The " team" had a great season. Wofford was painful, but shit happens. Get over it. Our student athletes try and work very hard. The puss-guts need to know that. It's the off season, but come on, Poly is right around the corner. Cowboy up whiners.

ronbo wrote:There is more to a program than wins/losses and Championships.

Stadium
Fan support
Facilities
How the athletes are taken care of. Private flights, nice hotels, excellent meals.

App. State makes half their fans sit on a grass hill. We make $8 million a year from football, App. State makes $2 million. You must be kidding. And they bus to all their games. UMass gets 8000 attendance, UNI plays in a sweaty barn. Come on, are you getting a bad case of envy?

Stadium . . . ASU
Fan support . . . ASU
Facilities . . . ASU
Meals, Hotels, flights . . . nobody f**kin' cares.

Let's not kid ourselves, ASU has done more in 3 years than UM has done in the last 13 . . . 3 NC's + national respect > 2 NC's and financial security.

You guys are crazy. The griz win the BSC easy next year. The playoffs are a crap shoot with a lot of good teams. We were a carpenter FG away from the second round last year. If he had made that FG we just might have been National Champions.

Grisly Fan wrote:

BigSkyBears wrote:

pete wrote:While I agree that the run could end. Comparing Montana to any other 1AA school is a reach. The Griz are what Montana sport fans relate to. For the last five years people having been saying what a great eye for talent Hauch has. This should be simply a reloading year, not a rebuilding year. Hauck will be gone if they do not make the playoffs.

What? I disagree. I think App State has a better program then UM. GSU has more 1AA titles then any program in the nation. UMASS, UNI and a few others are just as good as the Giz. I know it's hard for some of you to swallow this, but it's true.

To say that App State has a better program is more than a small stretch. They currently have a better team no question and they may have better coaches (though since the coaches don't actually play each other that will remain in the realm of speculation). But as Ronbo points out a program is more than W/L over the period of a few years. Let's talk in another decade and if Appy is still going strong then I'll concede that their "program" will be as good as the Griz's is to today.

to say that app state is a better program has nothing to do with UM football. App state won the last three titles and beat a Big-10 team. Ronbo is correct about ape states stadium, it can hold 30k, but most of that is in either a rickety old stadium, or on a grassy hill

General Disarray wrote:

ronbo wrote:There is more to a program than wins/losses and Championships.

Stadium
Fan support
Facilities
How the athletes are taken care of. Private flights, nice hotels, excellent meals.

App. State makes half their fans sit on a grass hill. We make $8 million a year from football, App. State makes $2 million. You must be kidding. And they bus to all their games. UMass gets 8000 attendance, UNI plays in a sweaty barn. Come on, are you getting a bad case of envy?

Stadium . . . ASU
Fan support . . . ASU
Facilities . . . ASU
Meals, Hotels, flights . . . nobody f**kin' cares.

Let's not kid ourselves, ASU has done more in 3 years than UM has done in the last 13 . . . 3 NC's + national respect > 2 NC's and financial security.

A little daft, are we? ASU draws less or equal in attendance than we do, their stadium blows as they don't have seating for everyone that files in there, the only fan support they get is from football, they're barely supported in any other sport, I really doubt their facilities are nicer.. and didn't someone say that their budget is smaller than ours? Nice work trying to spin it though!

MrTitleist wrote:

General Disarray wrote:

ronbo wrote:There is more to a program than wins/losses and Championships.

Stadium
Fan support
Facilities
How the athletes are taken care of. Private flights, nice hotels, excellent meals.

App. State makes half their fans sit on a grass hill. We make $8 million a year from football, App. State makes $2 million. You must be kidding. And they bus to all their games. UMass gets 8000 attendance, UNI plays in a sweaty barn. Come on, are you getting a bad case of envy?

Stadium . . . ASU
Fan support . . . ASU
Facilities . . . ASU
Meals, Hotels, flights . . . nobody f**kin' cares.

Let's not kid ourselves, ASU has done more in 3 years than UM has done in the last 13 . . . 3 NC's + national respect > 2 NC's and financial security.

A little daft, are we? ASU draws less or equal in attendance than we do, their stadium blows as they don't have seating for everyone that files in there, the only fan support they get is from football, they're barely supported in any other sport, I really doubt their facilities are nicer.. and didn't someone say that their budget is smaller than ours? Nice work trying to spin it though!

Wrong again. ASU lead FCS in attendance last year. Their stadium might not be as nice as ours but they're supposedly gearing up for a massive expansion and upgrade.

http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/2007/Interne ... NDANCE.pdf

Only fan support they get is for football? . . . we're talking about football. I never claimed they have a superior basketball team or anything.

As for the budget, they're allowed to bus to games because it's geographically possible. They're close to a handful of D-I schools. UM wouldn't be chartering a jet to all their games if they didn't have to. Being geographically isolated from other FCS schools isn't exactly an indication that UM is a superior program, IMO.

If we're talking facilities, I wouldn't say that packing people on the grass isn't really my idea of "having a better stadium or facilities", hell they do that in Cheney (with a lot less people). I've heard they're going for an expansion.. when, who knows. But I really doubt that ASU tops us in all things related to football.. I don't think anyone knows how bad (comparatively speaking) this program was until the last few years. And it should be noted that Bobby and Jerry Moore have the same number of wins over the last five years. It also should be noted that Appalachian St. has had a lot of 4 loss seasons, and even a 5 loss season.. in the last 10 years.. which would not be tolerated here according to some of you. So to say that overall, Appy St has a better program than we do is absurd.. they've had a better 3 years, but overall.. no way.

UM has been consistently good for longer and hasn't had all their success centered around one star player, so it might make sense that UM is more stable in terms of success and future growth. However, with all the success ASU is having and the way they're recruiting down there, it's gonna be tough to catch up with them. They're gonna be close to 30,000 capacity in the near future. When lots of fan support combine with great recruiting and creative, offensive minded coaching, the possibilities are endless. Boise State kind of potential.

But this could all be moot conversation once Armanti Edwards leaves.

But also keep in mind.. AppSt has a lot more people living in their general area than we do.. it would make sense they draw more fans, even though they're a small mountain school like we are. I'm sure that helps.

ronbo wrote:There is more to a program than wins/losses and Championships.

Stadium
Fan support
Facilities
How the athletes are taken care of. Private flights, nice hotels, excellent meals.

App. State makes half their fans sit on a grass hill. We make $8 million a year from football, App. State makes $2 million. You must be kidding. And they bus to all their games. UMass gets 8000 attendance, UNI plays in a sweaty barn. Come on, are you getting a bad case of envy?

You're the biggest jock sniffer I've ever seen on a fan message board Ronbut. In no way should you write smack against me. I am not envious about anything the griz do. I live in NoCo and I am envious of CU and CSU. Those are the big time programs you think your griz really are. Don't fool yourself you crazy idiot.

BigSkyBears wrote:

ronbo wrote:There is more to a program than wins/losses and Championships.

Stadium
Fan support
Facilities
How the athletes are taken care of. Private flights, nice hotels, excellent meals.

App. State makes half their fans sit on a grass hill. We make $8 million a year from football, App. State makes $2 million. You must be kidding. And they bus to all their games. UMass gets 8000 attendance, UNI plays in a sweaty barn. Come on, are you getting a bad case of envy?

You're the biggest jock sniffer I've ever seen on a fan message board Ronbut. In no way should you write smack against me. I am not envious about anything the griz do. I live in NoCo and I am envious of CU and CSU. Those are the big time programs you think your griz really are. Don't fool yourself you crazy idiot.

Since you started out compairing UM to the other elite teams in the division, I find it telling that you use CSU and CU as examples of "big time" programs in their division.

There's a whole world outside of Colorado waiting to laugh in your face for making that distinction.

Unless you enjoy getting laugh all over your face, you should probably spend the rest of your life in Greely (how ever the fuc you spell it).

Or not. You strike me as the kind of person who likes getting stuff all over their face.

PS - way to win one BSC game ever.

BigSkyBears wrote:You're the biggest jock sniffer I've ever seen on a fan message board Ronbut.

djollieballs wrote:

BigSkyBears wrote:

ronbo wrote:There is more to a program than wins/losses and Championships.

Stadium
Fan support
Facilities
How the athletes are taken care of. Private flights, nice hotels, excellent meals.

App. State makes half their fans sit on a grass hill. We make $8 million a year from football, App. State makes $2 million. You must be kidding. And they bus to all their games. UMass gets 8000 attendance, UNI plays in a sweaty barn. Come on, are you getting a bad case of envy?

You're the biggest jock sniffer I've ever seen on a fan message board Ronbut. In no way should you write smack against me. I am not envious about anything the griz do. I live in NoCo and I am envious of CU and CSU. Those are the big time programs you think your griz really are. Don't fool yourself you crazy idiot.

Since you started out compairing UM to the other elite teams in the division, I find it telling that you use CSU and CU as examples of "big time" programs in their division.

There's a whole world outside of Colorado waiting to laugh in your face for making that distinction.

Unless you enjoy getting laugh all over your face, you should probably spend the rest of your life in Greely (how ever the fuc you spell it).

Or not. You strike me as the kind of person who likes getting stuff all over their face.

PS - way to win one BSC game ever.

I wouldn't say either are "big time" for their conferences. But in the top half as far as facilities. CU will win the Big 12 North in two years. Both are "big time" compared to UM. BTW, Who says I live in Greeley?

PS - way to to have one girlfriend EVER. I guess your hand doesn't
count so I take it back.

You see I can act like I am 15 too.

CSU is not in the top half of the MWC in facilities. Not even close.

should have got into this on page 1 or 2, after 1 and a half it turned into a different subject, anyway

if the o-line dominants we win games, to me with the talent we have that is where we need to have a strong focus.

the last two years they haven't and we had plays that looked like bad calls, because they did not open holes for Lex and give Cole enough time to make the best pass play. you could see it in under and over thrown balls due to scrambling, forced out of the pocket etc.

so my from observation is the o-line needs to dominante to allow the talent to perform.

poorgriz, i too was there at polson for the spring game and you are right Bobby was alittle tenative about pumping us up for the teams we were going to see. hopefully it only for spring that he feels this way and not for fall.

BigSkyBears wrote:

ronbo wrote:There is more to a program than wins/losses and Championships.

Stadium
Fan support
Facilities
How the athletes are taken care of. Private flights, nice hotels, excellent meals.

App. State makes half their fans sit on a grass hill. We make $8 million a year from football, App. State makes $2 million. You must be kidding. And they bus to all their games. UMass gets 8000 attendance, UNI plays in a sweaty barn. Come on, are you getting a bad case of envy?

You're the biggest jock sniffer I've ever seen on a fan message board Ronbut. In no way should you write smack against me. I am not envious about anything the griz do. I live in NoCo and I am envious of CU and CSU. Those are the big time programs you think your griz really are. Don't fool yourself you crazy idiot.

Yes and my family had season tickets to USC games for over 20 years and I am still a big fan. They make CU and CSU look like Junior Highs. But............ what the hell does that have to do with being fans of two Big Sky schools???????? I never compare Montana to USC. It's apples and corn.

MrTitleist wrote:CSU is not in the top half of the MWC in facilities. Not even close.

They will after they get their indoor practice facility built, among other upgrades.

http://www.colostate.edu/athleticscampaign/

ronbo wrote:

BigSkyBears wrote:

ronbo wrote:There is more to a program than wins/losses and Championships.

Stadium
Fan support
Facilities
How the athletes are taken care of. Private flights, nice hotels, excellent meals.

App. State makes half their fans sit on a grass hill. We make $8 million a year from football, App. State makes $2 million. You must be kidding. And they bus to all their games. UMass gets 8000 attendance, UNI plays in a sweaty barn. Come on, are you getting a bad case of envy?

You're the biggest jock sniffer I've ever seen on a fan message board Ronbut. In no way should you write smack against me. I am not envious about anything the griz do. I live in NoCo and I am envious of CU and CSU. Those are the big time programs you think your griz really are. Don't fool yourself you crazy idiot.

Yes and my family had season tickets to USC games for over 20 years and I am still a big fan. They make CU and CSU look like Junior Highs. But............ what the hell does that have to do with being fans of two Big Sky schools???????? I never compare Montana to USC. It's apples and corn.

BigSkyBears wrote:You might get into the playoffs, but you won't win the conference. IMO

That's a good one, BigSkyBears...

SloStang wrote:There is such a fine line between winning and losing sometimes. I hear a lot of Griz fans complaining about the first round playoff losses. The Griz were one play away from a first round win and if one of the best kickers in the FCS made a FG the Griz would have hosted a second round game last year.

App. State went on to win a third national championship last year, but if JMU did not fumble at the end of their first round game on the road against App. State, App. State would not have made it to the second round. Who knows how far the Griz would have gone last year if they made that FG against Wofford not to mention how far JMU might have gone.

It is not like Griz lost to a bad team. Wofford was the SoCon champion in 2007. The SoCon has won the last three national championships. I think the Griz nation is alive and well. I am looking forward to them coming to SLO in 2008.

Great post, SloStang!

Paytonlives wrote:

Silvertip wrote:There is no glory to be had in the BSC, even if you win it. Mohammed Ali, in his prime, would have had little reason for beating his chest having punched out PeeWee Herman.

Post of the year canidate!!!!

Dude Pee Wee Herman is a bad-ass! WTF?!

IntuitiveGriz wrote:

BigSkyBears wrote:You might get into the playoffs, but you won't win the conference. IMO

That's a good one, BigSkyBears...

I don't know whats so funny, that statement is probably pretty accurate. The Griz won't be favored by either the media or coaches in the preseason poll, but will probably make the playoffs.

Listen to anyone that plays the game and pays close attention to sports. They always refer to the defending champs. You haven't done sh** until you've beat the defending champs. Maybe we won't have an undefeated season, but the Big Sky Championship comes through Missoula.....period.

As far as a National Championship....take some time to realize how many schools there are and how fortunate we are to be in the top 10 pretty much every year.

I have to admit; I always expect more, especially for what we are now being charged to cheer on our team at home. However, consider the collective gathering we all receive and the enjoyment of the game, the student athletes, and the community.

Is there a better environment anywhere? Our expectations are high and we should keep it that way....but don't call out the boo-birds or the skeptics already. I 100% believe that our home field advantage is the best in the nation, thus we'll always be right there at the end. Sure whine about the schedule, but remember what makes the clock tick; and still we play conference games at home as well.

Go Griz!

Interesting topic.

From an outsiders point of view, it looks like the Griz will do just fine, particularly with all the passionate, opinionated fans who deeply care about their Griz.

One of the disadvantages of our playoff system is that only ONE team ends the season with a win. In the bowl system there are 30+ teams that have a positive ending (okay, so maybe the Poulan Weedeater Bowl Champion is a bit of stretch...)

The important thing is the support OFF the field. There are going to be up and down years, but if support is solid in the down years, that is the sign of a truly great program. But, to be honest, I don't really think you can say an undefeated regular season and BSC championship is a down year. It's good to hope (and expect) a National Championship, but it's insane to think your program is on the skids when you aren't in the title game EVERY year.

At App, football has always been our sport. Support has been strong no matter what, but our sucess on the field the last couple of years has me worried a bit. Obviously we have lots of straphangers who have jumped on the bandwagon and will be headed off in another direction when the NC's stop coming. I mean, think of it, there are seniors at ASU who have never known anything but rushing the field at Chattanooga!

I'm waiting for the years when both UM and ASU are putting together back to back 6-6 seasons and have playoff droughts. Will the fans still pack Wa-Griz and Kidd Brewer? I think both schools have the potential to weather that kind of drought, though it won't be fun.

We'll just have to see.

General Disarray wrote:

ronbo wrote:There is more to a program than wins/losses and Championships.

Stadium
Fan support
Facilities
How the athletes are taken care of. Private flights, nice hotels, excellent meals.

App. State makes half their fans sit on a grass hill. We make $8 million a year from football, App. State makes $2 million. You must be kidding. And they bus to all their games. UMass gets 8000 attendance, UNI plays in a sweaty barn. Come on, are you getting a bad case of envy?

Stadium . . . ASU
Fan support . . . ASU
Facilities . . . ASU
Meals, Hotels, flights . . . nobody f**kin' cares.

Let's not kid ourselves, ASU has done more in 3 years than UM has done in the last 13 . . . 3 NC's + national respect > 2 NC's and financial security.

I feel its pretty vital to mention here that not only is KiddBrewer stadium nowhere near the facility that Wash/Grizzly is, but despite seating 5-6 thousand more fans its still nowhere near as loud. Wouldnt that in itself give the GRIZ the edge for having superior stadium, fan support, and facilities???