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Why Obama is struggling to get to the finish line.

Race

20%
 20%  [ 4 ]

Experience

30%
 30%  [ 6 ]

Trust

5%
 5%  [ 1 ]

Too Many Promises

0%
 0%  [ 0 ]

Association with Rev Wright

25%
 25%  [ 5 ]

Other

20%
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  Wed Apr 23, 2008 1:56 pm  
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Obama has won the majority of states, the math indicates Hillary cannot overtake him, so why can't he close the deal with voters?
 


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  Wed Apr 23, 2008 2:21 pm  
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Because of the order of the primaries. At least, that's my answer.

If NC and Indiana had come before PA, this would be over by now.
 
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  Wed Apr 23, 2008 2:32 pm  
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Because of the order of the primaries. At least, that's my answer.

If NC and Indiana had come before PA, this would be over by now.


Do you think HC might be able to convince the Super Delegates to side with her now?
 


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  Wed Apr 23, 2008 2:33 pm  
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My answer would be that it is pretty amazing that Obama has come this far against Hilary. Not long before Iowa she was the de facto nominee. Even after New Hampshire most pundits thought she was the de facto nominee. So Obama came from way behind before the race started and now still has a few places where it is difficult for him to oust her.

My guess is Obama will outspend Clinton like crazy in North Carolina and Indiana and make back more delegates in those states than he lost in Pennsylvania. After that most of the superdelegates will get in line behind Obama, and many will change from Clinton to Obama. And thus, Montana will still not matter.
 
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My gal Hill now has the most votes if you include Mich and Florida.
We must count all the votes

She's been taking shots with the boys in a bar and saying she would wipe out "those people" in Iran.

Can you imagine if Bush had said that?
 
 
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  Wed Apr 23, 2008 2:47 pm  
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It is not at all surprising that she won last night. PA is basically made up of her core audience, older blue collar northerners with little education.

It is just a matter of time before he wins, I just hope that it stays fairly "civil" for the party's sake.
 
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  Wed Apr 23, 2008 2:52 pm  
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My gal Hill now has the most votes if you include Mich and Florida.
We must count all the votes


As long as we set aside that the fact that the purple teletubbie would have won Michigan if it was the only "person" on the ballot, too.

She faced stiff competition from people voting for "none of the above," which is an impressive showing for "NOTA."
 
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Hmm... the majority really thinks that right now people won't vote for Barack b/c of his race?

I'd guess experience, it's what she's been hammering recently.
 
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It's probably because Sen. Obama will only take the oath of office with his hand on the Quran.

Seriously, it's probably a combination of old race issues, loyalty to the Clintons, and experience.
 
 
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Race??????


Puhhhlease, WTF even has the nerve to seriously check that as an option.


He is losing this because:

-His elitist attitude towards middle america (the bitter comments)
-he has no experience at almost anything
-His Smug attitude toward the USA (no flag pin, no respect for the pledge, no hand across his heart, etc etc)
-Way way too liberal for the avg. American
-His association for 20 years with a pro-black anti-white church/rev.
-His wife

Do we need to go on- he is done. Ironic his own words at a fundraiser will do him... in when the Clintons, his huge money lead, the rev. Wright / Slum lord associations, could not briong him down.

Yet he self destructs at the last minute. It will go down in history as a huge political blunder.They said tonight if the race plays out as expected, she would only need 58% of the Super Delegates vote to win the nomination

That's it?????!!!! #shocked


She will be the Democratic Nominee.

Take it to the bank! PM me your wagers
 
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Because of the order of the primaries. At least, that's my answer.

If NC and Indiana had come before PA, this would be over by now.


Do you think HC might be able to convince the Super Delegates to side with her now?


Not if she doesn't manage to win about 60% of the vote from here on out ... and barring Obama getting caught buggering a dog or something, I don't see that happening.

If Clinton was able to "steal" the nomination from a candidate who lead her in the popular vote and the delegate count, not to mention a black candidate (not a good constituency to give the appearance of ripping off for a Democrat), there would be a complete meltdown within the party.

The numbers just don't work for her, unless something really dramatic happens. She needed to win by 10% in PA just to stay in the race ... but it doesn't really put her in much of a better position going forward in the grander scheme of things.
 
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Take it to the bank! PM me your wagers


Straight up? No odds or anything? How many $K are you willing to put up? Sounds like easy money to me.

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Might also be that all our enemies support him for commander in chief..wonder why?

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Terrorist Fundraisers for Obama

By Patrick Poole
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Two years ago, Hatem El-Hady was the chairman of the Toledo, Ohio-based Islamic charity, Kindhearts, which was closed by the US government in February 2006 for terrorist fundraising and all its assets frozen. Today, El-Hady has redirected his fundraising efforts for his newest cause - Barack Obama for President.

http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=62031 78D-C782-42E2-8D56-765A3D7EDCD7
 
 
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Downwiththefoe wrote:
Race??????

Puhhhlease, WTF even has the nerve to seriously check that as an option.

She will be the nominee. Take it to the bank! PM me your wagers


Well I read this morning that exit polling showed, albeit not large, a number of voters saying that race was the deciding factor in their decision in the PA primary. In a close race, it could be the deciding factor.

And I have an urge to take you on that bet. I've been, and will continue to be a huge McCain supporter, but I think the odds of Clinton getting the nomination are fairly small.
 
 
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Bay Area Cat wrote:
Downwiththefoe wrote:

Take it to the bank! PM me your wagers


Straight up? No odds or anything? How many $K are you willing to put up? Sounds like easy money to me.

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It would be a badge of honor for me to take all of your egriz bucks and allow me to provide you with the text to your signature here in egriz for the remainder of the year.


"I'm casting my vote for Down with the Foe for President of the United States..."

Something to the tone of that

and you have to write my screen name in as your candidate of choice for the November election"

If you and barack win- you get all my egriz bucks...

That's a fair bet seeing how far down she supposedly is - That's how confident I am in that Barack is done...and the CLinton machine (who I have no love loss for you all know that) will win the party nomination.

Yes...there will be a Democratic political party meltdown before this is all said and done.
 
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...any one that believes..race is not an issue...
...doesn't understand much about america...
...hc will win on the convention floor..because..
...america is little less sexist..than it is.. racist...
... #help ...
 
 
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Might also be that all our enemies support him for commander in chief..wonder why?

One more to add to the growing list

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Terrorist Fundraisers for Obama

By Patrick Poole
FrontPageMagazine.com | Wednesday, April 23, 2008

Two years ago, Hatem El-Hady was the chairman of the Toledo, Ohio-based Islamic charity, Kindhearts, which was closed by the US government in February 2006 for terrorist fundraising and all its assets frozen. Today, El-Hady has redirected his fundraising efforts for his newest cause - Barack Obama for President.

http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=62031 78D-C782-42E2-8D56-765A3D7EDCD7


I'm not sure any candidate will do more to help our enemies than George Bush.
 
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kalm wrote:
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Might also be that all our enemies support him for commander in chief..wonder why?

One more to add to the growing list

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Terrorist Fundraisers for Obama

By Patrick Poole
FrontPageMagazine.com | Wednesday, April 23, 2008

Two years ago, Hatem El-Hady was the chairman of the Toledo, Ohio-based Islamic charity, Kindhearts, which was closed by the US government in February 2006 for terrorist fundraising and all its assets frozen. Today, El-Hady has redirected his fundraising efforts for his newest cause - Barack Obama for President.

http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=62031 78D-C782-42E2-8D56-765A3D7EDCD7


I'm not sure any candidate will do more to help our enemies than George Bush.


Any chance you can stay on topic, or start another Bush bashing thread on your own? #offtopic
 


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Obama will win because he's mild manered and soft, which Democrats love. It's the party's achillies heel.
He talks a good game, has a great smile, is very book smart and like his party, doesn't want to roll up his sleeves and fight. In fact that's part of his platform. Political fights are old school, something the country should move beyond. He's promising not to roll around in the mud and that's what his supporters echo. Listen to all the hand wringing over the consequences of a drawn out primary. Democrats are like kids who can't stand to hear mommy and daddy yelling at each other. They hate a fight and won't elect a fighter. Think about it. --
Jimmy Carter, Walter Mondale, Michael Dukakis, John Kerry, Clinton (pre-1994)--these guys were not comfortable being attacked, didn't know how to respond and with the exception of bubba got their asses handed to them. Obama can't even cope with a flag pin assault from a middle-aged housewife from Latrobe, Pennsylvania--it's a totally bullshit question, by the way, but the guy just couldn't cut it.
Come August, the Republicans are going to once again slap around a Democrat softee like second grade bullies and the softee is just going to assume that deer in the headlights gaze and take it as if he never saw it coming.
 
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Might also be that all our enemies support him for commander in chief..wonder why?

One more to add to the growing list

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Terrorist Fundraisers for Obama

By Patrick Poole
FrontPageMagazine.com | Wednesday, April 23, 2008

Two years ago, Hatem El-Hady was the chairman of the Toledo, Ohio-based Islamic charity, Kindhearts, which was closed by the US government in February 2006 for terrorist fundraising and all its assets frozen. Today, El-Hady has redirected his fundraising efforts for his newest cause - Barack Obama for President.

http://www.frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=62031 78D-C782-42E2-8D56-765A3D7EDCD7


I'm not sure any candidate will do more to help our enemies than George Bush.


Any chance you can stay on topic, or start another Bush bashing thread on your own? #offtopic


Oops. You're right. Guilty as charged.

It's Clinton's fault. Cut taxes.

Is that better? #thumb
 
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