HaHa! That's a typical response if you are in the Obama camp. How dare anyone be against the liar.
I've never attended a racist church. I'm very anti racist. It IS NOT OK for blacks or whites. Just because a guy is black he CANNOT be a racist. Obama is showing his true colors as a racist much in the mold of his mentor Rev. Wright.
How else can you explain his daily rant against Obama?
I really hope you are just trying to ruffle feathers. My biggest fear about this election is the possibility for words such as "racist" being thrown at those who challenge Obama's ideas and character (which should be done to all candidates). Race will have an impact on the general election. As much as people slander those who have different political differences, I’m nervous that people will unfairly accused of this. I especially hope that Sharpton and Jackson aren’t hawking to make such accusations as they’ve be been known to do before.
HaHa! That's a typical response if you are in the Obama camp. How dare anyone be against the liar.
I've never attended a racist church. I'm very anti racist. It IS NOT OK for blacks or whites. Just because a guy is black he CANNOT be a racist. Obama is showing his true colors as a racist much in the mold of his mentor Rev. Wright.
Right here you stereotype Obama supporters... "typical response if you are in the Obama camp." However, I don't think your statements are racist. Inflammatory and inaccurate, but not racist. You are a little loose with the racist charge yourself. Attending the church that Rev. Wright preached at does not make Obama a racist. Supporting Obama does not make me a racist.
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Obama is a racist...the proof is in his yearly tax contributions records..he will never live it down, why do you idiots think Billary is still around (he has supported him ($$$) for 20 years?)
He is a politician, a liar, and a member of a church with an anti-white pro-black racist preacher. Shame on Obama
These people are no better than Hitler against the Jews or The KKK or the Aryan Nations...etc.
If you believe it is...than you are a hypocrite and or a liar.
Reader, suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But of course, I repeat myself..."
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Poor baby…the truth about your candidate finally is coming out and all you do is call names.
Probably caused form 8 years of calling Bush names.
Better tough up because it won’t get any easier as November nears.
You might look into B.O. advisors and friends if you want to see real racists.
Just one white devils opinion.
Obama is a racist...the proof is in his yearly tax contributions records..he will never live it down, why do you idiots think Billary is still around (he has supported him ($$$) for 20 years?)
He is a politician, a liar, and a member of a church with an anti-white pro-black racist preacher. Shame on Obama
These people are no better than Hitler against the Jews or The KKK or the Aryan Nations...etc.
If you believe it is...than you are a hypocrite and or a liar.
Hitler my ass. Obama is way more than just a racist. He also communes with Satan and wants to sleep with all your white daughters while listening to Jazz and smoking refer.
"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act". Orwell
On second thought, it's also quite unfair to lump the Aryans in with the Nazi's or the KKK for that matter. After all, isn't there a difference to actually killing 6 million people versus paying homage to a concept of racial purity? And how many millions of people did Rev. Wright suggest we gas or lynch or even imply we do that to? Since he's on that level and all.
"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act". Orwell
All I ever saw quoted were his comments complaining about the treatment of black people historically by our government.
Did he actually say something racist (meaning he advocated the discrimination against people or claimed a superiority above other people based on their race), or was what I noted above the extent of it?
Direct quotes, please, as opposed to hysterical characterizations involving Hitler. I am seriously curious as to what is driving this "racist" talk about Wright. He seemed to have some radical opinions about U.S. foreign policy, but I didn't hear anything racist from his quotes.
And for the record, I am not assuming that Ronbo is a racist merely because he is obsessed with Obama like a crackhead is to a pipe. There are any number of reasons he might have such a fixation. Maybe he's an Obama girl in denial.
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Downwiththefoe wrote:
Like my Girlfriend's dad in high school said to me...."She aint gonna be kind of preagnant son"
To Mr. arrogant Griz law, better than eveyrone, there is no degree or certain level of racism
You are or you are not- he is - actions speak louder than his lies.
I'm sorry that you think I'm arrogant, but when people say stupid things, I'm going to roll my eyes.
You just told us that Senator Obama is just as bad as the man who started World War II and sent six million people to the gas chambers. Seriously...that's...just...stupid. I don't enjoy being a prick; if there was a nicer way to say it, I would. But there isn't.
I don't think I'm better than anyone, and actually, I agree with you on a lot of things a lot of the time. But when someone says something that I think is lame, I call them on it. If that bothers you...I dunno; maybe we could talk to Chris about adding a "Hugs & Smiles" board, so you'll have a place to hang out?
"I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: O Lord, make my enemies ridiculous. And God granted it." --Voltaire
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This letter to the editor of today's Wall Street Journal sums up my thoughts on the Reverend Wright matter pretty well:
Quote:
As a congregational rabbi of many years, I notice the Rev. Wright's incendiary comments quoted totaled three: in 2001, 2003 and 2007 respectively. I shudder to think how I would appear in print if someone with an ax to grind decided to take three quotations of mine out of context on almost any given topic over a decade-and-a-half. With skillful and tendentious excerpting, I could appear to be a wild-eyed right winger on Israel, or an anti-Zionist, depending on who is doing the splicing. In addition, the idea that we should be shocked that an African-American preacher would occasionally vent his anger at the country that has inflicted so much pain on his people is disingenuous at best. Let's move on to the real issues.
Rabbi Avi Winokur
Philadelphia
"I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: O Lord, make my enemies ridiculous. And God granted it." --Voltaire
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Downwiththefoe wrote:
Grizlaw wrote:
Downwiththefoe wrote:
These people are no better than Hitler against the Jews...
Like my Girlfriend's dad in high school said to me...."She aint gonna be kind of preagnant son"
To Mr. arrogant Griz law, better than eveyrone, there is no degree or certain level of racism
You are or you are not- he is - actions speak louder than his lies.
This thread is full of some crazy shite. But for pure crazy I nominate this post. All you need to know about it is that it comes from a Ron Paul supporter. And of course, everyone should know by now that Ron Paul said some scary racist stuff in his writings in the 80's, except that he is not man enough to own his statements and gives some BS excuse about somebody he paid wrote them without his knowledge.
For the record, I think anything about Ronbo or Obama being racist is garbage.
"GD it, PETAns piss me off! We're never gonna have a stupid Eagle or a faggy Bobcat as a mascot!"
All I ever saw quoted were his comments complaining about the treatment of black people historically by our government.
Did he actually say something racist (meaning he advocated the discrimination against people or claimed a superiority above other people based on their race), or was what I noted above the extent of it?
Direct quotes, please, as opposed to hysterical characterizations involving Hitler. I am seriously curious as to what is driving this "racist" talk about Wright. He seemed to have some radical opinions about U.S. foreign policy, but I didn't hear anything racist from his quotes.
And for the record, I am not assuming that Ronbo is a racist merely because he is obsessed with Obama like a crackhead is to a pipe. There are any number of reasons he might have such a fixation. Maybe he's an Obama girl in denial.
Some have equated Rev. Wright's tirades against Israel with anti-Semitism. I don't know if that's actually fair and I don't feel like googling the actual quotes. It's kinda like being labeled a racist if you don't support Sen. Obama. Not really fair in my opinion.
I don't know if I'd call Rev. Wright a "racist'.....I have absolutely no idea what that word means anymore. I do think he's racially divisive. His church has since pulled from up its web site that it demands its congregation to support Africa first, dedicate themselves to "black values" (whatever that is), and some other racially-charged goofiness. Racist? Perhaps not. Divisive? Yes.
Edit: Here's a piece that points out Rev. Wright's support for Louis Farrakhan who is the definition of an anti-Semite. The church, under Rev. Wright's leadership, said he "epitomized greatness". Does that make Rev. Wright "racist"? Depends who you talk to I guess.
The columnist summed up my thoughts exactly. It's often said that you can belong to an organization and not agree 100% with all of its beliefs. That's certainly true. I don't agree with everything my church espouses. But there are some things that are deal breakers with me. I have friends that are liberals, agnostic, etc. Small differences are all right. However, if any of them believe (or supported someone who believe) that Jewish people cooperated with Hitler "to get the Third Reich on the road" then we have to part company.
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You guys are too funny, one side of the fence or the other Please!!!
a recent e-mail sent to me regarding B.O.
Quote:
What Obama's Church Preaches
Well, well, well, ... In case you missed this little gem, People have been doing a little digging into Barack Hussein Obama's church, Trinity United Church of Christ .
... afrocentric in the extreme would be a gross understatement. It's not simply afrocentric, it's African-centric. In fact, one could argue that this organization worships things African to a far greater degree than they do Christ, and gives the impression of being a separatist "church" in the same vein as do certain supremacist "white brethren" churches – or even Louis Farrakhan's Nation of Islam.
Shocking? An overstatement? An overreaction?
One can see for oneself on the Trinity United Church website, which is replete with confirmation of what I present here. What follows is an excerpt from their Mission Statement:
"We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.
"Trinity United Church of Christ adopted the Black Value System written by the Manford Byrd Recognition Committee chaired by Vallmer Jordan in 1981. We believe in the following 12 precepts and covenantal statements. These Black Ethics must be taught and exemplified in homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever Blacks are gathered. They must reflect on the following concepts:
1. Commitment to God
2. Commitment to the Black Community
3. Commitment to the Black Family
4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
6. Adherence to the Black Work Ethic
7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness"
9. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Black Community
10. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions
11. Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System
12. Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System."
Sound familiar? Of course it is, since it's identical to the 12-point list ... – the one from the theoretical white supremacist candidate's church; the only difference is the substitution of the word "Black" for "White."
Do your own homework...the media has been covering this story up for a LONG time..., and ti is the only reason Billary is still around.
Reader, suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But of course, I repeat myself..."
-Samuel L. Clemens
You guys are too funny, one side of the fence or the other Please!!!
a recent e-mail sent to me regarding B.O.
Quote:
What Obama's Church Preaches
Well, well, well, ... In case you missed this little gem, People have been doing a little digging into Barack Hussein Obama's church, Trinity United Church of Christ .
... afrocentric in the extreme would be a gross understatement. It's not simply afrocentric, it's African-centric. In fact, one could argue that this organization worships things African to a far greater degree than they do Christ, and gives the impression of being a separatist "church" in the same vein as do certain supremacist "white brethren" churches – or even Louis Farrakhan's Nation of Islam.
Shocking? An overstatement? An overreaction?
One can see for oneself on the Trinity United Church website, which is replete with confirmation of what I present here. What follows is an excerpt from their Mission Statement:
"We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community.
"Trinity United Church of Christ adopted the Black Value System written by the Manford Byrd Recognition Committee chaired by Vallmer Jordan in 1981. We believe in the following 12 precepts and covenantal statements. These Black Ethics must be taught and exemplified in homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever Blacks are gathered. They must reflect on the following concepts:
1. Commitment to God
2. Commitment to the Black Community
3. Commitment to the Black Family
4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
6. Adherence to the Black Work Ethic
7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness"
9. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Black Community
10. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions
11. Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System
12. Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System."
Sound familiar? Of course it is, since it's identical to the 12-point list ... – the one from the theoretical white supremacist candidate's church; the only difference is the substitution of the word "Black" for "White."
Do your own homework...the media has been covering this story up for a LONG time..., and ti is the only reason Billary is still around.
If this is the best you got, then this whole "racist" assertion is a complete flop.
When a group of people who have been persecuted throughout history make a point of it to try to raise up their own people (who have been at a disadvantage through time due to said persecution), that's not racist. The common thread is race, yes, but they are looking out for each other due to their common experience of having their ancestors persecuted, not because they are racist against anyone else.
It's kind of sad how quickly people are willing to swallow these kinds of "racist" tags. When Jewish people banded together into organizations to look out for each other in the aftermath of WWII, does that make them racist? Of course not. Likewise, groups trying to raise up black people are not racist.
You'd think you "personal accountability" types would love their message. They are trying to advance the idea of self-empowerment that some people suggest that minorities don't have. But when they actually do this, then somebody twists reality beyond recognition and calls it "racist."
But wait, what's that I hear? Yeah, somebody's going to say "B-b-b-b-but if you substitute white for black in those sentences, you would say it's racist.
And with even the slightest understanding of history and context, one would understand the difference. White people have not been persecuted over time. White people have had virtually all of the power in this country over time. White people have no common history of persecution from which they need to rise up. We are just a bunch of people who came here by our own free will and had the run of things for the history of time. Therefore, when somebody clammer onto "white" stuff, they aren't doing it out of a need to rise up from any historic persectution -- they are most likely wanting to continue persecution of others and exclusion of others from the opportunities we all have completely free of any racial discrimination.
So yes, it's a completely different thing when a white person talks about advancing white people and when a black person talks about advancing black people. And it's frankly a little sad that some people blind themselves to this reality.
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I work for a living...So it's tbe best I got on short notice and the tip of the iceberg on this guy.
I intend to counter all of you hypocrite sheep out there over the next several months with lots and lots of info, don't you worry your spinmeister little arse.
They have covered (covered up) this story for a year...if it were a white man, can you say the media would do the same?
not if your truthfull-
so kiss my arssse BAC
racism and discrimination is wrong no matter what color, religion, etc a person is...covering it up and slanting the story is even worse.
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