Big Sky is just a stepping stone to the WAC.

by **Grizbacker1** on Sun Apr 27, 2008 4:37 pm

MrTitleist wrote:
Grizbacker1 wrote:Anyone who thinks the WAC or MWC is big time is high.

The MWC is getting close to leap frogging a BCS conf. or two in the Sagarin's.

Thanks for making my point.

by **griz8791** on Sun Apr 27, 2008 5:25 pm

In one fell swoop we would have a schedule where almost everyone we play is better than us. We would once again be the lean, hungry underdog.

by **Paytonlives** on Mon Apr 28, 2008 5:10 am

griz8791 wrote:In one fell swoop we would have a schedule where almost everyone we play is better than us. We would once again be the lean, hungry underdog.

Its about time...

The Big Sky is boring at its best.

by **Paytonlives** on Mon Apr 28, 2008 5:28 am

I used to be anti move up. But as each year goes by it gets harder and harder to stay "little" minded. I now have kids of my own and would never tell them to stop competing and be content to be the best 5th grader you can. I tell them to try and beat the 7th graders if they can. Its called competition!! Its a life skill, one the Griz are failing at. The BSC has come to a point that it offers nothing for UM. UM is what is keeping the Big Sky afloat. Its time to move. If its the WAC or not its a good thing and the right time (give or take a few years)!!! The football team is ready, the Lady Griz are ready and tinks will have the Men ready in a short amount of time.

Griz vs. BSC (W-L) football
Weber 35-11
MSU 67-35-5
ISU 37-13
NCU 7-1
PSU 24-11
EWU 23-10-1
Sac 14-0 ?
NAU 30-11

TOTAL 237-92-6

by **putter** on Mon Apr 28, 2008 1:04 pm

griz8791 wrote:In one fell swoop we would have a schedule where almost everyone we play is better than us. We would once again be the lean, hungry underdog.

I agree however I would like to see more consistency in the playoffs. Or rather, more winning consistency in the playoffs before our heads get too big.

by **Bay Area Cat** on Mon Apr 28, 2008 1:22 pm

ronbo wrote:Dude I've been a Sports fan my entire life. I was raised in California, lived in Minnesota and Missouri and I had never heard of the Big Sky till I moved to Montana in 1994.

That's kind of strange ... almost every person I meet in California that is any kind of sports fan at all has heard of the Big Sky Conference.

I agree ... if this writer literally hadn't heard of the BSC prior to 8 months ago, he's really ignorant by sports writer standards ... and not knowledgable even by regular sports fan standards.

by **Spanky** on Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:01 pm

BAC...you must live in a different California.

by **Bay Area Cat** on Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:02 pm

Spanky wrote:BAC...you must live in a different California.

Guess so ...

by **ronbo** on Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:06 pm

Bay Area Cat wrote:
ronbo wrote:Dude I've been a Sports fan my entire life. I was raised in California, lived in Minnesota and Missouri and I had never heard of the Big Sky till I moved to Montana in 1994.

That's kind of strange ... almost every person I meet in California that is any kind of sports fan at all has heard of the Big Sky Conference.

I agree ... if this writer literally hadn't heard of the BSC prior to 8 months ago, he's really ignorant by sports writer standards ... and not knowledgable even by regular sports fan standards.

That would make sense if you follow the Big Sky you could be talking to folks that know of Sac. State for instance. I lived in SoCal and I lived in Sacramento (before they were in the Big Sky) and in Modesto. I followed USC, San Jose State, Cal, and Stanford and truly had never heard of the Big Sky. I remember Idaho (in the late 70's?) having a really good basketball team in the NCAA tourney but I had no idea what Conference they were in.

by **griz8791** on Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:19 pm

putter wrote:
griz8791 wrote:In one fell swoop we would have a schedule where almost everyone we play is better than us. We would once again be the lean, hungry underdog.

I agree however I would like to see more consistency in the playoffs. Or rather, more winning consistency in the playoffs before our heads get too big.

I'm afraid our heads are already too big. I realize a move would be a very complicated issue but I am starting to warm up to it because, in part, I don't like how our current staff immediately gets angry and defensive when asked why we don't make more of an effort to schedule elite FCS teams.

by **oGriz** on Tue Apr 29, 2008 1:01 pm

There are lots of positives to moving up.

For example, the current fans like to bitch about the Griz not scheduling elite FCS teams.

When we move up, we will surely schedule elite FCS teams. And some not so elite FBS teams, unless we go "money whorin" and let USC have their way with us. Oooo.

by **General Disarray** on Tue Apr 29, 2008 1:22 pm

oGriz wrote:There are lots of positives to moving up.

For example, the current fans like to bitch about the Griz not scheduling elite FCS teams.

When we move up, we will surely schedule elite FCS teams. And some not so elite FBS teams, unless we go "money whorin" and let USC have their way with us. Oooo.

Idaho averaged 11,479 fans per game last season so they were sort of forced to "money whore" themselves to USC for a large check. If UM was bringing in 25,000-30,000 per contest, we would not be in the same situation as UI financially, and could probably be a little more selective when it comes to scheduling.

by **Grizbacker1** on Tue Apr 29, 2008 1:35 pm

Paytonlives wrote:I used to be anti move up. But as each year goes by it gets harder and harder to stay "little" minded. I now have kids of my own and would never tell them to stop competing and be content to be the best 5th grader you can. I tell them to try and beat the 7th graders if they can. Its called competition!! Its a life skill, one the Griz are failing at. The BSC has come to a point that it offers nothing for UM. UM is what is keeping the Big Sky afloat. Its time to move. If its the WAC or not its a good thing and the right time (give or take a few years)!!! The football team is ready, the Lady Griz are ready and tinks will have the Men ready in a short amount of time.

Griz vs. BSC (W-L) football
Weber 35-11
MSU 67-35-5
ISU 37-13
NCU 7-1
PSU 24-11
EWU 23-10-1
Sac 14-0 ?
NAU 30-11

TOTAL 237-92-6

And UM has the following record against:

Boise State 9-16
Idaho 27-55
Wyoming 0-13
Utah State 8-26
Nevada 4-10
New Mexico 4-10
SJSU 0-3
Washington State 2-32
Oregon State 2-12

Total 56-177

by **General Disarray** on Tue Apr 29, 2008 1:56 pm

Comparing UM football pre-1995 and post-1995 are like comparing apples to oranges. Some things in undergo rapid, unexpected growth and UM football is one of those things.

by **Grizbacker1** on Tue Apr 29, 2008 2:35 pm

General Disarray wrote:Comparing UM football pre-1995 and post-1995 are like comparing apples to oranges. Some things in undergo rapid, unexpected growth and UM football is one of those things.

If someone is going to toss out all time won loss records for BSC teams, then it is only fair to see how the Griz fared against teams the Griz would likely face in a move up. Maybe some of you just don't want to see it, but face it, the Griz barely beat shitty Idaho teams and this was years you seem to think matter. In fact, Idaho beat UM in 1995, and 1999. The Griz barely beat them in 2000, 2001, 2002, and 2003 so i think the records against Idaho, Boise, and Nevada are very applicable, or at least as much as the other records posted. What relevance does the Cat/Griz game of 1897 have?? I rest my case.

by **MrTitleist** on Tue Apr 29, 2008 2:44 pm

We actually have pretty unfavorable records against Boise, Nevada, and Idaho.

by **Spanky** on Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:05 pm

We need to look to the future regarding our athletic programs. Even if we may have lost every game to Idaho, Boise State and Nevada in the past doesn't mean that we will lose to them in the future. When we are in the WAC we will be able to recruit more talented athletes and we will be competitive. Yes, it won't be like beating up on Ft. Lewis, Albany, Northern Colorado, but we will be playing better teams made up of athletes that will be fun to watch. Griz football will be more than a Dennison profit center and a spectacle of skydivers and Monte. The time is now to look to the future regarding an improved conference with the change rather than constantly looking to the past.

by **Grizbacker1** on Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:15 pm

MrTitleist wrote:We actually have pretty unfavorable records against Boise, Nevada, and Idaho.

What amazes me is how some on here think all of a sudden the Griz are going to compete at the top of the WAC, just because we are at the top of the BSC. I know a lof of the newbies were nto around when Nevada, Idaho, and Boise were in the BSC, but guess what, the Griz were not the kingpins then. If the Griz move up, I am with them just like I was back in Dornblaser, but do not be surprised when 5000-7500 fairweather johnny come lately fans jump ship after a couple 4-7 seasons.

One last thing, I don't recall reading a thing where the WAC is courting the Griz. I guess the Griz just tell them we are coming eh?

by **citygriz** on Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:15 pm

points, points and more points pointing to a move up:

1. many of the records cited are "all-time" records, before montana began to assert itself as a football school circa 1990;

2. against all d-1 teams since the inception of the big sky conference we were playing with 63 scholarships versus 80-something for our opponents, and except for the idaho series, we always played on their turf--two conditions that would change if we moved up;

3. since the ncaa put a limit on the number of scholarships a school could offer, the competitive playing field has been levelled considerably, enabling a boise state or marshall to establish themselves against superior programs, and erasing the huge huge advantage the power programs used to have when they could give an infinite number of scholarships and stockpile talent;

4. while the "scoreboard" may show that the sentiment on this board has moved to 50-50, "mo" is clearly with a move up, reflecting, i think, the fact this debate is generational in nature, with the senior citizens who recall the old skyline conference resisting mightily, while the gen x'ers and millenium generation are ready for the challenge.

by **Spanky** on Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:22 pm

This old timer recalls the Skyline Conference which was in the past. We have no business playing in a community college conference any longer. It's time for us to play with the big boys.

by **hokeyfine** on Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:30 pm

Sign of the Apocolypse: I agree with gb1..........

the griz had a pretty good football team in 69 and 70, lost to ndsu in the title tilt.

the griz are not going to have their pick of who comes to denny-griz when they are 1a. usc is not going to come here. utah will give you a 2-1, idaho will 1-1, washington state 2-1, etc.... not because they are afraid to play here, they don't need to.

by **General Disarray** on Tue Apr 29, 2008 4:01 pm

Grizbacker1 wrote:
General Disarray wrote:Comparing UM football pre-1995 and post-1995 are like comparing apples to oranges. Some things in undergo rapid, unexpected growth and UM football is one of those things.

If someone is going to toss out all time won loss records for BSC teams, then it is only fair to see how the Griz fared against teams the Griz would likely face in a move up. Maybe some of you just don't want to see it, but face it, the Griz barely beat shitty Idaho teams and this was years you seem to think matter. In fact, Idaho beat UM in 1995, and 1999. The Griz barely beat them in 2000, 2001, 2002, and 2003 so i think the records against Idaho, Boise, and Nevada are very applicable, or at least as much as the other records posted. What relevance does the Cat/Griz game of 1897 have?? I rest my case.

I wasn't just addressing you. I think your and Payton's posts are both irrelevant.

by **coyote** on Tue Apr 29, 2008 4:05 pm

What does it matter what any of the records WERE? A move up opens a lot of new doors that would make everything different.

by **ronbo** on Tue Apr 29, 2008 4:06 pm

All I have to say to fans that are afraid to play Boise State, Idaho, Nevada, Wyoming, Utah State, San Jose State, Lousiana Tech, Colorado State, San Diego State, New Mexico State, etc, etc.

is......................

Bawk, Bawk, Bawk, Brrrrrraaaawwwwwwkkkkkk!!!!!!

Chickens!

by **Grizbacker1** on Tue Apr 29, 2008 4:12 pm

General Disarray wrote:
Grizbacker1 wrote:
General Disarray wrote:Comparing UM football pre-1995 and post-1995 are like comparing apples to oranges. Some things in undergo rapid, unexpected growth and UM football is one of those things.

If someone is going to toss out all time won loss records for BSC teams, then it is only fair to see how the Griz fared against teams the Griz would likely face in a move up. Maybe some of you just don't want to see it, but face it, the Griz barely beat shitty Idaho teams and this was years you seem to think matter. In fact, Idaho beat UM in 1995, and 1999. The Griz barely beat them in 2000, 2001, 2002, and 2003 so i think the records against Idaho, Boise, and Nevada are very applicable, or at least as much as the other records posted. What relevance does the Cat/Griz game of 1897 have?? I rest my case.

I wasn't just addressing you. I think your and Payton's posts are both irrelevant.

Which is precisely what I was trying to point out.

Big Sky is just a stepping stone to the WAC.

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