Here's my favorite quote from election season yet:
"My friends, I will have an energy policy that we will be talking about, which will eliminate our dependence on oil from the Middle East that will prevent us from having ever to send our young men and women into conflict again in the Middle East,"
That, of course, was John McCain admitting the reason he thinks the US is involved in a war with Iraq.
Poor old git, forgetting the party line this early in the game.
You think that's bad, the following excerpt is from a major foreign policy speech he gave in Springfield the other day: But I'm not so sure that this isn't some clever ruse to trick the enemy into thinking he's not with it anymore :
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"We can’t bust heads like we used to, but we have our ways. One trick is to tell ‘em stories that don’t go anywhere - like the time I caught the ferry over to Shelbyville. I needed a new heel for my shoe, so, I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on ‘em. ‘Give me five bees for a quarter,’ you’d say.
Now where were we? Oh yeah - the important thing was I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn’t have white onions because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones..."
"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act". Orwell
After landing in Phoenix later in the day, McCain told reporters that he was not saying that the conflict is about oil.
“We went to Iraq because we believed that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and he was going to use them,” McCain said, reiterating what he has said before on numerous occasions.
He said that he was actually referring to the first Gulf War when he talked about how a new energy policy would allow the Untied States never to have to “send our young men and women into conflict again in the Middle East.”
uhh, wouldn't you make that crystal clear so as not to confuse anyone? looks like alzheimer's is kicking in. maybe he forgot we're in the second war with iraq. too much.
Can someone source the original quote? If he actually said that, it would be a refreshing break from the party line - intentional or otherwise. It's the reality of the situation
The worst president in history was saying the same thing 30 years ago.
"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act". Orwell
Can someone source the original quote? If he actually said that, it would be a refreshing break from the party line - intentional or otherwise. It's the reality of the situation
The worst president in history was saying the same thing 30 years ago.
The worst president in american history was also singularly responsible for the creation of a terrorist state in Iran.
Can someone source the original quote? If he actually said that, it would be a refreshing break from the party line - intentional or otherwise. It's the reality of the situation
The worst president in history was saying the same thing 30 years ago.
The worst president in american history was also singularly responsible for the creation of a terrorist state in Iran.
So you're saying that Eisenhower was our worst president in American history?
Or are you ignoring that part of Iran's history (with the CIA overthrowing the democratically elected government, and the installation of the U.S. totalitarian dictator puppet, and the pissing off of the Iranian people by robbing them of control of their own government and country through our intervention in their affairs and thus radicalizing them and whatnot?).
Can someone source the original quote? If he actually said that, it would be a refreshing break from the party line - intentional or otherwise. It's the reality of the situation
The worst president in history was saying the same thing 30 years ago.
The worst president in american history was also singularly responsible for the creation of a terrorist state in Iran.
So you're saying that Eisenhower was our worst president in American history?
Or are you ignoring that part of Iran's history (with the CIA overthrowing the democratically elected government, and the installation of the U.S. totalitarian dictator puppet, and the pissing off of the Iranian people by robbing them of control of their own government and country through our intervention in their affairs and thus radicalizing them and whatnot?).
no i am not
you are ignoring carter's bungling of a rescue operation and non-responce millitarly when students took control of an American Embasy?
Can someone source the original quote? If he actually said that, it would be a refreshing break from the party line - intentional or otherwise. It's the reality of the situation
The worst president in history was saying the same thing 30 years ago.
The worst president in american history was also singularly responsible for the creation of a terrorist state in Iran.
So you're saying that Eisenhower was our worst president in American history?
Or are you ignoring that part of Iran's history (with the CIA overthrowing the democratically elected government, and the installation of the U.S. totalitarian dictator puppet, and the pissing off of the Iranian people by robbing them of control of their own government and country through our intervention in their affairs and thus radicalizing them and whatnot?).
no i am not
you are ignoring carter's bungling of a rescue operation and non-responce millitarly when students took control of an American Embasy?
Oh, I see. You are blaming Carter for being singularly responsible for the creation of a terrorist state in Iran because they ... ummm ... failed to rescue some hostages and didn't send in U.S. troops to further deny the will of the people of Iran by not allowing them to rid themselves of a cruel foreign-controlled tyranical dictator?
So are you arguing that Iran is really messed up because Jimmy Carter didn't do enough to uphold the puppet dictatorship of the U.S. in Iran, and that Iranians really shouldn't have democracy at all?
What happened in Carter's administration in Iran was THE RESULT OF the anger against the U.S. because of our past intervention in their affairs.
Carter wasn't the CAUSE of any troubles in Iran. He just happened to be in office to see the EFFECT of our past intervention in Iran.
Reviewing the 1950s history of Iran might be a great lesson plan for us as we look ahead at Iraq as well. There is much to be learned from it.
In 1951 Dr. Mohammed Mossadegh was elected prime minister. As prime minister, Mossadegh became enormously popular in Iran after he nationalized Iran's oil reserves. In response Britain embargoed Iranian oil and invited the United States to join in a plot to depose Mossadegh, and in 1953 President Dwight D. Eisenhower authorized Operation Ajax. The operation was successful, and Mossadegh was arrested on 19 August 1953. After Operation Ajax Mohammad Reza Pahlavi's rule became increasingly autocratic. With American support the Shah was able to rapidly modernize Iranian infrastructure, but he simultaneously crushed all forms of political opposition with his intelligence agency, SAVAK. Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini became an active critic of the Shah's White Revolution and publicly denounced the government. Khomeini, who was popular in religious circles, was arrested and imprisoned for 18 months. After his release in 1964 Khomeini publicly criticized the United States government. The Shah was persuaded to send him into exile by General Hassan Pakravan. Khomeini was sent first to Turkey, then to Iraq and finally to France. While in exile he continued to denounce the Shah.
The Iranian Revolution, also known as the Islamic Revolution,[51][52][53] began in January 1978 with the first major demonstrations against the Shah.[54] After strikes and demonstrations paralysed the country and its economy, the Shah fled the country in January 1979 and Ayatollah Khomeini soon returned from exile to Tehran, enthusiastically greeted by millions of Iranians.[55] The Pahlavi Dynasty collapsed ten days later on 11 February when Iran's military declared itself "neutral" after guerrillas and rebel troops overwhelmed troops loyal to the Shah in armed street fighting. Iran officially became an Islamic Republic on 1 April 1979 when Iranians overwhelmingly approved a national referendum to make it so.[56][57] In December 1979 the country approved a theocratic constitution, whereby Khomeini became Supreme Leader of the country. The speed and success of the revolution surprised many throughout the world,[58] as it had not been precipitated by a military defeat, a financial crisis, or a peasant rebellion.[59] Although both nationalists and Marxists joined with Islamic traditionalists to overthrow the Shah, the revolution ultimately resulted in an Islamic Republic under Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini.[60]
Iran's relationship with the United States deteriorated rapidly during the revolution. On 4 November 1979, a group of Iranian students seized US embassy personnel, labelling the embassy a "den of spies".[62] They accused its personnel of being CIA agents plotting to overthrow the revolutionary government, as the CIA had done to Mohammad Mossadegh in 1953. While the student ringleaders had not asked for permission from Khomeini to seize the embassy, Khomeini nonetheless supported the embassy takeover after hearing of its success.[63] While most of the female and African American hostages were released within the first months,[63] the remaining fifty-two hostages were held for 444 days. The students demanded the handover of the Shah in exchange for the hostages, and following the Shah's death in the summer of 1980, that the hostages be put on trial for espionage. Subsequently attempts by the Jimmy Carter administration to negotiate or rescue were unsuccessful. But in January 19 1981 the hostages were set free according to the Algiers declaration. Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein decided to take advantage of what he perceived to be disorder in the wake of the Iranian Revolution and its unpopularity with Western governments. The once-strong Iranian military had been disbanded during the revolution. Saddam sought to expand Iraq's access to the Persian Gulf by acquiring territories that Iraq had claimed earlier from Iran during the Shah's rule. Of chief importance to Iraq was Khuzestan which not only has a substantial Arab population, but boasted rich oil fields as well. On the unilateral behalf of the United Arab Emirates, the islands of Abu Musa and the Greater and Lesser Tunbs became objectives as well. With these ambitions in mind, Hussein planned a full-scale assault on Iran, boasting that his forces could reach the capital within three days. On 22 September 1980 the Iraqi army invaded Iran at Khuzestan, precipitating the Iran-Iraq War. The attack took revolutionary Iran completely by surprise.
Although Saddam Hussein's forces made several early advances, by 1982, Iranian forces managed to push the Iraqi army back into Iraq. Khomeini sought to export his Islamic revolution westward into Iraq, especially on the majority Shi'a Arabs living in the country. The war then continued for six more years until 1988, when Khomeini, in his words, "drank the cup of poison" and accepted a truce mediated by the United Nations. Tens of thousands of Iranian civilians and military personnel were killed when Iraq used chemical weapons in its warfare. Iraq was financially backed by Egypt, the Arab countries of the Persian Gulf, the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact states, the United States (beginning in 1983), France, the United Kingdom, Germany, Brazil, and the People's Republic of China (which also sold weapons to Iran). There were more than 100,000 Iranian victims[64] of Iraq's chemical weapons during the eight-year war. The total Iranian casualties of the war were estimated to be anywhere between 500,000 and 1,000,000. Almost all relevant international agencies have confirmed that Saddam engaged in chemical warfare to blunt Iranian human wave attacks; these agencies unanimously confirmed that Iran never used chemical weapons during the war.
So in light of the above article and apparent history of our middle east interventions, is it possible for one to make a "chickens coming home to roost" comment without being far off the mark or an america hater?
"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act". Orwell
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kalm wrote:
So in light of the above article and apparent history of our middle east interventions, is it possible for one to make a "chickens coming home to roost" comment without being far off the mark or an america hater?
Did you just say "God damn America"?
Or was it McCain that said it?
"GD it, PETAns piss me off! We're never gonna have a stupid Eagle or a faggy Bobcat as a mascot!"
So in light of the above article and apparent history of our middle east interventions, is it possible for one to make a "chickens coming home to roost" comment without being far off the mark or an america hater?
Did you just say "God damn America"?
Or was it McCain that said it?
Yes, and I think AIDS was part of a secrect government program within the Carter administration designed to opress closeted gay Republican congressman and evangelical preachers.
"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act". Orwell
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