I work for a living...it's tbe ebst I got and the tip of the iceberg on this guy. I intend to counter all of you hypocrite sheep out there over the next several months with lots and lots of info and incidents liek this.
They have covered (covered up) this story for a year...if it were a white man, can yous ay the media would do the same.
not if your truthfull- so kis my ass BAC
I'd rather not kiss your ass, foe. But it would be great if you'd take a shot at applying some critical thinking to your analysis as opposed to reaching conclusions that you really, really want to reach as opposed to conclusions that are based in an understanding of context, history, and reality.
Oh, but let's call everybody racist who wants to elevate black people to an equal playing field with other races in this country. Those terrible, terrible people. And that MLK? Oh yeah, he was a racist, wasn't he? After all, he advocated all sorts of things to try to improve the lives of black people. But what did he ever do for white people? Nothing. What a racist, huh?
The world sure would be simple if we could just ignore the last 400 years of history and opporession of different races in our culture, eh? Then you actually could make apples to apples comparisons of all things related to race today. Unfortunately, as a direct result of our history, we can't do that, as some races have been explicitly disadvantaged and persecuted throughout our history.
But put your hands over your ears and yell "lalalalalaIcan'thearyou" as you try to believe the propoganda that suggests than anyone who is black who encourages people to support black businesses and support black colleges and other black people is a racist. You know it makes no sense at all ... but just keep trying to equate black to white while ignoring the realities of race in our country, and take pride in the fact that a few other people (with equally limited views of our society) will believe it as well.
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"God Damn America"
"The United States of the KKK"
just a few of his tidbits...
Think how many cute little sayings we will never hear about...things Obama heard for 20 years in his church.
Deny the facts- please!
Prounce to the world what a hypocrite you are!
Maybe we can start talking about illegal immigrants in this country some more while we are at it- that's always a fun topic that seems to get you all worked up.
Admit it or ignore my postings:
IF it were a White man, in the same circumstances..he would be forced out of politics and the church would be shut down, and every black leader in america would be all over the story, as would every media outlet...vs. them trying to sweep it all under the rug.
Reader, suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But of course, I repeat myself..."
-Samuel L. Clemens
Think how many cute little sayings we will never hear about...things Obama heard for 20 years in his church.
Deny the facts- please!
Prounce to the world what a hypocrite you are!
Maybe we can start talking about illegal immigrants in this country some more while we are at it- that's always a fun topic that seems to get you all worked up.
Admit it or ignore my postings:
IF it were a White man, in the same circumstances..he would be forced out of politics and the church would be shut down, and every black leader in america would be all over the story, as would every media outlet...vs. them trying to sweep it all under the rug.
So ... saying God Damn America is racist? How on earth do you come to that conclusion?
The United States of the KKK -- so calling a nation racist is racist? Huh? What sort of twisted logic is at play there. Does calling somebody else fat make you fat? Does calling somebody else brilliant make you brilliant?
The guy has said some radical things (many of which I disagree with) ... but none of them have been racist.
As for your last paragraph ... the facts don't support you there. White Evangelical "leaders" have been saying stuff very similar to this for years, and the GOP bows down to them publicly. The only difference is that you apparently ignore them but get really, really excited when a black man does it.
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Bay Area Cat wrote:
The guy has said some radical things (many of which I disagree with) ... but none of them have been racist.
read the original text I posted from his church and there is tons more info if you want to do your own research regarding this black liberation theology.
Reader, suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But of course, I repeat myself..."
-Samuel L. Clemens
The guy has said some radical things (many of which I disagree with) ... but none of them have been racist.
read the original text I posted from his church and there is tons more info if you want to do your own research regarding this black liberation theology.
I'm still just waiting for you to show me any kind of direct quote from this guy that is racist. That was the assertion you made, but have thus far failed to support with any evidence.
As for your last paragraph ... the facts don't support you there. White Evangelical "leaders" have been saying stuff very similar to this for years, and the GOP bows down to them publicly. The only difference is that you apparently ignore them but get really, really excited when a black man does it.
exactly. and not only do they bow down to them, but they get them six-figure jobs as tv talk show regulars on major networks. yee-haw!!!
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Bay Area Cat wrote:
Downwiththefoe wrote:
Bay Area Cat wrote:
The guy has said some radical things (many of which I disagree with) ... but none of them have been racist.
read the original text I posted from his church and there is tons more info if you want to do your own research regarding this black liberation theology.
I'm still just waiting for you to show me any kind of direct quote from this guy that is racist. That was the assertion you made, but have thus far failed to support with any evidence.
Like "I hate whitey?" on the back of his basketball jersey?
Lemme see if I can dig that one up...that was sent to me a few weeks ago, even someone on this board tried to defend it when I brought it up sometime back (as a joke)
Reader, suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But of course, I repeat myself..."
-Samuel L. Clemens
One of the biggest influences in my life is an African American named Les Brown. The far left radicals probably call him an Uncle Tom. But this man has inspired me and I own a library of his DVD's.
"I believe we live in the greatest Country in the World that gives us an opportunity to leave our mark, to make a statement with our lives." Les Brown
Well I never vote for someone that has no chance because they aren't on the major party tickets. If Keyes was running on the Republican ticket I would vote for him.
Well I never vote for someone that has no chance because they aren't on the major party tickets. If Keyes was running on the Republican ticket I would vote for him.
I was attacked as a racist because I oppose an African American candidate. Which is a total falsehood. I oppose the Marxist views of that candidate.
1. You clearly have no idea what Marxism is (hint: Obama is not Marxist).
2. I don't personally think you are a racist, but citing your favorite black people isn't exactly a compelling refutation to an assertion that you are racist. In fact, it raises some warning flags. To keep the Hitler analogy going (just to show how absurd it is to invoke Hitler in most conversations), even Hitler had a favorite Jew.
1. You clearly have no idea what Marxism is (hint: Obama is not Marxist).
Obama attended a Liberation Theology Church for 20 years.
Here is a rundown on the views of the Church.
1. Liberation Theology has it center of power in Latin America and in African Theology, but is found in many Christian denominations throughout the Third World.
2. Liberation Theology is a new interpretation of Christian reality.
3. Liberation Theology is radically Marxist. “ . . .the world must be interpreted in terms of the class struggle and that the only choice is between capitalism and Marxism.”
4. Liberation Theology thrives on perpetuating class struggle. The only people of the Church are those who participate in class struggle.
5. Liberation Theology is a theology of bloody political revolution. All of Christian reality is reduced to politico-social liberation praxis (action).
6. Liberation Theology rejects traditional scriptural interpretations. “The experience of the "community" determines the understanding and the interpretation of Scripture. . . Ultimately, what is normative for interpretation is not historical research but the hermeneutic of history experienced in the community or the political group.”
7. Liberation Theology makes the Bible subject to a Marxist view of history. “The "historicality" of the Bible must justify its absolute dominance and thus legitimize the' transition to materialist-marxist philosophy, in which history has taken over the role of God. . . historical criticism has loosed Scripture from the traditional interpretation, which now appears to be unscientific.
8. Liberation Theology is a threat to the faith of the Christian Church.
can you back up these rather sweeping assertions with specific examples?
in particular, how can liberation theology be a threat to the "faith" of christianity? by offering a different viewpoint that someone might think is "better" than mainstream christian theology?
oh, and out of curiosity, would you vote for an athiest, buddhist, or hindu for president?
1. You clearly have no idea what Marxism is (hint: Obama is not Marxist).
Obama attended a Liberation Theology Church for 20 years.
Here is a rundown on the views of the Church.
1. Liberation Theology has it center of power in Latin America and in African Theology, but is found in many Christian denominations throughout the Third World.
2. Liberation Theology is a new interpretation of Christian reality.
3. Liberation Theology is radically Marxist. “ . . .the world must be interpreted in terms of the class struggle and that the only choice is between capitalism and Marxism.”
4. Liberation Theology thrives on perpetuating class struggle. The only people of the Church are those who participate in class struggle.
5. Liberation Theology is a theology of bloody political revolution. All of Christian reality is reduced to politico-social liberation praxis (action).
6. Liberation Theology rejects traditional scriptural interpretations. “The experience of the "community" determines the understanding and the interpretation of Scripture. . . Ultimately, what is normative for interpretation is not historical research but the hermeneutic of history experienced in the community or the political group.”
7. Liberation Theology makes the Bible subject to a Marxist view of history. “The "historicality" of the Bible must justify its absolute dominance and thus legitimize the' transition to materialist-marxist philosophy, in which history has taken over the role of God. . . historical criticism has loosed Scripture from the traditional interpretation, which now appears to be unscientific.
8. Liberation Theology is a threat to the faith of the Christian Church.
I see you have been attending the Bronco school of posting -- copying and pasting large chunks of posts, making it appear that they are your own throughts, and not referencing anything at all ... all the while having no idea whether anything in there is legit or if it is completely bogus.
So this is stuff written by the current Pope about a religious movement IN 1984!
Not that anybody should give a shit what one radical political minister says about another radical political minister. In fact, we can easily come up with many Evangelical leaders (who are good friends of the GOP and McCain) who think the Pope is the anti-Christ ... so where does that leave us? The anti-Christ thinks that some black churches don't teach anti-Christ teachings correctly. How do we know this? Because a religous radical told us so.
It's also kind of funny that anyone would claim that Obama is a Marxist because his church promotes class struggle.
Have any of you supposed Christians actually read the Bible? Did you notice a hippie in there named Jesus who hated wealthy people and bankers and stood up for the poor and downtrodden in society? Yep, I guess he was a Marxist, and that makes all of you Marxists as well, right?
Oh, and Ronbo, you might be interested to find out that "the Christian Church" that you "wrote about" in your post after copying it from a blog is the CATHOLIC CHURCH. Ratinger saw this church as a threat to the CATHOLIC CHURCH. You, the CATHOLIC CHURCH, the one and only true Christian faith, as per Ratzinger back in 1984.
Bay Area Cat you are pretty smart for a bobcat. At least you are smarter than ronbo, --of course that ain't saying much. I am thankful to say ronbo is not a Griz grad. I think ronbo must have attended Rush Limbaugh's university.
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