After watching that game I am convinced I would rather have our players and fans then be represented by Appy State's players and fans. Their behavior was indicative of the behavior that I saw for a year from people that are from or live in that part of the country. I see the excitement from the fans, but how about some accountability for the actions? 4 minutes left in the game and the seats empty? Act like you have been there before. At least we can control our crowd, especially the students at WAGRIZ to a point where it is not embarrassing for the program. I would take our Montana players any day as well over the undisciplined players that were on that field last night. As for Delaware, that program has something to be proud of. I just hope someone can rid APST of their dominance next year.

Yep.

Remember Georgia Southern's display of class...funny how that conference consistently wins, yet doesn't have any respect for anything. I really wish we would schedule games against them.

bigtyme wrote:......... I just hope someone can rid APST of their dominance next year.

I think Montana could do it.
The key is understanding that, to win, you must score at every opportunity. Screw game & clock management - score points.
That means quit trying to "establish the run" and score by whatever means is working.

If Montana would focus on scoring points, our defense would be the difference.

bigtyme wrote:After watching that game I am convinced I would rather have our players and fans then be represented by Appy State's players and fans. Their behavior was indicative of the behavior that I saw for a year from people that are from or live in that part of the country. I see the excitement from the fans, but how about some accountability for the actions? 4 minutes left in the game and the seats empty? Act like you have been there before. At least we can control our crowd, especially the students at WAGRIZ to a point where it is not embarrassing for the program. I would take our Montana players any day as well over the undisciplined players that were on that field last night. As for Delaware, that program has something to be proud of. I just hope someone can rid APST of their dominance next year.

Your simple-minded indictment of the people from an entire geographical area because of your observation of a small group of fans should be an embarrassment to you, but is obviously not. It is perhaps more disturbing that no other poster has pointed this out, and a few actualy have stated agreement with you.

jaded1 wrote:

bigtyme wrote:After watching that game I am convinced I would rather have our players and fans then be represented by Appy State's players and fans. Their behavior was indicative of the behavior that I saw for a year from people that are from or live in that part of the country. I see the excitement from the fans, but how about some accountability for the actions? 4 minutes left in the game and the seats empty? Act like you have been there before. At least we can control our crowd, especially the students at WAGRIZ to a point where it is not embarrassing for the program. I would take our Montana players any day as well over the undisciplined players that were on that field last night. As for Delaware, that program has something to be proud of. I just hope someone can rid APST of their dominance next year.

Your simple-minded indictment of the people from an entire geographical area because of your observation of a small group of fans should be an embarrassment to you, but is obviously not. It is perhaps more disturbing that no other poster has pointed this out, and a few actualy have stated agreement with you.

I didn't get to watch the game so I have no say in it. I'm sure it wasn't as bad as Georgia Southern's showing back in 2002 (I think that was the year the fans ravaged through Chatanooga). If it was even one tenth of what GS fans were like then, then yes that conference deserves some criticism.

jaded1 wrote:

bigtyme wrote:After watching that game I am convinced I would rather have our players and fans then be represented by Appy State's players and fans. Their behavior was indicative of the behavior that I saw for a year from people that are from or live in that part of the country. I see the excitement from the fans, but how about some accountability for the actions? 4 minutes left in the game and the seats empty? Act like you have been there before. At least we can control our crowd, especially the students at WAGRIZ to a point where it is not embarrassing for the program. I would take our Montana players any day as well over the undisciplined players that were on that field last night. As for Delaware, that program has something to be proud of. I just hope someone can rid APST of their dominance next year.

Your simple-minded indictment of the people from an entire geographical area because of your observation of a small group of fans should be an embarrassment to you, but is obviously not. It is perhaps more disturbing that no other poster has pointed this out, and a few actualy have stated agreement with you.

My simple-minded indictment comes from having spent time in SC and VA, as well as living with hundreds of folks from that area for over a year in a separate place other than Montana or the Southeast. So I could have easily given you, Faded1, what you want in more descriptive terms, but my point was to be general because that is all I felt was necessary to prove my point. And where did I say anything about an ENTIRE GEOGRAPHICAL AREA? That is right, I did not. While I am not that ignorant to think that ALL people from that GEOGRAPHICAL area of the country are to blame for that kind of behavior, nor am I that ignorant to think that all Montana folks represent what I have come to believe truly represents Montana. But I do expect Montanans to have a bit more class, morals, values, and dignity. Something you, SGF, know absolutely nothing about!

Congrats to App St...players, coaches and fans alike. 3 in a row.

As far as the fans on the field go.....It's the staff of the facility who's job it is to control the crowd, not the crowd itself. I can't believe people are so shallow that they feel they need to rip the whole thing because security couldn't/didn't do their job. They finished the game. In reality the officials on the field could have stopped the game and waited for the fans to leave the field. They chose to get it done instead.

As far as Delaware goes....nice try...the ball didn't bounce your way all day....the officials didn't help you any. You might tell the player that threw the ball that hit the cop to either not throw the ball at all or at least don't aim for the cop.

I will say no more about this....I don't really have the energy for a certain posters IMs today

62GRIZ wrote:You absolutely should not indict the entire conference as I have seen nothing but class from both the Furman and Wofford teams AND fans. I do agree that that was a dangerous situation last night. The refs never were in control of that game and seemed to be intimidated by the fans.

It boggles my mind that they knew this was coming (by "they" I mean the refs, security and the Appy State people) and they did nothing to ensure this wouldn't happen. What ever happened to PA announcements before the game warning of the consequences of this behavior? That's what has happened at Griz games in the past. Plain and simple: "No one will be allowed to enter the field area until the game has concluded, any violation could lead to a penalty for your team." Then, the minute the fans start entering the field area you warn them again. Then you start throwing flags until they leave the field. Appy State's coaches could and should be involved. This can't happen again. Somebody is going to get hurt. One of these days you're going to have a brawl between a team and fans.

I thought it was cool that the fans got to run down on the field and hang with their team.

What is the big deal?

The game was in hand and it was a celebration.

The fun police strike again and they still suck.





Before anyone throws out the "but somethig bad could have happened" BS argument. Something bad could have happened in the stands beforehand. Hell, someone in a skybox could have threatened to bomb a certain seat......anything is POSSIBLE.

bigtyme wrote:

jaded1 wrote:

bigtyme wrote:After watching that game I am convinced I would rather have our players and fans then be represented by Appy State's players and fans. Their behavior was indicative of the behavior that I saw for a year from people that are from or live in that part of the country. I see the excitement from the fans, but how about some accountability for the actions? 4 minutes left in the game and the seats empty? Act like you have been there before. At least we can control our crowd, especially the students at WAGRIZ to a point where it is not embarrassing for the program. I would take our Montana players any day as well over the undisciplined players that were on that field last night. As for Delaware, that program has something to be proud of. I just hope someone can rid APST of their dominance next year.

Your simple-minded indictment of the people from an entire geographical area because of your observation of a small group of fans should be an embarrassment to you, but is obviously not. It is perhaps more disturbing that no other poster has pointed this out, and a few actualy have stated agreement with you.

My simple-minded indictment comes from having spent time in SC and VA, as well as living with hundreds of folks from that area for over a year in a separate place other than Montana or the Southeast. So I could have easily given you, Faded1, what you want in more descriptive terms, but my point was to be general because that is all I felt was necessary to prove my point. And where did I say anything about an ENTIRE GEOGRAPHICAL AREA? That is right, I did not. While I am not that ignorant to think that ALL people from that GEOGRAPHICAL area of the country are to blame for that kind of behavior, nor am I that ignorant to think that all Montana folks represent what I have come to believe truly represents Montana. But I do expect Montanans to have a bit more class, morals, values, and dignity. Something you, SGF, know absolutely nothing about!

I am a whiny little girl, do not mind my posts as I have no life outside of continually creating accounts to spew my slime on egriz.

This global slam at Appy fans reminds me of the global slam on Penn State (at least, I think it was Penn State) when ONE ignorant SOB poked fun at the VA Tech massacre. One person or one stadium full of folk do not a global generalization make.

I'm not sure what others witnessed wtih GSU fans but when I went to the 2000 Nat'l Championship game I was very impressed with the fans I met. I know that a group took down a goal post that was paraded back to the hotel we were staying at.

Oh course, we've seen that happen in Missoula but it was to a certain downtown bar where it has been displayed for many years now.

I call BS on the class thing or regional thing. It is common sheep mentality. If a bunch of Montana fans would have ran down there to be by our team everyone of you would have gone with.


Next time your in a stadium venue for no reason at all stand up suddenly and point at something random get the guy next toy ou in on it. THEN LOOK BACK 10 if not hundreds will follow your lead.

Same thing.

cclarkblues wrote:It was a very surreal feeling that last 4 minutes with thousands of fans at the edge of the field and crowding the Delaware team space. It wouldn't have taken much to ignite some high weirdness and there were not enough security to stop it.

I had that same feeling. I recall a riot nearly breaking out at a boxing match televised from Madison Square garden a few years back, when the boxing world had clearly degenerated into the gangsta thug hip-hop culture. The referee's decision started the fans rioting and they almost took over the ring because the security there couldn't handle the crowd. I remember having an uneasy feeling that it sould have spun out of control any minute.

I had some indication of that same feeling as I watched the last 4 minutes or so, thinking it was going to spin out of control at any minute. According to the announcers the coaching staff at ASU doesn't have a problem with unruly fans at home, they just expect it and get out of the way.

The only thing I would fault Delaware for is the running back's aim when they scored their third touchdown in the final 4 minutes. It was too bad that he hit a policeman instead of some of the boob ASU fans on the sidelines.

So the DelaWHERE players were more of a threat to start a problem than the App St fans?

I agree.

AG2, there is a difference between having control over a situation and still having fun and riot like behavior with utter chaos. Typically, someone gets hurt/killed in utter chaos. That is what I don't like about the situation that could have happened last night. Some innocent bystander that had no intention of participating in the activities could have been seriously injured. When we won in 2001 I was on the field having a great time and not plum sober, however, I know how to handle myself in situations that present problems and will not tolerate out of control behavior. I have no problem with people on the field celebrating a victory. I was just saying in my original post that there is a time and a place to do it.

"stupod " is as "stupod " does

AG2 wrote:So the DelaWHERE players were more of a threat to start a problem than the App St fans?

I agree.

That the ASU fans charged the sidelines, just placing themselves in that position to incite a riot makes them at fault. It didn't help that ASU was still playing to score when the game was clearly over late in the 4th quarter; that with the fans on the sidelines, only feet away from the Delaware players makes for a recipe for trouble.

ASUs accomplishment on the field set a remarkable example for the game and for their school, and then the way they played and acted in the final 4 minutes put a tarnish on it.

There wasn't a riot!

That's the point for Fu*ks sake.

There could have been a riot in the stands as well, the whole mentality of this.....only a riot can tke place on the field is idiotic.

AG2 wrote:There wasn't a riot!

That's the point for Fu*ks sake.

There could have been a riot in the stands as well, the whole mentality of this.....only a riot can tke place on the field is idiotic.

Well I said nothing about a riot in the stands, so your point there is valid??? This isn't soccer in Europe or South America however. I would rather be proactive then reactive. You can't bring someone back if they have been killed, best measures are to prevent them from occurring.

It is like saying drinking and driving is ok unless something bad happens. Once it does you feel idiotic.