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Postby The Real World on Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:43 am

Drew wrote:
ForShizzleGrizzle wrote:That was mentioned but it still is pretty stupid to make comments like that. I don't think we should let any of the farm boys go home either. I have heard of a ton of accidents happening when they get there arms caught in farm equipment.

Hasn't every MT athlete arrested been black? Not just a coincidence... so don't go saying that the MT farm boys are just as bad.



So you are going to respond to his obviously sarcastic remark with a post full of ignorant stereotyping? Clever... yet lame.
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Postby SloStang on Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:57 am

Turd Ferguson wrote:Also, I don't think there were many, if any, Griz fans that took genuine delight at MSU's misfortunes. I think many just used the events as examples to continue to criticize Kramer's dependence on recruiting California players, particularly JC's. It's unfortunate that events like these perpetuate stereotypes about an entire state/culture.

I keep on reading about the evils of recruiting California players on both E-Griz and Bobcat Nation, but you can recruit bad character kids from any state. It does not matter what state the kid comes from, but the character of the kid.

Not that it can not happen at Cal Poly and UC Davis, but both teams rosters are made up almost entirely of California players and it is almost unheard of to read about a player at either school ending up in a police report. Like I said, it could happen any where, but California is a big state with a huge population and there are plenty of high character kids to recruit.

My thoughts are with both Jimmy Wilson's family, the family of the victim's family and especially the kid's that were left fatherless.
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Postby Sportin' Life on Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:00 am

The Real World wrote:
Drew wrote:
ForShizzleGrizzle wrote:That was mentioned but it still is pretty stupid to make comments like that. I don't think we should let any of the farm boys go home either. I have heard of a ton of accidents happening when they get there arms caught in farm equipment.

Hasn't every MT athlete arrested been black? Not just a coincidence... so don't go saying that the MT farm boys are just as bad.



So you are going to respond to his obviously sarcastic remark with a post full of ignorant stereotyping? Clever... yet lame.


I seem to have missed the clever part.
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Postby WA Griz on Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:03 am

sid2000 wrote:
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sid2000 wrote:As of now it isn't looking good for Wilson. Usually when a person turns himself in to the authorities it's a pretty good sign that they are guilty of the crime....


The quote from sid2000 stopped me in my reading tracks. I am a lawyer with a great deal of litigation experience. For 20 years I did a lot of criminal defense work (burned out on it...just civil litigation now). Many people accused of crimes "turn themselves in" and it has nothing to do with the actual facts or the eventual outcome in the case. Most people simply recognize that if the cops are looking for them, it doesn't do a lot of good to hide. Plus, based on a couple of news items I read about Wilson, the dead guy was shot days ago and it may have been one of those cases in which the State was investigating (and waiting to see if the guy died) before charging out the matter. For all the readers of this message board (me included) know, Wilson had a lawyer shortly after the incident occurred and the lawyer told law enforcement that when they're ready to move on it, give him a call and Wilson will voluntarily come it BECAUSE HE HAS NOTHING TO HIDE.

Right now, its all speculation but one cannot draw a conclusion that things look bad for the accused simply because accused cooperated in the arrest procedure. (sid2000: you prefer the OJ car chase method of arrest? )

Incidents like this tend to put a cloud on a program. I wish the Griz well because for a while, these events, like the events down the road at MSU, take a little gloss off the program. But, you'll get through it.


And why exactly would Jimmy have a lawyer shortly after the incident occurred and then turn himself to the police without having been involved with the shooting of the victim? Even if this was in self-defense or not, things aren't looking very promising here. I guess we'll all find out more as the story progresses today.


If police are looking at charging you with a crime and you don't get a lawyer, you are one stupid human being.

There’s a lot to be explained in this story. Police don’t say why they suspect JW, other than to say there’d been some altercation between the victim and the mother of the victim’s children, not between Jimmy and the victim.
The newspaper seems to be implying that Jimmy’s family relationship with this woman—who for some reason is not being identified--is somehow behind JW’s involvement. It seems odd though that police can’t explain what this relationship is, which probably means the two people most capable of explaining the connection, Jimmy and the woman, aren’t talking to police.
Other than the above mentioned relationship, police haven’t really said why they suspect Jimmy.
The story still refers to the shooter as unidentified, which suggests there probably isn’t a strong eyewitness. Did someone identify the car, but not the person driving it? If the car was Jimmy’s, that would make him a likely suspect, but that alone probably wouldn’t be enough to charge him. Did they find the gun? Did they find gsr on Jimmy or inside his car?
Also, Jimmy Wilson didn’t just drive to the police station and turn himself in. He was free for nearly two weeks, long enough to contact a lawyer and come up with a strategy for handling these allegations. He doesn’t seem to have been interviewed by police and when he is, he probably won’t be saying much because he already has an attorney.
Chances are, the details in this case won’t be revealed until trial.
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Postby bad influence on Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:07 am

Jimmy is no longer listed on the roster on montanagrizzlies.com. He was still listed as of last night. Apparently, the team is not taking a wait-and-see approach to this.
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Postby 100%GRIZ on Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:08 am

INNOCENT until proven guilty!!! And who knows what the circimstances may have been!!!!

Question - So what is the Coaches duties here, completely stay on the sidelines, go visit the player, talk to the family? What the heck can or should he do? Just really curious as to what a coach can do in a situation like this!!!
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Postby Drew on Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:09 am

Baller1 wrote:If you know Jimmy at all this is no suprise...

Pray tell what you mean by this? You know him personally?
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Postby Shakermaker on Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:13 am

GRIZFAN20 wrote:This is terrible news. It is sad that Wilson put himself in this position and that the Griz lost a quality player.


A quality player we may have lost, but I'll pass on a quality player if he's not a quality person. If any of this is true... and if the facts don't show otherwise.
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Postby free jimmy #18 on Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:52 am

Mr. Jimmy Wilson was probably one of the best corners in 1-aa and will be missed.I know him on a personel level and he is one of the most loyal individual i have ever been around.And this is a family issue he delt with.Most people in the same situation would have tried to handle it on their own.And if it comes as no suprise too many that didnt know him like i did u didnt know the true Jimmy Wilson.All that i have to say is no one can talk smack about a great corner and even more important, a genuine, great individual.
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Postby Shakermaker on Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:00 pm

free jimmy #18 wrote:Mr. Jimmy Wilson was probably one of the best corners in 1-aa and will be missed.I know him on a personel level and he is one of the most loyal individual i have ever been around.And this is a family issue he delt with.Most people in the same situation would have tried to handle it on their own.And if it comes as no suprise too many that didnt know him like i did u didnt know the true Jimmy Wilson.All that i have to say is no one can talk smack about a great corner and even more important, a genuine, great individual.


Well, thanks for showing up as free jimmy #18... why didn't you post with your real egriz name? I hope Jimmy is found to have done this in self defense, but showing up to the victims home and allegedly shooting him in any other driveway but his own (Jimmy's) will make it hard to go with a self defense claim.

Awaiting more information from the press.
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Postby The Real World on Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:11 pm

Sportin' Life wrote:
The Real World wrote:
Drew wrote:
ForShizzleGrizzle wrote:That was mentioned but it still is pretty stupid to make comments like that. I don't think we should let any of the farm boys go home either. I have heard of a ton of accidents happening when they get there arms caught in farm equipment.

Hasn't every MT athlete arrested been black? Not just a coincidence... so don't go saying that the MT farm boys are just as bad.



So you are going to respond to his obviously sarcastic remark with a post full of ignorant stereotyping? Clever... yet lame.


I seem to have missed the clever part.


Nothing clever about it. I too was being sarcastic, later realized that my post didnt come off that way but by that time it was too late to edit it.
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Postby zengriz on Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:19 pm

free jimmy #18 wrote:Mr. Jimmy Wilson was probably one of the best corners in 1-aa and will be missed.I know him on a personel level and he is one of the most loyal individual i have ever been around.And this is a family issue he delt with.Most people in the same situation would have tried to handle it on their own.And if it comes as no suprise too many that didnt know him like i did u didnt know the true Jimmy Wilson.All that i have to say is no one can talk smack about a great corner and even more important, a genuine, great individual.


...a post with light..at the end of the tunnel...
...met him one time...lets get the facts...
...before making any premature judgements...

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Postby Forshizzlegrizzle on Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:24 pm

...there is no i in team...


Wow words of wisdom.

By far the funniest thing I have read on this thread. Oh ya but there is and M and an E. ME.

I hate that saying.

I can't help but point and laugh. :laugh: :laugh:
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Postby grizadam on Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:36 pm

zengriz wrote:
free jimmy #18 wrote:Mr. Jimmy Wilson was probably one of the best corners in 1-aa and will be missed.I know him on a personel level and he is one of the most loyal individual i have ever been around.And this is a family issue he delt with.Most people in the same situation would have tried to handle it on their own.And if it comes as no suprise too many that didnt know him like i did u didnt know the true Jimmy Wilson.All that i have to say is no one can talk smack about a great corner and even more important, a genuine, great individual.


...a post with light..at the end of the tunnel...
...met him one time...lets get the facts...
...before making any premature judgements...

...there is no i in team...


but there is 2 in Indictment
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Postby Forshizzlegrizzle on Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:41 pm

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Postby DuCharme on Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:44 pm

ForShizzleGrizzle wrote:
...there is no i in team...


Wow words of wisdom.

By far the funniest thing I have read on this thread. Oh ya but there is and M and an E. ME.

I hate that saying.

I can't help but point and laugh. :laugh: :laugh:


:offtopic: LMAO! I've always said and thought the same thing. There IS a 'm' and 'e' in 'team'. :thumb:
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Postby Turd Ferguson on Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:52 pm

Drew wrote:
ForShizzleGrizzle wrote:That was mentioned but it still is pretty stupid to make comments like that. I don't think we should let any of the farm boys go home either. I have heard of a ton of accidents happening when they get there arms caught in farm equipment.

Hasn't every MT athlete arrested been black? Not just a coincidence... so don't go saying that the MT farm boys are just as bad.


That's a pretty retarded thing to say for someone who has never been to Missoula and has been following the Griz for about a year.
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Postby Turd Ferguson on Thu Jun 14, 2007 1:02 pm

SloStang wrote:
Turd Ferguson wrote:Also, I don't think there were many, if any, Griz fans that took genuine delight at MSU's misfortunes. I think many just used the events as examples to continue to criticize Kramer's dependence on recruiting California players, particularly JC's. It's unfortunate that events like these perpetuate stereotypes about an entire state/culture.

I keep on reading about the evils of recruiting California players on both E-Griz and Bobcat Nation, but you can recruit bad character kids from any state. It does not matter what state the kid comes from, but the character of the kid.

Not that it can not happen at Cal Poly and UC Davis, but both teams rosters are made up almost entirely of California players and it is almost unheard of to read about a player at either school ending up in a police report. Like I said, it could happen any where, but California is a big state with a huge population and there are plenty of high character kids to recruit.

My thoughts are with both Jimmy Wilson's family, the family of the victim's family and especially the kid's that were left fatherless.


Of course CA athletes aren't inherently bad people, but MSU has over 40 California players or something like that, many of whom are JC's and don't graduate, and thus they have earned the nickname "Cal-State-Bozeman."

Mike Kramer has been criticized for prioritizing athletic ability much higher than character and academic ability in many of his players and has basically given CA JC's a stigma from the viewpoint of Montana college football fans.

When a coach has only a modest recruiting budget, minimal program prestige, and pressure to beat UM at any cost, he will sometimes compromise other qualities in a player.
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Postby A/V Guy on Thu Jun 14, 2007 1:24 pm

Sportin' Life wrote:
The Real World wrote:
Drew wrote:
ForShizzleGrizzle wrote:That was mentioned but it still is pretty stupid to make comments like that. I don't think we should let any of the farm boys go home either. I have heard of a ton of accidents happening when they get there arms caught in farm equipment.

Hasn't every MT athlete arrested been black? Not just a coincidence... so don't go saying that the MT farm boys are just as bad.



So you are going to respond to his obviously sarcastic remark with a post full of ignorant stereotyping? Clever... yet lame.


I seem to have missed the clever part.

Then I missed where he was wrong? It isn't a coincidence it is fact.
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Postby The Real World on Thu Jun 14, 2007 1:43 pm

No, because there are plenty of African Americans on the team and plenty of out-of-staters. If this was a fact, instead of a very ugly coincidence, they would all be trouble-makers. By stating its a fact, you are implying that all African American out-of-staters are thugs, at least that's how I interpreted that message.

Also, I believe that Murphy (a white Montana boy) got into some trouble last year but got off. Quinn (a white boy) got kicked off the Oklahoma squad and Russum (another white boy) left Arizona State after getting in some trouble (which, granted, neither was not as serious as a murder charge or trafficking cocaine with scholarship money, but was still enough to obviously get them chased from their respective programs).

The problem is not race, it's a problem of a bad apple or two getting into the batch every once in a while. Wilson's issues are a representation of blacks or out-of-staters as much as Murphy, Quinn or Russum are of white people or the University of Montana program in general

:twocents: .
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Postby Catsrback76 on Thu Jun 14, 2007 1:45 pm

Sad news all the way around. Keep your heads up and be real fans.

Here's hoping that this is the end of such foolishness and evil working itself through the schools. Let this be a wake up call to all students that there is more to life than degrees and titles on the football field, there are life lessons and moral choices that "count forever" that far outweigh anything in the here and now. May UM and MSU train up and raise student athletes that excel in the areas of life that really matter.

BTW: a few bad apples do spoil it for the rest only in the short run, it's the rest who can write the long term history that lasts for the long run.

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Postby A/V Guy on Thu Jun 14, 2007 1:47 pm

The Real World wrote:No, because there are plenty of African Americans on the team and plenty of out-of-staters. If this was a fact, instead of a very ugly coincidence, they would all be trouble-makers. By stating its a fact, you are implying that all African American out-of-staters are thugs, at least that's how I interpreted that message.

Also, I believe that Murphy (a white Montana boy) got into some trouble last year but got off. Quinn (a white boy) got kicked off the Oklahoma squad and Russum (another white boy) left Arizona State after getting in some trouble.

The problem is not race, it's a problem of a bad apple or two getting into the batch every once in a while. Wilson's issues are a representation of blacks or out-of-staters as much as Murphy, Quinn or Russum are of white people or the University of Montana program in general

:twocents: .
The fact was all the guys arrested lately are black. That is what I was implying.
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Postby 1Griz1 on Thu Jun 14, 2007 1:50 pm

jagur1 wrote:Can I ask one question:

Anybody know why Jimmy wasn't in Msla running and lifting his ass off for Summer conditioning?



I wondered that same thing. The players do get 3 weeks off from the time school gets out until the first week of June. Most of them are ready by then to get back to Missoula. They have had enough family bonding. Apparently this happened during that three week time period. The first day of summer workouts wasn't until June 4th so Jimmy didn't have to be in Missoula until then and the incident happened June 2.
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Postby ms griz on Thu Jun 14, 2007 1:55 pm

Nice post Catsrback76. Hopefully everyone will take it to heart.
Football is a game that a player only plays for a short period of time.
What a person does before and after football is what counts. Not how many games are won or lost.
So many lives are affected in the Jimmy Wilson case. My prayers are for all the people involved .
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Postby EverettGriz on Thu Jun 14, 2007 2:09 pm

Catsrback76 wrote:Sad news all the way around. Keep your heads up and be real fans.

Here's hoping that this is the end of such foolishness and evil working itself through the schools. Let this be a wake up call to all students that there is more to life than degrees and titles on the football field, there are life lessons and moral choices that "count forever" that far outweigh anything in the here and now. May UM and MSU train up and raise student athletes that excel in the areas of life that really matter.

BTW: a few bad apples do spoil it for the rest only in the short run, it's the rest who can write the long term history that lasts for the long run.

Go Griz, Go Cats!


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