This whole situation is ridiculous. These players are supposed to be role models in our community. Unfortunatly, nothing surprises me anymore with our football program. As a season ticket holder and avid griz sports fan i hope something is done to properly educate these people. I highly doubt a pep talk from BH will deter more events like this from happening.

Eh, Bobby seems to have a strong sense of the Buck Stops Here. I hope he really takes this one head on and drops the hammer on them.

I am left wondering about all these incidents involving MSU and UM players and how they could be occuring. It doesn't seem to be totally recruiting as Bobby and Kramer seemed a little different in style. It's a shame and makes it harder to look out of state for players rather than those closer to home. The talent of these kids is obviously tempting and perhaps some of these coaches think they can keep them on the straight and narrow in their programs. Who knows? Goes to show that anyone can find trouble anywhere if they really want to. Does anyone know if this kind of stuff is happening to other teams in the FCS or is the bullseye targeted mainly on the Treasure State now?

I know it is too early to kick any of these guys off the team. What I want to hear Hauck say is. "We as a program have decided to suspend them for this year. They will not be participating in any team activities. With all that has gone on recently, every athlete has been warned, no EXCEPTIONS!!!!"

Sorry Bobby, but this is alot more major than missing classes or attitudes This should not be kept quiet. BH is the face of the GRIZ and needs to make the STONGEST statement ever made by a GRIZ coach. At this point, I do not care about how important these guys are this year or the future. IF disciplining these guys means costing us a national championship, so be it. Thanks guys for letting down GRIZNATION, all of you owe your coaches, teammates, university, and public sincere apologies rather you remain here or not! Man up and take responsibility for your actions!!!!

mtgrizrule wrote:Thanks guys for letting down GRIZNATION, all of you owe your coaches, teammates, university, and public sincere apologies rather you remain here or not! Man up and take responsibility for your actions!!!!

Well said.

The people that run the university and the AD need to come out and face the people that allow the program to become what it has. Instead of a piece of paper being handed out to the media. These men need to face the cameras and the community and give us answers on to what is going to happen.

mtgrizrule wrote:I know it is too early to kick any of these guys off the team. What I want to hear Hauck say is. "We as a program have decided to suspend them for this year. They will not be participating in any team activities. With all that has gone on recently, every athlete has been warned, no EXCEPTIONS!!!!"

Sorry Bobby, but this is alot more major than missing classes or attitudes This should not be kept quiet. BH is the face of the GRIZ and needs to make the STONGEST statement ever made by a GRIZ coach. At this point, I do not care about how important these guys are this year or the future. IF disciplining these guys means costing us a national championship, so be it. Thanks guys for letting down GRIZNATION, all of you owe your coaches, teammates, university, and public sincere apologies rather you remain here or not! Man up and take responsibility for your actions!!!!

I agree 100%. I would rather be 7-3 than be 10-0 with a bunch of gang bangers. This is the first time I've ever been ashamed of being a griz.

I would like to think that some vindictive a-hole made these charges up or misidentified the suspects since Griz FB players are an easy target.

Alas, probably not the case. It sounds drug related, F@#!!!!!!

Freakin jackasses.

Hauck has lost control of the program.

grizd wrote:The coaches need to get more control on these guys. This off the field stuff is terrible and getting old, but it translates into stupid penalties on the field as well. For someone who claims to be so strict BH's teams do not act like it.

hauck is catching up to kramer really fast, in terms of bringing potential felons into the fold.

in my mind, the events of the past year negate all of the claims that he is a "great recruiter". further, i think that the "shortest leash" to be handed out after this incident should be around hauck's neck. i don't care how many wins in a row he has, this many arrests of scholarship players on a 1-aa team with limited schollies is horrible, and indicative of very bad discipline by the coaches. a pathetically large number of hauck's players don't seem to have a solid conception of 'right' and 'wrong'.

really, i think the only thing that could possibly make this situation 'better' is if greenie gets on here and defends hauck. a genius lawyer like him, what with his romantic relationships with bobby and the players, should be able to convince us all that we are over-reacting to a little youthful... gun play.

DutchGriz wrote:The people that run the university and the AD need to come out and face the people that allow the program to become what it has. Instead of a piece of paper being handed out to the media. These men need to face the cameras and the community and give us answers on to what is going to happen.

Great post! You are absolutely correct---which rarely happens!

Expecting these so-called "men" to take responsibility is a waste of time. People who care about how their actions are perceived don't do this kind of crap. Anyone who does this stuff is a punk plain and simple. I don't know that they are guilty but if they are, send them packing. ZERO TOLERANCE has to be the benchmark for this type of criminal behavior.

Although I agree that BH needs to face this issue head on and not let it just work its way through the court I do have to say the coaches can not be holdig each players hands 24-7. UM offers these students athletic scholarship that we help fun, to me it is the players responsibility to follow rules set for them and be the best they can be on the field, in the classroom as well as the community.

This sure puts a black eye on a great season so far. Hopefully the distractions will not be a problem for Griz-Cat week and into the playoffs. I can see the MSU fans having a hay day on this one. Although they dont have much ground to stand on themselves.

grzz wrote:

DutchGriz wrote:The people that run the university and the AD need to come out and face the people that allow the program to become what it has. Instead of a piece of paper being handed out to the media. These men need to face the cameras and the community and give us answers on to what is going to happen.

Great post! You are absolutely correct---which rarely happens!

I think u have been drinking again.

argh! wrote:really, i think the only thing that could possibly make this situation 'better' is if greenie gets on here and defends hauck. a genius lawyer like him, what with his romantic relationships with bobby and the players, should be able to convince us all that we are over-reacting to a little youthful... gun play.

Sad, yet funny and will probably happen.

Griz1999 wrote:Although I agree that BH needs to face this issue head on and not let it just work its way through the court I do have to say the coaches can not be holdig each players hands 24-7. UM offers these students athletic scholarship that we help fun, to me it is the players responsibility to follow rules set for them and be the best they can be on the field, in the classroom as well as the community.

This sure puts a black eye on a great season so far. Hopefully the distractions will not be a problem for Griz-Cat week and into the playoffs. I can see the MSU fans having a hay day on this one. Although they dont have much ground to stand on themselves.

No one asks for 24-7, but he brought them to Missoula. Two of them had issues elsewhere. I am tired of bringing thugs into the state.

DutchGriz wrote:

grzz wrote:

DutchGriz wrote:The people that run the university and the AD need to come out and face the people that allow the program to become what it has. Instead of a piece of paper being handed out to the media. These men need to face the cameras and the community and give us answers on to what is going to happen.

Great post! You are absolutely correct---which rarely happens!

I think u have been drinking again.

That has nothing to do with this!

But seriously. I really think Hauck needs to address this today. He needs to come out before the media comes out with it. Proactive would be a good thing in this instance.

I can handle an occasional class, grade, attendance, or drinking, even marijuana issue here and there. Those things are part of college life, but breaking into someones place with weapons, and WTF Kidnapping. Those in my book are not excuseable, life does not get better in Missoula,Montana than being a member of Montana football. Why would you resort to thuggish acts like this, especially in the community that supports every player loyally week in and week out!!!!! Why oh why am I hoping Pate was in wrong person , wrong time, wrong situation, or guilty by association? Is it because he is the youngest and most easily influenced?

Has anyone encountered any of these guys in public or on campus? I have never heared anything negative publicly on any of these guys since being in Missoula.

BAGLEY, ANDREW HUDSON

BookingID:20070514012 Age:24 Booked:5/14/2007 3:34:20 PM Charge Crime Type Arresting Agency Prosecuting Bond
Next Court Date CourtRoom Arresting Officer Defense CFS
Reckless Driving Misdemeanor MPD $0.00
Wed 5/16/2007 10:30 AM M1 Municipal Shermer, Chris P070514-003
Stop Sign Violation Misdemeanor MPD $0.00
Wed 5/16/2007 10:30 AM M1 Municipal Shermer, Chris P070514-003
Theft - 1st Offense Misdemeanor MPD $0.00
Wed 11/7/2007 2:00 PM D1 McLean Shermer, Chris P070514-003
Criminal Possession Of Dangerous Drugs/Opiate - Felony Felony MPD $0.00
Wed 11/7/2007 2:00 PM D1 McLean Shermer, Chris P070514-003
Burglary Felony MPD $0.00
Wed 11/7/2007 2:00 PM D1 McLean Shermer, Chris P070514-003
Probation Violation Felony MPD $0.00
Wed 11/7/2007 2:00 PM D1 McLean Shermer, Chris P070514-003
Compounding A Felony Misdemeanor MPD
Mon 10/1/2007 10:30 AM M1 Municipal Shermer, Chris P070514-003
Partner Or Family Assault -1st Offense Original Charge MPD
Mon 10/1/2007 10:30 AM M1 Municipal Shermer, Chris P070514-003


any relation to ryan?

Griz1999 wrote:Although I agree that BH needs to face this issue head on and not let it just work its way through the court I do have to say the coaches can not be holdig each players hands 24-7. UM offers these students athletic scholarship that we help fun, to me it is the players responsibility to follow rules set for them and be the best they can be on the field, in the classroom as well as the community.

This sure puts a black eye on a great season so far. Hopefully the distractions will not be a problem for Griz-Cat week and into the playoffs. I can see the MSU fans having a hay day on this one. Although they dont have much ground to stand on themselves.

I agree they cannot be there 24/7 but maybe a little harder look at these out of state gang banger recruits is in order. I guess his desire to get to the next level is over riding his good decision making. He would rather have the talent and screw the community. Hey Bobby stop taking on everyone elses dirty laundry!!!

rydogg07 wrote:BAGLEY, ANDREW HUDSON

BookingID:20070514012 Age:24 Booked:5/14/2007 3:34:20 PM Charge Crime Type Arresting Agency Prosecuting Bond
Next Court Date CourtRoom Arresting Officer Defense CFS
Reckless Driving Misdemeanor MPD $0.00
Wed 5/16/2007 10:30 AM M1 Municipal Shermer, Chris P070514-003
Stop Sign Violation Misdemeanor MPD $0.00
Wed 5/16/2007 10:30 AM M1 Municipal Shermer, Chris P070514-003
Theft - 1st Offense Misdemeanor MPD $0.00
Wed 11/7/2007 2:00 PM D1 McLean Shermer, Chris P070514-003
Criminal Possession Of Dangerous Drugs/Opiate - Felony Felony MPD $0.00
Wed 11/7/2007 2:00 PM D1 McLean Shermer, Chris P070514-003
Burglary Felony MPD $0.00
Wed 11/7/2007 2:00 PM D1 McLean Shermer, Chris P070514-003
Probation Violation Felony MPD $0.00
Wed 11/7/2007 2:00 PM D1 McLean Shermer, Chris P070514-003
Compounding A Felony Misdemeanor MPD
Mon 10/1/2007 10:30 AM M1 Municipal Shermer, Chris P070514-003
Partner Or Family Assault -1st Offense Original Charge MPD
Mon 10/1/2007 10:30 AM M1 Municipal Shermer, Chris P070514-003


any relation to ryan?

who cares?

mtgrizrule wrote:I can handle an occasional class, grade, attendance, or drinking, even marijuana issue here and there. Those things are part of college life, but breaking into someones place with weapons, and WTF Kidnapping. Those in my book are not excuseable, life does not get better in Missoula,Montana than being a member of Montana football. Why would you resort to thuggish acts like this, especially in the community that supports every player loyally week in and week out!!!!! Why oh why am I hoping Pate was in wrong person , wrong time, wrong situation, or guilty by association? Is it because he is the youngest and most easily influenced?

Has anyone encountered any of these guys in public or on campus? I have never heared anything negative publicly on any of these guys since being in Missoula.

I believe there was a thread a while ago, maybe when the crap with Freeman happened, that talked about Coleman being part of that "crew" and flashing a gun or something like that. Don't quote me on that, but there was definitely a poster that called Coleman out a while back.

Gang Banger Recruits? By no means am I sticking up for these players but I have never seen any info previously that any of the three talked about had gang issues or were previously arrested on gang related charges. Think before you write. You make it sound like MT brings in Gang bangers on a regular basis.

Griz1999 wrote:Gang Banger Recruits? By no means am I sticking up for these players but I have never seen any info previously that any of the three talked about had gang issues or were previously arrested on gang related charges. Think before you write. You make it sound like MT brings in Gang bangers on a regular basis.

Considering the number of incidents we have had recently it seems that way. IMHO the charges against these guys are gangbanger type charges and activities. ARE they not?

If its true, and it sure looks bad, Hauck needs to be held to the same standard Kramer was...

Several of us called Kramer out...same holds true for our program-

embarassing and unacceptable...