the team. It is not like this was part of an elaborate two-year old conspiracy to sell drugs. It was an incident of domestic abuse and Jimmy chose the wrong way to deal with it. Also isn't it rumored that the gun was accindentally fired? This should in no way affect Hauck's reputation. He has been a good coach, had great recruiting classes and piled up a lot of wins. All with very little off the field issues.

As far as Jason Washington... Why does everyone think he has such great charector? Because he opened up a rim shop? The guy was a total bust and couldn't get over it. He sucked and was wasting a scholarship. He should have been busting his ass, but he let his poor me attitude and total denial of his lack of ability get in the way. Plus he is a huge D-Bag, trust me.

Lastly, what has O'Day done? Scheduled a few cream-puff games. Big deal! If anyone on this board would have actually been fans before 2001 they would realize that this was a common practice in the Don Read era. Look back at the 1995 schedule, we played Minnesotta-Duluth for god's sake. If you want better competition then quit whining about people wanting to move up a division. The athletic program is just being realistic and taking into account the fact that half of our cry-baby bandwagon fanbase, would quit coming to games if we didn't win them all.

This is indeed a sad situation. I have read all the posts on all the boards, BN, AGS, BigSky and now it is time to add a thought or two.

Regarding repsonsibility, ie, who's is it to monitor the actions of the players; I do not expect that every coach will know everything that their players are doing off the field. That would not be realistic. However, somebody should have a clue about a player's personality and proprensity to questionable behavior. Rather that be a teammate or a fellow student. In this day and age nobody wants to be a "rat" or get involved. But the sad result is that most of the people that put themselves in position to be involved in fights in bars, parties involving drug use, around those that are selling drugs all on a CONSISTANT basis are putting themselves at risk for bad things that will follow. I am not so old to expect every student to stay home or in the dorm all the time and not socialize. But I have also been around long enough to know that kids that are constantly in fights in social settings are not going to go unnoticed nor are the kids that are constantly around the drug scene. Somebody knows something!

I will submit that those types of kids (players) ought to be indentified to members of the team, team captains, somebody. Everyone is accountable for their actions including members of the Griz athletics. There is no place for them. I will pay a lot of money out of my own pocket for my daughter to get a good education at UM and I am sickened to hear about athletes that abuse the privilege of a free education and the adulation that comes with being a good athlete.

So don't stick your head in the sand when things happen that you know are wrong. If nothing is done to resolve the bad behavior than tell someone else until you feel that the issue has been addressed. Doing nothing only increases the odds of worse things happening in the long run. Who knows what the result of an intervention would have done in the lives of those young men in Missoula and Bozeman. Somebody will show leadership and address the problem. Failure to do so demands an explanation and the result of severe repercussions.

Now for the positive, I choose to think of those boys like Craig Ochs and many others that brought the message of God to their teammates. Watching our players and members of the opposing team meet in the middle of the field after every game to give thanks is very special to me. On some levels that is the best part of the whole experience for me on game day. I will not let the actions of one take away the pride I feel for the many, many good young men that work their rearends off every day of the year so that we can enjoy our passion for the game on Saturdays.

This to will pass for all the good people of the Bobcat and Griz nation. Hopefully we all will learn something from it so that we don't have to see our beloved state institutions viewed like this again. We must hold each other accountable and be proud of those that exemplify the best of our youth.

GtFllsFan wrote:This is indeed a sad situation. I have read all the posts on all the boards, BN, AGS, BigSky and now it is time to add a thought or two.

Regarding repsonsibility, ie, who's is it to monitor the actions of the players; I do not expect that every coach will know everything that their players are doing off the field. That would not be realistic. However, somebody should have a clue about a player's personality and proprensity to questionable behavior. Rather that be a teammate or a fellow student. In this day and age nobody wants to be a "rat" or get involved. But the sad result is that most of the people that put themselves in position to be involved in fights in bars, parties involving drug use, around those that are selling drugs all on a CONSISTANT basis are putting themselves at risk for bad things that will follow. I am not so old to expect every student to stay home or in the dorm all the time and not socialize. But I have also been around long enough to know that kids that are constantly in fights in social settings are not going to go unnoticed nor are the kids that are constantly around the drug scene. Somebody knows something!

I will submit that those types of kids (players) ought to be indentified to members of the team, team captains, somebody. Everyone is accountable for their actions including members of the Griz athletics. There is no place for them. I will pay a lot of money out of my own pocket for my daughter to get a good education at UM and I am sickened to hear about athletes that abuse the privilege of a free education and the adulation that comes with being a good athlete.

So don't stick your head in the sand when things happen that you know are wrong. If nothing is done to resolve the bad behavior than tell someone else until you feel that the issue has been addressed. Doing nothing only increases the odds of worse things happening in the long run. Who knows what the result of an intervention would have done in the lives of those young men in Missoula and Bozeman. Somebody will show leadership and address the problem. Failure to do so demands an explanation and the result of severe repercussions.

Now for the positive, I choose to think of those boys like Craig Ochs and many others that brought the message of God to their teammates. Watching our players and members of the opposing team meet in the middle of the field after every game to give thanks is very special to me. On some levels that is the best part of the whole experience for me on game day. I will not let the actions of one take away the pride I feel for the many, many good young men that work their rearends off every day of the year so that we can enjoy our passion for the game on Saturdays.

This to will pass for all the good people of the Bobcat and Griz nation. Hopefully we all will learn something from it so that we don't have to see our beloved state institutions viewed like this again. We must hold each other accountable and be proud of those that exemplify the best of our youth.

Not trying to refute what you said.....you make some good points.....but I haven't yet heard (from any reliable source at least) that the JW's actions were carried out in order to further a drug conspiracy. It seems like an extremely tragic loss of someone's temper and emotions.

For those who are griping about the posters on here that
have "known all along" but have remained silent...

I hate to break it to you but on the Grizzly football team there are plenty of kids that are involved in shady activities. There are cocaine users and drug dealers. There are kids who should have received D.U.I.'s but have gotten the charges swept under the rug. I am here to tell you, there are rotten eggs all over the program. Some of these guys are very charming and great players so it's easy to overlook that they may be involved in illegal activities but that doesn't make it right.

For some reason the Missoula community has elevated the football team to such God-like status that everyone (fans, coaches, peers) decide that we should just ignore the wrongs that these guys are committing. We need to realize they should be treated exactly how everyone else is, but their not.

While it's likely true that no program is as squeaky clean as fans would like, to make the accusations you've made just now without providing specific examples is not only irresponsible, but just serves to .

I guess that's only to be expected from someone with your chosen screen name.

Drew wrote:

IntuitiveGriz wrote:With Harris having exhausted his eligibility, Jackson steps into a starting role.

And with Wilson doing the unthinkable , Freeman replaces Wilson.

I wouldn't be surprised if ISU transfer Pate grabs one of those starting spots actually.

You left off the

"Based just on that depth chart:"

With Harris having exhausted his eligibility, Jackson steps into a starting role.

And with Wilson doing the unthinkable #shocked, Freeman replaces Wilson.

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I was just basing what was likely to happen off of the semi-final game depth chart.

Who knows who will actually start game 1 of the 2007 season? Starters could, and often do, change throughout the season.

Maybe JR Tim Parks could surpass one of the players above him. Maybe FR Jeremey Pate (whom I've seen play RB at Silverado High School in the southwest part of Las Vegas)?

Hopefully the two new HS kids (Olson, Starr) can red-shirt, but they'll have to be ready in 2008 to make a contribution with all of our SR CBs graduating (Jackson, Clark, Freeman) in 2007 and leaving us with only SR Parks and SR Dwyer and SO Pate in 2008.

I'm assuming that is how we got Olson (who could have chose Hawaii) and Starr...in that they'll play a lot of games here over the years.

I was not implying at all that JW was involved in drugs. I was making reference to all that has happened in Bozeman as well. It doesn't matter if it is selling drugs or fighting in bars or wielding guns. Those activities should not be kept in the shaddows. Those that have direct knowledge need to make them known to someone if they are more than one time events. It seems that a lot of posters are now coming forward with their accounts of events that took place. My point is; no one lives in a vaccum. We cannot hold the coach, captains, AD accountable if they have no idea what is going on.

Do you really think that I'm gonna come on here and name names? Do you think that I should? I am a Grizzly athlete, I see these things and I have been around these guys while they're in their worst form. Like I said before in this thread, I've been hit in the back of the head by Jimmy. Why would I lie about this other stuff? How do I know that their are dealers on the team? Because I have friends who have bought from them. To quote a great movie, "You want the truth? You can't handle the truth!" It's a lot easier to cheer for the Griz from a distance but when you share a weight room, locker room, classroom, and downtown with these guys you gain a great amount of insight to how some of them are complete jerks that are involved in illegal activities ( some are really nice guys that are involved in illegal activities) I have no reason to get on here with my free time and spread lies. Just because you haven't heard of all these infractions doesn't mean it's not happening. My post was to help point out that there are plenty of others doing illegal things but our community will continue to choose to believe that we have a team full of angels.

Explosive 1 wrote:For those who are griping about the posters on here that
have "known all along" but have remained silent...

I hate to break it to you but on the Grizzly football team there are plenty of kids that are involved in shady activities. There are cocaine users and drug dealers. There are kids who should have received D.U.I.'s but have gotten the charges swept under the rug. I am here to tell you, there are rotten eggs all over the program. Some of these guys are very charming and great players so it's easy to overlook that they may be involved in illegal activities but that doesn't make it right.

For some reason the Missoula community has elevated the football team to such God-like status that everyone (fans, coaches, peers) decide that we should just ignore the wrongs that these guys are committing. We need to realize they should be treated exactly how everyone else is, but their not.

I too, have heard of William Wallace.

William Wallace is seven feet tall! Yes, I've heard. Kills men by the hundreds. And if HE were here, he'd consume the English with fireballs from his eyes, and bolts of lightning from his arse.

shahan wrote:

Drew wrote:

ronbo wrote:Pate is a RS freshman from Las Vegas. The ISU player is Erik Stoll who is a strong safety and a good one too. Erik has to redshirt this season because of the transfer.

Maybe that's the name I was thinking. For some reason I thought he was a corner. I just remember there was some ISU DB who looked real promising.

I still cannot believe that you are worried about the depth chart right now. Children have lost their father! That is what you should be worried about.

There are times in life where Griz football is not the most important thing on earth. This, is most definately one of them.

I still cannot believe how ignorant you are right now. I know children have lost their father! That is what I AM worried about.

I know there are times in life where Griz football is not the most important thing on earth. But HOW does quickly answering a post on who will replace Wilson MEAN that I am not worried about children losing their father?!?! GET REAL

Oh, by the way, Missoula recently lost a drug dealer. Reportedly he was just arrested in California on murder charges.

Explosive 1 wrote:Oh, by the way, Missoula recently lost a drug dealer. Reportedly he was just arrested in California on murder charges.

Explosive 1 what happened to the tag line "second best Athlete in Msla to Mcgillis"?

Proud Griz Man wrote:

Explosive 1 wrote:For those who are griping about the posters on here that
have "known all along" but have remained silent...

I hate to break it to you but on the Grizzly football team there are plenty of kids that are involved in shady activities. There are cocaine users and drug dealers. There are kids who should have received D.U.I.'s but have gotten the charges swept under the rug. I am here to tell you, there are rotten eggs all over the program. Some of these guys are very charming and great players so it's easy to overlook that they may be involved in illegal activities but that doesn't make it right.

For some reason the Missoula community has elevated the football team to such God-like status that everyone (fans, coaches, peers) decide that we should just ignore the wrongs that these guys are committing. We need to realize they should be treated exactly how everyone else is, but their not.

I too, have heard of William Wallace.

William Wallace is seven feet tall! Yes, I've heard. Kills men by the hundreds. And if HE were here, he'd consume the English with fireballs from his eyes, and bolts of lightning from his arse.

The reason nobody hears of this stuff is because nobody wants to hear it. It's amazing that everyone can be that naive to think that we have only one bad apple amongst the football team. Come on, think about your law of averages.

I'm done with this if you want to ridicule a great source.
Let's all talk about how big and fast Lex is. That won't ruffle any feathers.

buckey wrote:From what i understand, Jimmy was back in missoula working out with the team after the incedent. He then left when he came up as a suspect, and turned himself in.

What happened was Jimmy's aunt was being ruffed up by her husband, and Jimmy responded. Supposidly Jimmy just went over just to scare the man, but the gun "accidentally went off" and killed the man. Its a very sad situation, which has ruined many people's lifes. Jimmy is a very nice young man, and put himself in a very bad situation. I hope for the best of everyone affected by this tradgety.

Did the gun have a safety switch?

ronbo wrote:Anyone want to tell me why the bars in Missoula are allowed to serve 19 and 20 year olds? Has Jimmy been going out to the downtown bars for a couple years? You know he's just 20. If these bars are serving minors they shoud be shut down.

What planet are you on, Ronbo! This is university life at its best. You won't find a city in Montana that has a college or university that doesn't have bars serving minors. It's the unwritten rule in college towns. Minors get served. The activity of the weekend is booze, drugs and sex and nobody raises an eyebrow. Have you looked around before a Griz Game? You'd be hard pressed to find too many sober students in the student body. This conduct is accepted by society. Hell, adults are contributing to these underaged students. Then we wonder why bad things happen as a result of drugs, alcohol, etc. Do you think Jimmy was stone cold sober when he did what he allegedly did in downtown Missoula? I think not! In fact, a good majority of crime is a result of alcohol or drugs. I think the U of M took a proactive approach to this issue several years ago when they shut down the tailgates at gametime.

This is big news right now but it's not the end of the world! It will die down, and the coaches will find a suitable replacement for JW. I have full confidence that the Griz football players will rise to the occasion come August. Let's start thinking more positive and show our support for the GRIZ.

Explosive1, Really? you sound like one very angry young person. If what you say is true why don't you tell someone that can actually do something about it? I do not live in Missoula so my knowledge of all the activity there is limited. But I do have friends there that would see that your concerns are addressed.

IntuitiveGriz wrote:

shahan wrote:

Drew wrote:

ronbo wrote:Pate is a RS freshman from Las Vegas. The ISU player is Erik Stoll who is a strong safety and a good one too. Erik has to redshirt this season because of the transfer.

Maybe that's the name I was thinking. For some reason I thought he was a corner. I just remember there was some ISU DB who looked real promising.

I still cannot believe that you are worried about the depth chart right now. Children have lost their father! That is what you should be worried about.

There are times in life where Griz football is not the most important thing on earth. This, is most definately one of them.

I still cannot believe how ignorant you are right now. I know children have lost their father! That is what I AM worried about.

I know there are times in life where Griz football is not the most important thing on earth. But HOW does quickly answering a post on who will replace Wilson MEAN that I am not worried about children losing their father?!?! GET REAL

All my point was is that people should be worrying about other things at that time. If that bothers you, sorry.

Explosive 1 wrote:.......Just because you haven't heard of all these infractions doesn't mean it's not happening. My post was to help point out that there are plenty of others doing illegal things but our community will continue to choose to believe that we have a team full of angels.

Following your logic I suppose that because no one has proved there aren't members of al-Qaeda on the team it must mean that there are members of the team that are also members of al-Qaeda? Right?

Until you tell us who you are, who the specific players are, and which members of law enforcement have ignored their transgressions and when.......we get to laugh at you.

tampa_griz wrote:

Explosive 1 wrote:.......Just because you haven't heard of all these infractions doesn't mean it's not happening. My post was to help point out that there are plenty of others doing illegal things but our community will continue to choose to believe that we have a team full of angels.

Following your logic I suppose that because no one has proved there aren't members of al-Qaeda on the team it must mean that there are members of the team that are also members of al-Qaeda? Right?

Until you tell us who you are, who the specific players are, and which members of law enforcement have ignored their transgressions and when.......we get to laugh at you.

The benefits of posting on a board like this, you can hide behind a screen name. Explosive1 seems to know all of this great inside info on the team, etc etc etc. However it doesn't surface until a major incident occurs, however he wont name names or let us know his connection b/c it would more than likley prove he was wrong.

Now I know university athletes are usually given passes for things that many of "us" would not. It happens here and it happens everywhere, thats life, I suppose. However I really doubt his accusations about this team are totaly true.

Oh an Tampa, the AQ member on the Griz, is Chris Carpenter.

Ok, ten pages and this turned south. If someone wants to start a healthy discussion, go ahead.