This is a Griz message board, I don't see how you can fault somebody for trying to relate this news to the Griz football squad. And personally, as far as mourning over Wilson's personal losses such as education and football... if Jimmy did this, then he doesn't even deserve my condolences. But I'll hold my judgement until we learn more on the story.

sid2000 wrote:As of now it isn't looking good for Wilson. Usually when a person turns himself in to the authorities it's a pretty good sign that they are guilty of the crime....

The quote from sid2000 stopped me in my reading tracks. I am a lawyer with a great deal of litigation experience. For 20 years I did a lot of criminal defense work (burned out on it...just civil litigation now). Many people accused of crimes "turn themselves in" and it has nothing to do with the actual facts or the eventual outcome in the case. Most people simply recognize that if the cops are looking for them, it doesn't do a lot of good to hide. Plus, based on a couple of news items I read about Wilson, the dead guy was shot days ago and it may have been one of those cases in which the State was investigating (and waiting to see if the guy died) before charging out the matter. For all the readers of this message board (me included) know, Wilson had a lawyer shortly after the incident occurred and the lawyer told law enforcement that when they're ready to move on it, give him a call and Wilson will voluntarily come it BECAUSE HE HAS NOTHING TO HIDE.

Right now, its all speculation but one cannot draw a conclusion that things look bad for the accused simply because accused cooperated in the arrest procedure. (sid2000: you prefer the OJ car chase method of arrest? )

Incidents like this tend to put a cloud on a program. I wish the Griz well because for a while, these events, like the events down the road at MSU, take a little gloss off the program. But, you'll get through it.

I'm not quick to jump to conclusions, but the fact that JW "allegedly" drove to this guy's house, shot him in his driveway, and then turned himself in doesn't indicate that there is a lot of doubt about the matter. I'd be suprised if he ever steps foot in MT again. I'm not a detective or lawyer, but it sounds to me like he planned it out, knew what he was doing, and did it. (first degree?)

Also, I don't think there were many, if any, Griz fans that took genuine delight at MSU's misfortunes. I think many just used the events as examples to continue to criticize Kramer's dependence on recruiting California players, particularly JC's. It's unfortunate that events like these perpetuate stereotypes about an entire state/culture.

Can we fire Hauck now??

If you know Jimmy at all this is no suprise...

From what I've heard from a former room mate of Jimmy's, there is a lot more to this than a shooting in a driveway. Self defense while helping a family member in a bad situation is the story. I'm not saying what i've heard is absolute fact but the explaination of the incident was sincere. This person is also very worried about Jimmy and his family do to the shadiness of the other guy involved.
All I can say is I hope what I've been told is the truth, because if it is he'll be OK.

JackJD wrote:

sid2000 wrote:As of now it isn't looking good for Wilson. Usually when a person turns himself in to the authorities it's a pretty good sign that they are guilty of the crime....

The quote from sid2000 stopped me in my reading tracks. I am a lawyer with a great deal of litigation experience. For 20 years I did a lot of criminal defense work (burned out on it...just civil litigation now). Many people accused of crimes "turn themselves in" and it has nothing to do with the actual facts or the eventual outcome in the case. Most people simply recognize that if the cops are looking for them, it doesn't do a lot of good to hide. Plus, based on a couple of news items I read about Wilson, the dead guy was shot days ago and it may have been one of those cases in which the State was investigating (and waiting to see if the guy died) before charging out the matter. For all the readers of this message board (me included) know, Wilson had a lawyer shortly after the incident occurred and the lawyer told law enforcement that when they're ready to move on it, give him a call and Wilson will voluntarily come it BECAUSE HE HAS NOTHING TO HIDE.

Right now, its all speculation but one cannot draw a conclusion that things look bad for the accused simply because accused cooperated in the arrest procedure. (sid2000: you prefer the OJ car chase method of arrest? )

Incidents like this tend to put a cloud on a program. I wish the Griz well because for a while, these events, like the events down the road at MSU, take a little gloss off the program. But, you'll get through it.

And why exactly would Jimmy have a lawyer shortly after the incident occurred and then turn himself to the police without having been involved with the shooting of the victim? Even if this was in self-defense or not, things aren't looking very promising here. I guess we'll all find out more as the story progresses today.

Can I ask one question:

Anybody know why Jimmy wasn't in Msla running and lifting his ass off for Summer conditioning?

sid2000 wrote:As of now it isn't looking good for Wilson. Usually when a person turns himself in to the authorities it's a pretty good sign that they are guilty of the crime. This is sad news for Jimmy Wilson, his family, the victim, the victim's family and Griznation. This just seems like bad karma kicking us in the butt for all the trash talking some Griz fans have done for the events in Bozeman. We'll have to wait and see what comes of this situation.

Oh, really? Following this convoluted logic we can assume someone is innocent if he runs from the law?

Silvertip wrote:

sid2000 wrote:As of now it isn't looking good for Wilson. Usually when a person turns himself in to the authorities it's a pretty good sign that they are guilty of the crime. This is sad news for Jimmy Wilson, his family, the victim, the victim's family and Griznation. This just seems like bad karma kicking us in the butt for all the trash talking some Griz fans have done for the events in Bozeman. We'll have to wait and see what comes of this situation.

Oh, really? Following this convoluted logic we can assume someone is innocent if he runs from the law?

That's the dumbest statement I've read on here today. Maybe I shouldn't have used the word guilty, but rather associated with or has knowledge of what happened at the scene of the crime. You don't turn yourself into the authorities unless you're involved. Turning yourself into the authorities is easier and looks better than having the police come and arrest you.

Can I ask one question:

Anybody know why Jimmy wasn't in Msla running and lifting his ass off for Summer conditioning?

He obviously had business to take care of. Jeez....

jagur1 wrote:Can I ask one question:

Anybody know why Jimmy wasn't in Msla running and lifting his ass off for Summer conditioning?

From what I know, which isn't concrete, he has a tear in his shoulder which needs surgury. He had the choice of having surgury and sitting out a year, or just going until it gives out. He decided to just go for it until the minor tear completely tears. There was little chance that he would have made it through the whole season.

In general though, out of state players don't get to see their families that much. June is just about the only time of the year they can get home. Football takes up all of July and August. I don't have a problem with players going home for a few weeks in the summer.

of course it is all speculation...no one knows jack. The guy Wilson shot...might have pulled a gun on him or who knows????

One comment above is correct "Why wasn't Wilson in Missoula practicing????" If you are going to bring in inner city kids from the big city, you should make sure that they don't go back to the inner city in the summer. That's where all the trouble starts.

First off I don't even think it is legal by the NCAA to force any kid to stay at the U during summer for practice. These things are usually voluntary. Now if you want to start then it is your best interest to be there.

And I am getting about sick of the "inner city" posts on this board. Its terrible and disgusting to even hear how many ignorant people we have out there in Grizland.

ForShizzleGrizzle wrote:First off I don't even think it is legal by the NCAA to force any kid to stay at the U during summer for practice. These things are usually voluntary. Now if you want to start then it is your best interest to be there.

And I am getting about sick of the "inner city" posts on this board. Its terrible and disgusting to even hear how many ignorant people we have out there in Grizland.

Wasn't it already proven Jimmy wasn't from the Inner city.

That was mentioned but it still is pretty stupid to make comments like that. I don't think we should let any of the farm boys go home either. I have heard of a ton of accidents happening when they get there arms caught in farm equipment.

ForShizzleGrizzle wrote:That was mentioned but it still is pretty stupid to make comments like that. I don't think we should let any of the farm boys go home either. I have heard of a ton of accidents happening when they get there arms caught in farm equipment.

You have to be able to let kids see their family and go back to their home. They're already under enough pressure the way it is, I don't see any problem letting the kids go home for the summer to get away from everything and regroup for the coming year.

Thats what I said in a previous post. The farm boy comment was a smart ass remark.

Most of the articles mention his arraignment is today, anybody have a clue as to what time?

ForShizzleGrizzle wrote:That was mentioned but it still is pretty stupid to make comments like that. I don't think we should let any of the farm boys go home either. I have heard of a ton of accidents happening when they get there arms caught in farm equipment.

Hasn't every MT athlete arrested been black? Not just a coincidence... so don't go saying that the MT farm boys are just as bad.

Drew wrote:

ForShizzleGrizzle wrote:That was mentioned but it still is pretty stupid to make comments like that. I don't think we should let any of the farm boys go home either. I have heard of a ton of accidents happening when they get there arms caught in farm equipment.

Hasn't every MT athlete arrested been black? Not just a coincidence... so don't go saying that the MT farm boys are just as bad.

So you are going to respond to his obviously sarcastic remark with a post full of ignorant stereotyping? Clever... yet lame.

Turd Ferguson wrote:Also, I don't think there were many, if any, Griz fans that took genuine delight at MSU's misfortunes. I think many just used the events as examples to continue to criticize Kramer's dependence on recruiting California players, particularly JC's. It's unfortunate that events like these perpetuate stereotypes about an entire state/culture.

I keep on reading about the evils of recruiting California players on both E-Griz and Bobcat Nation, but you can recruit bad character kids from any state. It does not matter what state the kid comes from, but the character of the kid.

Not that it can not happen at Cal Poly and UC Davis, but both teams rosters are made up almost entirely of California players and it is almost unheard of to read about a player at either school ending up in a police report. Like I said, it could happen any where, but California is a big state with a huge population and there are plenty of high character kids to recruit.

My thoughts are with both Jimmy Wilson's family, the family of the victim's family and especially the kid's that were left fatherless.

The Real World wrote:

Drew wrote:

ForShizzleGrizzle wrote:That was mentioned but it still is pretty stupid to make comments like that. I don't think we should let any of the farm boys go home either. I have heard of a ton of accidents happening when they get there arms caught in farm equipment.

Hasn't every MT athlete arrested been black? Not just a coincidence... so don't go saying that the MT farm boys are just as bad.

So you are going to respond to his obviously sarcastic remark with a post full of ignorant stereotyping? Clever... yet lame.

I seem to have missed the clever part.

sid2000 wrote:

JackJD wrote:

sid2000 wrote:As of now it isn't looking good for Wilson. Usually when a person turns himself in to the authorities it's a pretty good sign that they are guilty of the crime....

The quote from sid2000 stopped me in my reading tracks. I am a lawyer with a great deal of litigation experience. For 20 years I did a lot of criminal defense work (burned out on it...just civil litigation now). Many people accused of crimes "turn themselves in" and it has nothing to do with the actual facts or the eventual outcome in the case. Most people simply recognize that if the cops are looking for them, it doesn't do a lot of good to hide. Plus, based on a couple of news items I read about Wilson, the dead guy was shot days ago and it may have been one of those cases in which the State was investigating (and waiting to see if the guy died) before charging out the matter. For all the readers of this message board (me included) know, Wilson had a lawyer shortly after the incident occurred and the lawyer told law enforcement that when they're ready to move on it, give him a call and Wilson will voluntarily come it BECAUSE HE HAS NOTHING TO HIDE.

Right now, its all speculation but one cannot draw a conclusion that things look bad for the accused simply because accused cooperated in the arrest procedure. (sid2000: you prefer the OJ car chase method of arrest? )

Incidents like this tend to put a cloud on a program. I wish the Griz well because for a while, these events, like the events down the road at MSU, take a little gloss off the program. But, you'll get through it.

And why exactly would Jimmy have a lawyer shortly after the incident occurred and then turn himself to the police without having been involved with the shooting of the victim? Even if this was in self-defense or not, things aren't looking very promising here. I guess we'll all find out more as the story progresses today.

If police are looking at charging you with a crime and you don't get a lawyer, you are one stupid human being.

There’s a lot to be explained in this story. Police don’t say why they suspect JW, other than to say there’d been some altercation between the victim and the mother of the victim’s children, not between Jimmy and the victim.
The newspaper seems to be implying that Jimmy’s family relationship with this woman—who for some reason is not being identified--is somehow behind JW’s involvement. It seems odd though that police can’t explain what this relationship is, which probably means the two people most capable of explaining the connection, Jimmy and the woman, aren’t talking to police.
Other than the above mentioned relationship, police haven’t really said why they suspect Jimmy.
The story still refers to the shooter as unidentified, which suggests there probably isn’t a strong eyewitness. Did someone identify the car, but not the person driving it? If the car was Jimmy’s, that would make him a likely suspect, but that alone probably wouldn’t be enough to charge him. Did they find the gun? Did they find gsr on Jimmy or inside his car?
Also, Jimmy Wilson didn’t just drive to the police station and turn himself in. He was free for nearly two weeks, long enough to contact a lawyer and come up with a strategy for handling these allegations. He doesn’t seem to have been interviewed by police and when he is, he probably won’t be saying much because he already has an attorney.
Chances are, the details in this case won’t be revealed until trial.

Jimmy is no longer listed on the roster on montanagrizzlies.com. He was still listed as of last night. Apparently, the team is not taking a wait-and-see approach to this.