No, but those teams legitimately contend year after year after year after year. When was the last time any of the teams you mentioned finished a season with a .500 record?
It is all relative. For example, 7 of the 10 current Duke players have never won a game in the NCAA's. Do you see people calling for his job or saying the program is horrible? Of course not, then again, the vast majority of Griz fans are not of the opinion of run fast. I imagine you guys will be no where to be found when the Griz are winning again.
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Tinks has got one more year. Let him do his job. If, after the end of next season, we have another sub .500 record then I think we can all rest assured that a change will be made. Until then, he deserves our support as HC, as an alumnus and as a UM lifer. He paid his dues; he's earned the right to a certain level of forebearance while he tries to get this thing going in the right direction.
Tinks has got one more year. Let him do his job. If, after the end of next season, we have another sub .500 record then I think we can all rest assured that a change will be made. Until then, he deserves our support as HC, as an alumnus and as a UM lifer. He paid his dues; he's earned the right to a certain level of forebearance while he tries to get this thing going in the right direction.
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Losing Rundles and his whole experience turning bad is not good. He is a great talent. The other two, doesn't matter. I think rundles leaving though is bad for us long term.
Losing Rundles and his whole experience turning bad is not good. He is a great talent. The other two, doesn't matter. I think rundles leaving though is bad for us long term.
t's been speculated for a while now—especially with Zach Graves and Cameron Rundles—but as of Tuesday evening, it's official: these three players will not be returning to play basketball for the 2008-2009 season.
Most Griz fans never got a chance to see what "Big Dave" or Zach could do. Everyone raved about Graves' athleticism and Vanderjagt's potential presence inside but it was never realized. With Cam, it was different.
Cameron Rundles was recruited by Larry Krystkowiak as a point guard, a gritty floor general. But the point guard spot already had depth in senior Bryan Ellis and junior Matt Martin. At the beginning of the season, these two started at the guard positions but by the ninth game Rundles made the starting lineup. In a December 9th, 72-65 win over UC Riverside, he scored 13 points in 32 minutes.
By conference play, he was a major contributor. He earned Freshman of the Year honors and was the Big Sky's best three-point shooter, beating out Stephen Sir with a .481 clip during the regular season.
On top of the numbers, there were all the intangibles. From the beginning, it seemed as though he would inevitably become the leader the Griz needed. Maybe that had something to do with his downfall. Every time I spoke to him, he referenced being a leader, a coach on the floor. It'd be near impossible to get upper-classmen to listen to a struggling sophomore.
The slump was bad, no one can deny that, but I never thought it'd do him in. This kid once re-entered a high school playoff game and rallied his team from a 12-point deficit after suffering a concussion and gashing his face but he can't overcome a run-of-the-mill sophomore slump? Come on.
To him, it's undoubtedly more than that. There's probably some tension between he and Coach Tinkle over playing time and the like. To this Griz fan, that complaint seems unwarranted. Unlike some other players—see: Zach Graves, Matt Martin—he got minutes when he played well. You don't need to look any further than end of the last regular season match-up against Idaho State and the two games that followed to see this is the case.
Fans will bash his sometimes immature ways and poor decisions but no one can deny that he played with a lot of passion and tried to spread it to others. It usually looked like he was having some fun. He always took the big shots, the daggers. When a statement was needed, he'd try to make it.
I'm not going to lie, I think it's a terrible decision. I do not know what goes on behind closed doors so my judgement could be far, far off but I believe if he averaged 15 and 5 (assists) in limited minutes in the early games next season, a starting guard spot would his before Thanksgiving.
In summary: his freshman season was amazing, the slump was too much and both sides will regret this happened.
You were one of his biggest supporters and you certainly point out all his positive attributes. I am not going to say anything negative about the kid because his time as a Griz has come and gone. I think both Cam and the Griz will be better off next season. Cam will hopefully get the PT and attention he craves, and the Griz will replace him with someone who fills a need. I wish him well. Time to end this chapter imo.
I know the back in the day type speeches get old but, I long for the days that we had guys like Zip Rhodes, Russ Sheriff, both the Richardsons MR and MJ, Eric Hayes, Ken MacKenzie, Derric Pope, Mike Warhank, Kevin Criswell and many others. Go to type players that could bring the crowd to it's feet.
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I know the back in the day type speeches get old but, I long for the days that we had guys like Zip Rhodes, Russ Sheriff, both the Richardsons MR and MJ, Eric Hayes, Ken MacKenzie, Derric Pope, Mike Warhank, Kevin Criswell and many others. Go to type players that could bring the crowd to it's feet.
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