Here's a hypothetical question I'd like a few of the Democrats on the board to opine on:
If HRC wins the popular vote in the primary, but Barack is selected at the convention, in part, because of the "He won the delegate count" argument (which I feel is just as convincing as the PV argument)...what then would you say if McCain goes on to win the Electoral College but Barack has a plurality of the PV?
Granted the nominating frameworks between the Democratic primary and the general election are notably different, but at the same time, the justification that many would use to claim candidate legitimacy can be applied at both ends of the spectrum...
Here's a hypothetical question I'd like a few of the Democrats on the board to opine on:
If HRC wins the popular vote in the primary, but Barack is selected at the convention, in part, because of the "He won the delegate count" argument (which I feel is just as convincing as the PV argument)...what then would you say if McCain goes on to win the Electoral College but Barack has a plurality of the PV?
Granted the nominating frameworks between the Democratic primary and the general election are notably different, but at the same time, the justification that many would use to claim candidate legitimacy can be applied at both ends of the spectrum...
Thoughts?
I don't think it would hold the same weight as in a general election, especialy when montana has a open primary. There will be a lot of traditionally republican voters casting a democratic ballot this June to try and get the "least electable" candidate up against McCain. The Presidential race is far more important to an average voter than selecting who will run against Baucus, Schwietzer, or any other democrat at any level.
I am not saying that if the tables were turned democratic voters wouldn't do the same, I just think that it is an inherent flaw within the system.
EVERYONE SHOULD VOTE FOR WHO THEY THINK IS THE BEST CANDIDATE (IN THEIR MIND) PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Stocks wrote:
Here's a hypothetical question I'd like a few of the Democrats on the board to opine on:
If HRC wins the popular vote in the primary, but Barack is selected at the convention, in part, because of the "He won the delegate count" argument (which I feel is just as convincing as the PV argument)...what then would you say if McCain goes on to win the Electoral College but Barack has a plurality of the PV?
Granted the nominating frameworks between the Democratic primary and the general election are notably different, but at the same time, the justification that many would use to claim candidate legitimacy can be applied at both ends of the spectrum...
Thoughts?
That's two big ifs. I'd be surprised HRC wins the popular vote and it's unlikely the PV will be that close, either way. If McCain wins the electoral vote I'll start bracing.
The thing is this: She'll win PA tomorrow, but most likely by 5% or so. Then Barack will win NC & Guam by probably 15% and then split Indiana 50/50.
Based on that scenario here's how the counts go:
PA: 71 to Barack, 87 to Hill
NC: 74 to Barack, 41 to Hill
Guam: 3 to Barack, 1 to Hill
IN: 36 each
So after May 3rd, even with a win in PA for Hillary Barack will have 184 new delegates to Hillary getting 165 - so he'll actually open up his lead by 19 more.
The big victory for Obama is that he tipped the heavy lead in PA to a very slight one. Meanwhile he widened his lead in NC and leveled out Indiana.
The Clinton campaign is in debt again, and they'll need to really slam Indiana for a prayer to break even. If not Barack could open it up even more being able to outspend her.
I am talking about Montana, the repubs here made sure that no dems were voting. Unfortunately only the "inner party" of the state was allowed to vote, leaving the "outer party" out in the cold.
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Re/MaxGriz wrote:
The Clinton campaign is in debt again, and they'll need to really slam Indiana for a prayer to break even. If not Barack could open it up even more being able to outspend her.
Bill has an open check book, your kidding yourself, but they won't throw it all at Barack if need be, including money.
However, let's say she loeses, if they don't win the nomination, they want Barack to choose Hill as the VP.
I'll say this again,
If she can legally steal it (Super Delagates) and she and Bill think she can get away with it during the main electiion against Johnny Mac, she will.
take this to the bank....when did a Clinton last lose an election that they ran in? Hillary and 7th grade Class Treasurer?
Reader, suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But of course, I repeat myself..."
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The Clinton campaign is in debt again, and they'll need to really slam Indiana for a prayer to break even. If not Barack could open it up even more being able to outspend her.
Bill has an open check book, your kidding yourself, but they won't throw it all at Barack if need be, including money.
However, let's say she loeses, if they don't win the nomination, they want Barack to choose Hill as the VP.
I'll say this again,
If she can legally steal it (Super Delagates) and she and Bill think she can get away with it during the main electiion against Johnny Mac, she will.
take this to the bank....when did a Clinton last lose an election that they ran in? Hillary and 7th grade Class Treasurer?
Bill lost the govenorship of arkansaw in an election in the early 80's/Late 70s i belive.
but anyone thinking that HC will drop out of this race is kidding themselves. She is in until the end
class 1996
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The Clinton Machine will take anything they can get..they prefer a Clinton-Obama ticket, but in the end, they would take what I am sure they consider another 16 years hanging around the White house in one job title or another.
Reader, suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But of course, I repeat myself..."
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class 1996
