Since it is dull in here now, let's discuss whether Bobby should bring in a IA drop-down QB this year. I remember when Marshall had Chad Pennington, who started the whole season in 1995 as a true frosh, and started against UM in the NC game. So, what do they do the next season? They bring in Eric Kresser, adrop-down QB from Florida, and redshirt Pennington.

I know that Berquist has burned his redshirt year. And, I think that Cole is a very adequate QB to lead the Griz next year.

But, if we get a chance to sign a really hot IA drop-down, who is a sophomore or junior, why would we not want to sign him, and let him compete with cole for the starting QB job?

There are going to be some good ones available, for sure. If we can sign one, should we do it/

I say yes.

No. We are fine at quarterback. We do need to open that position up to competition this off season and give the job to who shows the most promise, whether it be Berquist, Selle, Larson, or Stapp. I'd like to see a dropdown corner, DT, RB, or WR. We could use some depth at those postions. As young as our team is next year, I wouldn't be surpised if we sign more transfers than usual.

HighLineGRIZ wrote:No. We are fine at quarterback. We do need to open that position up to competition this off season and give the job to who shows the most promise, whether it be Berquist, Selle, Larson, or Stapp. I'd like to see a dropdown corner, DT, RB, or WR. We could use some depth at those postions. As young as our team is next year, I wouldn't be surpised if we sign more transfers than usual.

I would add a LB to your list and focus on increasing footspeed at the LB, CB, WR and RB slots.

Cole's matured throughout the year on the field, the Wofford and MSU games were both really well played games for him. I say Cole's our guy, no need to grab a drop-down and take up a scholarship where a useful player could fill.

I'd say get drop-down WRs, RBs, LBs and CBs before even considering a QB.

Pennington did not start the whole '95 season -- he moved into the job when the narly season-long starter got hurt, and Pennington did a good job to beat McNeese in the semis to make it to the finals against UM. His inexperience showed when he was called for grounding from the end zone when Riley and the other guy from Butte were bringing him down for what would have been a safety. Grounding from the end zone equals a safety, and it was the huge two points for UM.

Personally, I'd like to see Selle get more of a shot, and I wonder how long Stapp will stay if he doesn't do more than hold for kicks.

Re/MaxGriz wrote:Cole's matured throughout the year on the field, the Wofford and MSU games were both really well played games for him. I say Cole's our guy, no need to grab a drop-down and take up a scholarship where a useful player could fill.

I'd say get drop-down WRs, RBs, LBs and CBs before even considering a QB.

I agree. I think QB is pretty solid. I think LB, RB and CB are ripe for a drop-down or JC, if the talent is out there looking to come to Missoula. But that said, I'm pretty happy with who we have coming back.

LakeGriz wrote:Pennington did not start the whole '95 season -- he moved into the job when the narly season-long starter got hurt, and Pennington did a good job to beat McNeese in the semis to make it to the finals against UM. His inexperience showed when he was called for grounding from the end zone when Riley and the other guy from Butte were bringing him down for what would have been a safety. Grounding from the end zone equals a safety, and it was the huge two points for UM.

Personally, I'd like to see Selle get more of a shot, and I wonder how long Stapp will stay if he doesn't do more than hold for kicks.

At this point it may be a thing where he is on scholly and going to get a free education. Sometimes life is more than being the starter. If he is happy he will stay.

How many schollies do we really have once you account for walk-ons that earned them like Mariani?

I do not see a dropdown QB in the near future. Hauck lives and dies with Bergquist next year. If he had any doubt, the dropdown should have been here for the season that just wrapped up

I hope we DO NOT bring in a drop down QB, as that will be another test tube experiment set to fail (Washington, Ochs, Swagger, et al). I guess if we saw a stud Fr QB who could sit on the bench for a year and learn the system, that would be fine, but..and only but, should be the trigger.

Why has EWU, NAU and even lowly MSU outrectuited UM in QB the last 10 years? Lets all ask and answer that. We all hear UM has got some Pac 10 stud and we all M-bate and say words like "scary offense". Our own @#$@# head coach and OC both admit that it will take a QB 2 years to learn UM's "scary good offense"...

Meanwhile....ASU has won 3 in a row...check out their QB

Tim Tebow could drop down and come to Missoula. With RP as OC, average would be his best prospect.

We have great talent to prove himself in Andrew Selle. He would shine better than any other QB in the Big Sky if we had a decent offensive scheme and half a mind to implement it. We do need to keep the cupboard full but we also better use what we have and find an OC to use it or we could find our cupboard bare.

I don't know how one recruits the best offensive players to this system. We either get them because they are wowed by UM itself or it's their best option. If they researched at all beyond the 11-0....they choose another school to play at.

Grizfan92 wrote:I hope we DO NOT bring in a drop down QB, as that will be another test tube experiment set to fail (Washington, Ochs, Swagger, et al). I guess if we saw a stud Fr QB who could sit on the bench for a year and learn the system, that would be fine, but..and only but, should be the trigger.

Why has EWU, NAU and even lowly MSU outrectuited UM in QB the last 10 years? Lets all ask and answer that. We all hear UM has got some Pac 10 stud and we all M-bate and say words like "scary offense". Our own @#$@# head coach and OC both admit that it will take a QB 2 years to learn UM's "scary good offense"...

Meanwhile....ASU has won 3 in a row...check out their QB

Ochs was an "another test tube experiment set to fail??" That could be one of the silliest posts I've seen on this board. Papa Bear himself has said that if Ochs had had the OL that DD had back in '93-'95, we would not have been touched in '03-'04 and we would be holding Craig in higher regard than DD. I personally heard him say that live. DD also had an offensive approach designed to exploit his strengths; Ochs had RP.

ASU has had back-to-back stud QBs in Richie Williams and Edwards; we haven't come close to recruiting that kind of talent.

Ochs took us to the National Championship game in what turned out to be an amazing 2nd half of a season, I don't view him as a failed experiment.

Swogger, while not as flashy as expected, did take this team to the national semi finals.

Washington, tough to say b/c he was injured his 4th game in the 2005 season and hardly played afterwards.

I think you could also point to Drew Miller who did a lot of great things for Grizzly football too.

I don't think drop-downs are bad experiments, actually some of them have led the best passing attacks we've had since DD was here.

Our QB wouldn't start on any team in the quarter finals of this years playoffs.

Wonder if Bobby will have an open spring ball where every position is challenged.
Hope so

I don't think it is going to happen....but if a great one...recruits us...we have to take a look. (You would not turn down an Ochs would you...there was no question as to his resume) Next year is a rebuildiong year in a lot of ways...but with Cole at QB it is at least one less very important position that is not being rebuilt. He's no NFL guy...but you could win a championship with Berquist....but we have a lot of positions with questions. It will be interesting to see. Delaware used a lot of transfers both times they made the trip. They had a lot of injuries on the line and it killed them when they couldn't gain an inch to tie the game in the 1st qtr. Football games are won on the line. We need to keep that in mind. Flacco is going in the first few rounds of the NFL draft...but he couldn't bail out that line in front of him Friday nite. Ochs had trouble his first season as well. Lets get a few more dropdown O linemen. And I agree with the other thread.....I like the spread offense...I know one of the coaches...I'll mention it....but he's a D guy.....not that they're going to listen...in any event...this is going to be an interesting recruiting season...but I predict no dropdown QB.

Bronco wrote:Our QB wouldn't start on any team in the quarter finals of this years playoffs.

Wonder if Bobby will have an open spring ball where every position is challenged.
Hope so

Bobby is such a great recruiter. Why do we not have a 'great' quarterback? Or do we have 'great' quarterbacks and just not a very good system?

Big One 25 wrote:

Bronco wrote:Our QB wouldn't start on any team in the quarter finals of this years playoffs.

Wonder if Bobby will have an open spring ball where every position is challenged.
Hope so

Bobby is such a great recruiter. Why do we not have a 'great' quarterback? Or do we have 'great' quarterbacks and just not a very good system?

BINGO!

I think CB has a better skillset than Edwards did.
Hard to separate a player from the system in which he plays and evaluate his skills objectively.

Michael Jordan was a much better BBaller than his days at UNC might have indicated. It's been said that the only person who could limit Jordan's scoring was Dean Smith. I contend that CB might be likewise inhibited. I'm NOT suggesting that he's an MJ type of talent....only that he may be poorly utilized.

Did Bronco say that CB would start for ANY team in this years quarterfinal? Flacco? Edwards? dumbest statement ever

copper&gold wrote:Did Bronco say that CB would start for ANY team in this years quarterfinal? Flacco? Edwards? dumbest statement ever

REad it again, he said that he wouldnt start.

I think CB is a good QB in a very strange system that tries to do a lot of things OK and nothing incredibly well. He could be great given the opportunity.

copper&gold wrote:Did Bronco say that CB would start for ANY team in this years quarterfinal? Flacco? Edwards? dumbest statement ever

Go back and re-read Bronco's post.

Which I think is way off, Cole is a pretty good QB and a couple of quarterfinals teams would like to have him, however, a few of the QBs in the quarterfinals were system QBs, in the position they are because of their abilities.. none were a real pocket passing QB, more like what Cole is.

I think we should get a drop down QB, preferably one with a criminal past and academic issues. Those things haven't stopped Hauck and company before, why start now? That would be much better than going with Cole next year and then letting Larson and Selle (Montana kids) battle it out for the starting job for two seasons after Cole leaves.

No soup for you!!!

Tailbone wrote:

Big One 25 wrote:

Bronco wrote:Our QB wouldn't start on any team in the quarter finals of this years playoffs.

Wonder if Bobby will have an open spring ball where every position is challenged.
Hope so

Bobby is such a great recruiter. Why do we not have a 'great' quarterback? Or do we have 'great' quarterbacks and just not a very good system?

BINGO!

I think CB has a better skillset than Edwards did.
Hard to separate a player from the system in which he plays and evaluate his skills objectively.

Michael Jordan was a much better BBaller than his days at UNC might have indicated. It's been said that the only person who could limit Jordan's scoring was Dean Smith. I contend that CB might be likewise inhibited. I'm NOT suggesting that he's an MJ type of talent....only that he may be poorly utilized.

John - yes, Amanti - hardly.