I remember we were in Provo for the language festival at BYU for a couple days in high school.. we sat down at a restaurant to order and we ordered Pepsi's.. the waitress took one look at us and said, "You guys know it's caffeine free here, right?" WTF?? We were thrown out of the BYU bookstore because someone in our group said "damn". Odd kind of place down there.

With that being said, Welcome to Missoula, stay as long as you like, and come play running back for us!

I really hope this kid takes a look and loves what he sees. This seems like a really quality football player and wouldn't be the first griz player from BYU as a transfer who didn't fit in (Drew Miller).

As for the caffiene myth...it seems that in my experience that only BYU has that as a code anymore. Otherwise here in southern idaho pepsi would go out of business.

mtgrizrule wrote:
I am sure GRIZ fans will buy him all the coffee he wants.

I would have left too. That is way too extreme. I have no idea how BYU even gets the players it does if it is that bad.


For any NCAA-types reading this, here on egriz the thumb emoticon indicates metaphorically, or imaginary.
So he meant we will by him hypothetical or metaphorical coffee.

Hope that clears that up.

Here at egriz we have great respect for NCAA rules.

Exactly. We would never buy a student athlete anything!!!!

We went to SLC for a couple of baseball tournaments this year. We found the people to range from very tolerant of typical Montanans, to those that were aghast that we even existed. We were served alcohol in an eating establishment with a smile, and were almost kicked out of our motel because a group of us were having a beer in our room. The manager literally was going to kick us out.

There is a time and place for everything. But I think it would be very hard for a non-Morman to live up to the rules they have down there. Especially for a 18-22 year old.

Watch him at WR. I'm not sure where he would be better at RB or WR. He seems to be quite good at both, but he really dominates at WR.

Kessman WR and Punt Return Highlights

mtgrizrule wrote:I am sure GRIZ fans will buy him all the coffee he wants.

I would have left too. That is way too extreme. I have no idea how BYU even gets the players it does if it is that bad.

Notice the irony? Honor Code existed 20+ years ago, too. Remember a quarterback from BYU named Jim McMahon? Tobacco-chewin', beer-drinkin' redneck?

It was an interesting time in Provo......

Grizfan-24 wrote:I really hope this kid takes a look and loves what he sees. This seems like a really quality football player and wouldn't be the first griz player from BYU as a transfer who didn't fit in (Drew Miller).

As for the caffiene myth...it seems that in my experience that only BYU has that as a code anymore. Otherwise here in southern idaho pepsi would go out of business.

The Mormons own stake in Pepsi.. that's why it's still in business.

Why would anybody who wasn't a devout Mormon ever go to BYU? Dealing with the Mormon Taliban and their code would suck.

And just think ... it all started with one pedophile snake oil salesman and his dream of becoming an important person by making up a religion.

Looks like we could and should use him as both WR/RB and returns...ala reggie bush, percy harvin, brian westbrook ect. ect. those type of players lining up all over the field give defenses fits....hopefully he commits and our coaching staff uses him correctly.....

I was trying to be politically correct...and to avoid a religous war in here...

While I can understand the desire to want to play I-A, one factor is that he could play next fall at UM, but would have to sit out another year if he goes to a I-A school.

Bay Area Cat wrote:Why would anybody who wasn't a devout Mormon ever go to BYU? Dealing with the Mormon Taliban and their code would suck.

And just think ... it all started with one pedophile snake oil salesman and his dream of becoming an important person by making up a religion.

Thats hilarious....i hope uv seen the South Park episode that explains the Mormon religion.....soooo funnny but definatly worth watchin

I think in general, it's a mistake for a non-LDS kid to go to BYU--he probably isn't going to be real happy and will also be under some at least subtle pressure to convert and become a Mormon.

Ronan, I remember Jim McMahon, a non-Mormon, being interviewed several years ago and being asked of his favorite memory of BYU.

His answer: "Leaving!"

MrTitleist wrote:
The Mormons own stake in Pepsi.. that's why it's still in business.

Actually it's Coke, not Pepsi. And although Coke is caffienated, they can drink it. But not Pepsi "legally".

My understanding is the LDS holdings in coca-cola is at least 51% too.

This info is about 10 years old, but from a devout mormon while he was drinking a rum and coke.

Some friends of mine once asked Jim McMahon how he was able to survive at BYU. His response was that about once a week, he would go out onto the center of campus at night, and yell, at the top of his lungs, "FU Joseph Smith". Then he'd feel better. My dad played briefly at BYU, but then returned to Montana. I always wondered how a kid from a ranch on the Fort Peck Reservation ended up going to BYU for football in the 30's. He was Catholic.

Being here in southern idaho for two years, there is a lot of the double standard you can do this, if it is this (ie pepsi). I sort of gather it is more like marketing the business side of their religion. Believe me, they are great to the communities they have temples in. They donate tons of money to schools and are heavily involved.

They are finishing a new temple in Twin, and both the LDS and non LDS are jacked because it means a good chunk of money for the Twin economy.

I can say that it is very difficult for non mormon kids to go to school at any of the Utah schools. Not to the degree that it is at BYU persay, but difficult. Their communities are very close nit, and difficult to get your foot in the door. Very difficult for non lds kids to understand the ecentricities of the mormon culture. Took me a while as a teacher down here to understand the differences. Definately look at the whole culture a lot differently now that i have spent some time here.

Like I said just my two cents.

ronangrizfan wrote:This info is about 10 years old, but from a devout mormon while he was drinking a rum and coke.

I could have swore it was Pepsi.... but I've been wrong before.

Bay Area Cat wrote:Why would anybody who wasn't a devout Mormon ever go to BYU? Dealing with the Mormon Taliban and their code would suck.

When I looked at this school after leaving high school I read that it was 2% other, 98% Mormon. Good luck with that!

Threatened to be punished for going to an alcohol-free club and then drinking coffee.... sounds like trouble to me (just kidding).

This guy could be something special for the Griz. I hope he enjoys his visit.

Ronan is correct. It is Coke, not Pepsi. At least it used to be.

ronbo wrote:Watch him at WR. I'm not sure where he would be better at RB or WR. He seems to be quite good at both, but he really dominates at WR.

Kessman WR and Punt Return Highlights

Those highlights are from 2005, and still impressive.

Grizbacker1 wrote:

ronbo wrote:Watch him at WR. I'm not sure where he would be better at RB or WR. He seems to be quite good at both, but he really dominates at WR.

Kessman WR and Punt Return Highlights

Those highlights are from 2005, and still impressive.

Yeah they switched him to RB for his senior season.

A little background on the Coke/Pepsi rumors:

www.snopes.com/cokelore/mormon.asp

It's impossible to hide material ownership interests of public companies, as all of that information is required to be publicly disclosed in SEC filings by the company.

Thanks for spoiling our fun, BAC!!!

Bay Area Cat wrote:A little background on the Coke/Pepsi rumors:

www.snopes.com/cokelore/mormon.asp

It's impossible to hide material ownership interests of public companies, as all of that information is required to be publicly disclosed in SEC filings by the company.

I checked that too. Snopes says it is false, but having lived amongst this group where they are a majority (SE Idaho), I heard time and time again that indeed the LDS church has/had holdings in Coke.

BTW, the devout mormon I referred to in an earlier post was an elder and stake president.

I guess the could hold it through individuals indirectly (and they'd really have to trust those individuals), but I don't think the church itself could legally own it without everybody knowing about it.

I can say here..in Twin...is that if the this is just a conspiracy, then it seems to work for LDS and non LDS. Because most of the stores stock copious amounts of pepsi products and very little in the area of coke products.

Seems to fly in the face of the non-caffeine thing anyway. Cause lots of the LDS guys I work with guzzle pepsi or mountain dew in large amounts.

Anyway, non issue either way. I hope the kid comes and likes what he sees becaues it seems he could be a type of kid that brings a element to our offense and return game that we need a bit off. Looks like a great athelete.