Sign of the Apocolypse: I agree with gb1..........

the griz had a pretty good football team in 69 and 70, lost to ndsu in the title tilt.

the griz are not going to have their pick of who comes to denny-griz when they are 1a. usc is not going to come here. utah will give you a 2-1, idaho will 1-1, washington state 2-1, etc.... not because they are afraid to play here, they don't need to.

Grizbacker1 wrote:

General Disarray wrote:Comparing UM football pre-1995 and post-1995 are like comparing apples to oranges. Some things in undergo rapid, unexpected growth and UM football is one of those things.

If someone is going to toss out all time won loss records for BSC teams, then it is only fair to see how the Griz fared against teams the Griz would likely face in a move up. Maybe some of you just don't want to see it, but face it, the Griz barely beat shitty Idaho teams and this was years you seem to think matter. In fact, Idaho beat UM in 1995, and 1999. The Griz barely beat them in 2000, 2001, 2002, and 2003 so i think the records against Idaho, Boise, and Nevada are very applicable, or at least as much as the other records posted. What relevance does the Cat/Griz game of 1897 have?? I rest my case.

I wasn't just addressing you. I think your and Payton's posts are both irrelevant.

What does it matter what any of the records WERE? A move up opens a lot of new doors that would make everything different.

All I have to say to fans that are afraid to play Boise State, Idaho, Nevada, Wyoming, Utah State, San Jose State, Lousiana Tech, Colorado State, San Diego State, New Mexico State, etc, etc.

is......................

Bawk, Bawk, Bawk, Brrrrrraaaawwwwwwkkkkkk!!!!!!

Chickens!

General Disarray wrote:

Grizbacker1 wrote:

General Disarray wrote:Comparing UM football pre-1995 and post-1995 are like comparing apples to oranges. Some things in undergo rapid, unexpected growth and UM football is one of those things.

If someone is going to toss out all time won loss records for BSC teams, then it is only fair to see how the Griz fared against teams the Griz would likely face in a move up. Maybe some of you just don't want to see it, but face it, the Griz barely beat shitty Idaho teams and this was years you seem to think matter. In fact, Idaho beat UM in 1995, and 1999. The Griz barely beat them in 2000, 2001, 2002, and 2003 so i think the records against Idaho, Boise, and Nevada are very applicable, or at least as much as the other records posted. What relevance does the Cat/Griz game of 1897 have?? I rest my case.

I wasn't just addressing you. I think your and Payton's posts are both irrelevant.

Which is precisely what I was trying to point out.

ronbo wrote:All I have to say to fans that are afraid to play Boise State, Idaho, Nevada, Wyoming, Utah State, San Jose State, Lousiana Tech, Colorado State, San Diego State, New Mexico State, etc, etc.

is......................

Bawk, Bawk, Bawk, Brrrrrraaaawwwwwwkkkkkk!!!!!!

Chickens!

Kind of like how you are afraid a black man could become president someday eh ron ron?

UM did not compete well with current WAC teams when the Griz were on a level playing field with them in the past. Why are some of you so certain it would be different in the future?

I don't think the relevant question is "How did the Griz do against Tom, Dick, and Harry from 1960-2008?"

I think the more important question is this:

This year the Griz are going for their 11th straight BSC championship in football. How big does that number have to get before the impressive and proud record becomes an embarrassing reminder that UM football has become a bully, playing against inferior teams in an inferior conference against teams with 1/3 the attendance, where most the games are over before they begin? . . . 15? 20?

For Christ's sake, Carroll College has only won 8 straight conference championships.

If UM goes undefeated in conference play again this year I won't know whether to celebrate or roll my eyes.

hokeyfine wrote:Sign of the Apocolypse: I agree with gb1..........

the griz had a pretty good football team in 69 and 70, lost to ndsu in the title tilt.

the griz are not going to have their pick of who comes to denny-griz when they are 1a. usc is not going to come here. utah will give you a 2-1, idaho will 1-1, washington state 2-1, etc.... not because they are afraid to play here, they don't need to.

Do they get to do that even if we're in the same conference with them? I'm not arguing. I just figured if we joined a conference they would have to come here every other year per conference rules no matter how high and mighty they think they are. It didn't occur to me a fellow conference member could insist on two-fers. If that's a real risk it's a big problem.

Hokeyfine is grasping for reasons not to move to the WAC. In fact, there aren't any good reasons not to move unless we simply can't justify the change for financial reasons.

Grizbacker1 wrote:

Paytonlives wrote:I used to be anti move up. But as each year goes by it gets harder and harder to stay "little" minded. I now have kids of my own and would never tell them to stop competing and be content to be the best 5th grader you can. I tell them to try and beat the 7th graders if they can. Its called competition!! Its a life skill, one the Griz are failing at. The BSC has come to a point that it offers nothing for UM. UM is what is keeping the Big Sky afloat. Its time to move. If its the WAC or not its a good thing and the right time (give or take a few years)!!! The football team is ready, the Lady Griz are ready and tinks will have the Men ready in a short amount of time.


Griz vs. BSC (W-L) football
Weber 35-11
MSU 67-35-5
ISU 37-13
NCU 7-1
PSU 24-11
EWU 23-10-1
Sac 14-0 ?
NAU 30-11

TOTAL 237-92-6

And UM has the following record against:

Boise State 9-16
Idaho 27-55
Wyoming 0-13
Utah State 8-26
Nevada 4-10
New Mexico 4-10
SJSU 0-3
Washington State 2-32
Oregon State 2-12

Total 56-177

SINCE 1990 the Griz are 13-10 vs your mentioned teams.

Also, a vast majority of these games were on the road. The teams above had 15-25 more scollies then the Griz. In most seasons the Griz would be favored at home against all of the mentioned teams. SJSU, Utah State and New Mexico have not had the balls to play the Griz... why they would probably lose. Also, only one of the Griz loses was a blowout (Nevada 1990 41-3)!!!

So let me get this right: the Griz have a winning record playing with less scollies on the road... Any coach would take that 13-10 record.

BOISE (3-3)
1990 (L) 41-3
1991 (W) 21-7
1992 (L) 27-21
1993 (W) 38-24
1994 (L) 38-14
1995 (W) 54-28

IDAHO (8-3)
1990 (L) 35-14
1991 (W) 35-34
1992 (W) 47-29
1993 (W) 54-34
1994 (W) 45-21
1995 (L) 55-43
1999 (L) 33-30
2000 (W) 45-28
2001 (W) 33-27
2002 (W) 38-31
2003 (W) 41-28

WYOMING (0-1)
1997 (L) 28-13

WSU (0-1)
1992 (L) 25-13

OSU (2-0)
1990 (W) 22-15
1996 (W) 35-14

NEVADA (0-2)
1990 (L) 34-27
1991 (L) 35-28

Ill say it again the BSC is just plain BS!! Lets move on...

Spanky wrote:This old timer recalls the Skyline Conference which was in the past. We have no business playing in a community college conference any longer. It's time for us to play with the big boys.

That string of four consecutive wins against the Vandals in the early 90s doesn't look quite right. The way I remember their last several years in the Big Sky, we beat them a couple of times at Wa-Griz but generally (with one exception I will never forget) lost to them in Moscow.

Also, until 1995 neither Idaho nor Boise had 15 more scholarships than the Griz because they were both still I-AA. Nevada jumped earlier but I am thinking they were still I-AA through the end of the 1992 season.

Paytone is correcto.

We beat Idaho 4 straight in the early 90s.

http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/div_iaa/bigsky/montana/opponents_records.php?teamid=1499

It sounds like some Griz fans would rather move up and out of the Big Sky for a fresh start. Since winning the title seven years ago Montana is 6-6 in the postseason with just two road games. How would the Griz compete in the WAC if they can't beat Wofford, Cal Poly, or UMass when it counts? Do some Griz fans seriously look back more than a decade to wins against Boise State and Oregon State as proof?

not grasping at anything. i really don't care one way or another if the griz go up, down, sideways, inside, outside.....i will still have my tickets and go to games.......i do think finances will determine movement and i don't think the mwc will ask(academics will be the reason, research etc...) i'm not saying um isn't a good academic school, it's more of what they offer.

To answer Griz8791, if the Griz are in the WAC they would play all league teams home and home. When it comes to non-league teams you may have some bigger name schools insisting on 2 fers, but that is about it. I think you guys could get a home and home out of BYU. Atleast you could of a year or two ago when they were scrambling for games.

As far as all time records go, they don't mean much. USU just finished a 4 game OOC series with Wyoming. We lost all four games and still lead Wyoming in the all time series.

Paytonlives wrote:

Spanky wrote:This old timer recalls the Skyline Conference which was in the past. We have no business playing in a community college conference any longer. It's time for us to play with the big boys.

Utah State and Idaho are examples of the "big boys"?

Who said we were? Not me. But Hawaii, Boise State are some WAC schools are atleast "bigger" than most BSC schools. And you could play some "big boys" more equitably in non-league games than you can now.

I guess we should all know by now the reason the Griz, with their glossy stadium and winning ways, cannot attract a FBS team to Missoula. And it's less about money and much more about the stigma of playing - and possibly losing to a team in a lesser classification. If they win they lose and if they lose they really lose, particularly if they had had any bowl aspirations. In sports as in most endeavors "you're known by the company you keep."

Would Wyoming, as a member of 1-AA/FCS, have ever gotten the Texas Longhorns to agree to come to Laramie WY on 9/12/09? Nuff said.

Wyoming played Maryland at home too. And Nevada has Texas Tech at home this year. Somebody in the WAC, I forgot who, has Wisconsin at home, Fresno I think.

Ole Miss came to Laramie last season.

When the hell did Wyoming play Maryland at home? Not recently.

The Cowboys have had Texas A&M, Ol' Miss, and now Texas come to Laramie.. but it's been a struggle to get good team to come to Laramie. Texas wants two at home in return, all three against Tennessee have been on the road, and Syracuse bought out their deal to come to Laramie. It's not quite peaches and cream getting good teams to come to small places like Laramie, Missoula, Reno, Logan, Moscow, etc. You have to be willing to sacrifice a bit to get a decent team to come. I bet Texas finds a way out of their game before 2009 gets here. Even with BYU's success it was absolutely HUGE for them to get UCLA at home last year.

My bad. It was Virginia.

What's so bad about a buyout? Wyoming would get a few-hundred thousand dollars for nothing. Get money, schedule a new game, get more money. Their doubling up. Sure they're not getting a chance to beat the team at home, but both teams are benefiting from it, that's why they both agree to it.