Big Sky is just a stepping stone to the WAC.

by **Silvertip** on Sat May 10, 2008 12:59 pm

MrTitleist wrote:It should be noted: if you take the total number of eGrizzers (this # includes all of SGFs names, etc), we represent exactly 5000'ish people.. that fills exactly 1/5 of the stadium. 1/5 doesn't constitute a majority of fans that want to move up. I believe that the majority of Griz fans that walk through the turnstiles have no f##king idea about who we're playing, don't care enough to put any thought into what better competition would be like in the WAC or MWC, or think that we could schedule someone like Texas at UCLA at home. That.. you could probably take to the bank.

Whoaaa! Your description of most Griz fans would make me wonder if this crowd can walk and chew gum at the same time? I guess I'm proud to be part of the smarty-pants minority who at least know the virtues of FBS over the FCS, and not the crowd you describe who sound like extras from The Night of the Living Dead. I don't know what kind of argument you were trying to make, but it sure works for me.

by **ronbo** on Sat May 10, 2008 4:05 pm

Almost everyone, and I mean 90+% of Griz fans young and old, male and female that I've spoken to at the stadium since 1994 have been fairly knowledgeable to very knowledgeable. I'm not talking just about people that are at the tailgates, but people in the stadium, people I've stood in line with at the ticket office, people at the Press Box, and the Broadway Sports Grill, etc.

It's kind of insulting to hear someone say 17,000 of the 23,000 don't know anything or even care who we play.

I think those 17,000 are just as big fans as eGrizzers they just don't give a sh!t about eGriz.

by **Grizbacker1** on Sat May 10, 2008 4:07 pm

ronbo wrote:Almost everyone, and I mean 90+% of Griz fans young and old, male and female that I've spoken to at the stadium since 1994 have been fairly knowledgeable to very knowledgeable. I'm not talking just about people that are at the tailgates, but people in the stadium, people I've stood in line with at the ticket office, people at the Press Box, and the Broadway Sports Grill, etc.

It's kind of insulting to hear someone say 17,000 of the 23,000 don't know anything or even care who we play.

Ronbo,

Isn't everyone you talk to more knowledgeable than you?

by **ronbo** on Sat May 10, 2008 4:10 pm

Grizbacker1 wrote:
ronbo wrote:Almost everyone, and I mean 90+% of Griz fans young and old, male and female that I've spoken to at the stadium since 1994 have been fairly knowledgeable to very knowledgeable. I'm not talking just about people that are at the tailgates, but people in the stadium, people I've stood in line with at the ticket office, people at the Press Box, and the Broadway Sports Grill, etc.

It's kind of insulting to hear someone say 17,000 of the 23,000 don't know anything or even care who we play.

Ronbo,

Isn't everyone you talk to more knowledgeable than you?

I wish they were, then I wouldn't have the knowledge of some of the people on here. LOL

by **MrTitleist** on Sat May 10, 2008 4:48 pm

Silvertip wrote:Whoaaa! Your description of most Griz fans would make me wonder if this crowd can walk and chew gum at the same time? I guess I'm proud to be part of the smarty-pants minority who at least know the virtues of FBS over the FCS, and not the crowd you describe who sound like extras from The Night of the Living Dead. I don't know what kind of argument you were trying to make, but it sure works for me.

If the shoe fits!

But seriously, my estimation might have been high, but you know there's a good number of fans there that could either care less, only go for the social part of it, or are there just to see the team win no matter how it gets done or who it's against. We, as Athomeinthedahlbergden referred us as the fanatics, only represent a small majority that pack the stadium, and even smaller majority that represent Griz Nation everywhere else.. so everyone saying, "Everyone I talk to says we should move up.." yeah well, talking with your poker buddies or people at the turnstiles are hardly a majority.

by **kemajic** on Sun May 11, 2008 12:55 am

PlayerRep wrote:Tip, I'll take one Montana for 4 Nevadas, Idahos, Boise States and Fresno States.

Yes Kem, the "tide is turning", as evidenced by 50 anonymous posters on egriz wanting to move up, rather than 25 from a year ago. That's some kind of analysis for someone who says he's got a PhD.

I said? Where?

by **Paytonlives** on Mon May 12, 2008 4:40 am

PlayerRep wrote:Spanky, the truth is that you don't know what you're talking about this subject.

The vast majority of Griz fans are not interested in moving to I-AA. Just because some posters on egriz want to move up, doesn't mean that the majority of fans do.

Also, what's the basis for saying moving up is going to earn the UM a bunch of money? Have you done your own feasibility study? Jeez, why don't you provide it to O'Day, and save the athletic dept. a bunch of money.

Why would you want to reduce the number of home games from to 5 or 6 per years, from 8 - 10 per year? Don't you like the playoffs? Don't you like seeing the Montana kids play?

Do you think new conference revenue would offset the loss of home game revenue?

Where do you think the extra $5 million per year is going to come from? Hogan always said that the additional revenue would have to start years before moving up and continue for the foreseeable future, including until after the conference revenue even started (which can be after several years in the new conference and after a buy-in).

Why risk damaging or destryoying a great thing, for chasing a windmill or pie in the sky?

Everyone likes to bash Idaho for moving up because of the same items you listed above... yet In a poll last year only 10% of Idaho fans wanted to move back to 1-AA. What???

by **ronbo** on Mon May 12, 2008 6:48 am

Paytonlives wrote:
PlayerRep wrote:Spanky, the truth is that you don't know what you're talking about this subject.

The vast majority of Griz fans are not interested in moving to I-AA. Just because some posters on egriz want to move up, doesn't mean that the majority of fans do.

Also, what's the basis for saying moving up is going to earn the UM a bunch of money? Have you done your own feasibility study? Jeez, why don't you provide it to O'Day, and save the athletic dept. a bunch of money.

Why would you want to reduce the number of home games from to 5 or 6 per years, from 8 - 10 per year? Don't you like the playoffs? Don't you like seeing the Montana kids play?

Do you think new conference revenue would offset the loss of home game revenue?

Where do you think the extra $5 million per year is going to come from? Hogan always said that the additional revenue would have to start years before moving up and continue for the foreseeable future, including until after the conference revenue even started (which can be after several years in the new conference and after a buy-in).

Why risk damaging or destryoying a great thing, for chasing a windmill or pie in the sky?

Everyone likes to bash Idaho for moving up because of the same items you listed above... yet In a poll last year only 10% of Idaho fans wanted to move back to 1-AA. What???

Come now Payton you've read the propoganda here. Message baord polls only reflect the feeling of several dozen football fanantics. In reality, the majority of Idaho fans want to move back to the Big Sky where life is good and wins come easy.

by **PlayerRep** on Mon May 12, 2008 9:06 am

Can some of you not distinguish between Idaho moving down and Montana moving up? Do you think the factors in the decisions would be the same? Do you think the schools are the same?

Do you think the factors in planning to go on vacation, and going on vacation, are the same as returning from vacation?

Jeez guys, not even apples and oranges. More like apples and corn.

by **dbackjon** on Mon May 12, 2008 9:22 am

Paytonlives wrote:
PlayerRep wrote:Spanky, the truth is that you don't know what you're talking about this subject.

The vast majority of Griz fans are not interested in moving to I-AA. Just because some posters on egriz want to move up, doesn't mean that the majority of fans do.

Also, what's the basis for saying moving up is going to earn the UM a bunch of money? Have you done your own feasibility study? Jeez, why don't you provide it to O'Day, and save the athletic dept. a bunch of money.

Why would you want to reduce the number of home games from to 5 or 6 per years, from 8 - 10 per year? Don't you like the playoffs? Don't you like seeing the Montana kids play?

Do you think new conference revenue would offset the loss of home game revenue?

Where do you think the extra $5 million per year is going to come from? Hogan always said that the additional revenue would have to start years before moving up and continue for the foreseeable future, including until after the conference revenue even started (which can be after several years in the new conference and after a buy-in).

Why risk damaging or destryoying a great thing, for chasing a windmill or pie in the sky?

Everyone likes to bash Idaho for moving up because of the same items you listed above... yet In a poll last year only 10% of Idaho fans wanted to move back to 1-AA. What???

Of course they won't admit that - that would be admitting failure, and the fact that they can't compete/keep up with Boise Community College. Idaho made a mistake moving up, and whether or not they admit it publicly doesn't change that fact.

In reality, Montana is not comparible to either Boise or Idaho. Montana isn't as well situated as Boise, but has a much better chance of success that Idaho had.

by **coyote** on Mon May 12, 2008 9:29 am

dbackjon wrote:
Paytonlives wrote:
PlayerRep wrote:Spanky, the truth is that you don't know what you're talking about this subject.

The vast majority of Griz fans are not interested in moving to I-AA. Just because some posters on egriz want to move up, doesn't mean that the majority of fans do.

Also, what's the basis for saying moving up is going to earn the UM a bunch of money? Have you done your own feasibility study? Jeez, why don't you provide it to O'Day, and save the athletic dept. a bunch of money.

Why would you want to reduce the number of home games from to 5 or 6 per years, from 8 - 10 per year? Don't you like the playoffs? Don't you like seeing the Montana kids play?

Do you think new conference revenue would offset the loss of home game revenue?

Where do you think the extra $5 million per year is going to come from? Hogan always said that the additional revenue would have to start years before moving up and continue for the foreseeable future, including until after the conference revenue even started (which can be after several years in the new conference and after a buy-in).

Why risk damaging or destryoying a great thing, for chasing a windmill or pie in the sky?

Everyone likes to bash Idaho for moving up because of the same items you listed above... yet In a poll last year only 10% of Idaho fans wanted to move back to 1-AA. What???

Of course they won't admit that - that would be admitting failure, and the fact that they can't compete/keep up with Boise Community College. Idaho made a mistake moving up, and whether or not they admit it publicly doesn't change that fact.

In reality, Montana is not comparible to either Boise or Idaho. Montana isn't as well situated as Boise, but has a much better chance of success that Idaho had.

Things change. In ten years Idaho might have better sports teams than Boise. Who knows?

by **TheBud** on Mon May 12, 2008 9:51 am

ronbo wrote:That's the funny thing to me regarding this subject. Idaho fans ran a Poll on thier message board a couple years ago. The poll asked "Should Idaho consider moving back to the Big Sky?" It ended up 95% to 5% against.

ronbo wrote:I'm amused by the poll and the attitude the anti move guys have towards it.

It's unscientific.
It only represents 124 people.
It doesn't really represent the fans that don't read eGriz.
The people that vote in that poll are football fanatics and don't represent the everyday fan.

What's funny is that these same posters were saying "what a good measurement the poll was of the pulse of the Griz Nation" when the anti move sentiment was 65% against. They loved the polls then.

I remember the pro move guys never poo pooing the poll like this but taking it seriously even when we were way behind. As each poll would conclude we would say "look out we're growing stonger." We wouldn't say it didn't count because it was a stupid message board poll.

Are you laughing at yourself here????

I do not recall anybody thinking that eGriz polls are anything but extremely unscientific. How could anybody think anything different - eventhough AtHome brings up a good point about the pulse of passionate fans/fanatics.

ronbo wrote:What's funny is that these same posters were saying "what a good measurement the poll was of the pulse of the Griz Nation" when the anti move sentiment was 65% against.

Since it is so easy to post a link, please post links to these post of which you refer...

I call bu!!$h!t.

ronbo wrote:
Paytonlives wrote:Everyone likes to bash Idaho for moving up because of the same items you listed above... yet In a poll last year only 10% of Idaho fans wanted to move back to 1-AA. What???

Come now Payton you've read the propoganda here. Message baord polls only reflect the feeling of several dozen football fanantics. In reality, the majority of Idaho fans want to move back to the Big Sky where life is good and wins come easy.

Please provide a link to the poll. Was it a message board poll?

I would not doubt that a majority of Idaho fans would not want to move back to 1-AA, but since you like to deal in facts...

by **ronbo** on Mon May 12, 2008 11:00 am

I posted the link when it happened smart guy. I did my job. Now as the poo pooer here you go find it. That's your job.

by **Grizbacker1** on Mon May 12, 2008 11:07 am

This thread has now gone the way of 99.9% of the threads that get hijacked into a move-up thread. Mods could lock it anytime, I doubt there will be anything posted that hasn't been posted 500+ times already. :twocents:

by **General Disarray** on Mon May 12, 2008 11:13 am

Grizbacker1 wrote:This thread has now gone the way of 99.9% of the threads that get hijacked into a move-up thread. Mods could lock it anytime, I doubt there will be anything posted that hasn't been posted 500+ times already.

. . . and reduce the entire football forum to what, a single thread about whether Tyzer Cady ran a 10.4, or a 11.5, or a 10.8, and that none of the times matter anyway because they're hand timed?

May is the perfect time for such discussions about conferences and the future of the program.

by **Grizbacker1** on Mon May 12, 2008 11:19 am

General Disarray wrote:
Grizbacker1 wrote:This thread has now gone the way of 99.9% of the threads that get hijacked into a move-up thread. Mods could lock it anytime, I doubt there will be anything posted that hasn't been posted 500+ times already.

. . . and reduce the entire football forum to what, a single thread about whether Tyzer Cady ran a 10.4, or a 11.5, or a 10.8, and that none of the times matter anyway because they're hand timed?

May is the perfect time for such discussions about conferences and the future of the program.

GD,

I realize you are new (well at least that user name is) but there have been 100 plus threads on moving up, they all say the same thing, they always will. Go to the football forum and read up.

by **Montanan** on Mon May 12, 2008 12:09 pm

by **PlayerRep** on Mon May 12, 2008 12:12 pm

General, why don't hand-timed sprints matter?

by **TheBud** on Mon May 12, 2008 1:53 pm

ronbo wrote:I posted the link when it happened smart guy. I did my job. Now as the poo pooer here you go find it. That's your job.

I searched eGriz and came up with only 10 pages that were related. No links by you came up regarding any move by Idaho. It must have vanished into the thin air that it was...

''ronbo Idaho poll move 1-AA'' Search LINK

by **General Disarray** on Mon May 12, 2008 2:20 pm

PlayerRep wrote:General, why don't hand-timed sprints matter?

I didn't mean that. I was sarcastically referring to the thread about TC and how much controversy there is about exactly how fast he actually is.

by **Grizbacker1** on Mon May 12, 2008 2:23 pm

General Disarray wrote:
PlayerRep wrote:General, why don't hand-timed sprints matter?

I didn't mean that. I was sarcastically referring to the thread about TC and how much controversy there is about exactly how fast he actually is.

It sounds as though he is one of the faster guys the Griz are recruiting. If he can run like Tuff that is good enough for me, and I am sure all other Griz fans.

by **ronbo** on Mon May 12, 2008 3:02 pm

TheBud wrote:
ronbo wrote:I posted the link when it happened smart guy. I did my job. Now as the poo pooer here you go find it. That's your job.

I searched eGriz and came up with only 10 pages that were related. No links by you came up regarding any move by Idaho. It must have vanished into the thin air that it was...

''ronbo Idaho poll move 1-AA'' Search LINK

I can't remember what thread it was in. It wasn't a thread topic but a post within some thread. I'm sure I posted because I thought it was interesting.

You might want to jump over to the Vandal message board and start another poll.

mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=205#s=205

by **CrunchGriz** on Mon May 12, 2008 3:04 pm

General Disarray wrote:
PlayerRep wrote:General, why don't hand-timed sprints matter?

I didn't mean that. I was sarcastically referring to the thread about TC and how much controversy there is about exactly how fast he actually is.

Well, I caught the sarcasm, since I've been one of the primary posters on the 'Tyzer Cady Speed' thread.

I'm just excited to be able to see this young guy become a Griz. One of the recurring threads over the years about the Griz is that they don't have enough speed, so when they sign a kid who's run a legitimate 10.4 100 meters, hand-timed or not, I look forward to seeing him run down the field in Wa-Griz.

We all fondly remember watching Tuff and Jefferson use their superior speed to run away from defenders, especially on returns. If we're getting someone who's even a wee bit faster than either of them, I'm all for it.

He may not have the impact these two players did, but then again he might--I'm just eager to see how he looks in front of the 25,000 faithful, that's all.

Don't mean to hijack the thread. Carry on.

by **Silvertip** on Mon May 12, 2008 3:17 pm

Grizbacker1 wrote:This thread has now gone the way of 99.9% of the threads that get hijacked into a move-up thread. Mods could lock it anytime, I doubt there will be anything posted that hasn't been posted 500+ times already.

What is it with your compulsion to make yourself the self-appointed arbiter of this board deciding the length and subject matter of any thread. A thread continues or expires based on whether it continues to warrant posts or not. e-griz doesn't need a cyber Jack Kevorkian. If you find a thread tiresome, do what the rest of us do. Go somewhere else.

by **PlayerRep** on Mon May 12, 2008 3:26 pm

Tip, I found your post interesting. You question Backer for questioning other things. Aren't both of what you and Backer have done really part of what occurs on a message board?

Big Sky is just a stepping stone to the WAC.

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