PlayerRep wrote:Yes, there already is an expected level of conduct. Yes, there already are policies. I believe at least the football policies have already been reviewed in the past year.

It is impossible to keep college kids, including athletes, out of bars. Yes, there's a rule, or unwritten rule, for football players to stay away from the downtown bars during the season. Lots of athletes work in bars during the off-season. Pretty hard to keep them away from their jobs. I believe athletes work in bars in many college towns. Underage kids go in bars. If they don't drink, I don't think it's even illegal. Of course, some drink.

I don't agree that the Missoulian or anyone else looks through the police reports for the names of all Griz athletes. Unless this was done via computer, it would be difficult to do. How many non-football and non-basketball players names can you name off the top of your head? Yes, a Lady Griz got picked up for DUI, and received a two-game suspension, during which she suited up and sat on the bench.

I agree that everything reasonable should be done to decrease the problems. I believe than most everything reasonable already is being done, but I don't know that for sure. I don't believe it would do any good to institute unreasonable and unworkable policies. I don't believe there can or should be a hair trigger for kicking athletes off teams. Situations need to be looked at, and all situations are not the same and should not be treated the same.

In my view, nothing UM could have prevented the Wilson incident, and we'll have to see what the facts turn out to be. I don't think anything could have been done to prevent the house break-in, other than not recruiting the players. While people can and will disagree on this, I don't see any significant mistakes made by the coaching in recruiting. While again some will disagree, I see nothing wrong with bringing in Coleman, as an example.

I can't see anything that could have been done to prevent the Parks incident (if it even occurred).

Freeman was kicked off the team prior to his next 3 incidents. Others have been kicked off the team previously.

We can all argue over Quinn and DUI's. However, a DUI is not a house break-in, a murder, a law violation with a weapon or a serious domestic or other assault.

Any who thinks Hauck doesn't have alot of rules and isn't a fairly tough disciplinarian, doesn't know what's he's talking about, in my view. Does Hauck administer the rules evenly, I don't know. Even is he doesn't, I don't see where that has or would impact any of this, other than possibly Quinn. On Quinn's latest, I don't believe it would be fair or right to kick him off the team if the facts are that he wasn't drinking much and was unlucky enough to have been charged when a blood test would have resulted in him not being charged. If Hauck thought he was over the limit and should have been charged, I think Q would be off the team.

PlayerRep wrote:Tanker, all the ones who are convicted or plead guilty are guilty. The ones who are charged, and have pending cases, are innocent until proven guilty. This is a concept that our legal system is built on. I believe in our system of laws, including the Constitution.

The coaches are free to have their own policies, and they do, and I support what they do because I know they are closer to the situation than any of the rest of us.

Tanker, do you believe people are guilty when they are arrested or charged? Do you believe you can predict or access guilt without knowing anymore facts than what is published in a newspaper?

mtgrizrule wrote:

PlayerRep wrote:Tanker, all the ones who are convicted or plead guilty are guilty. The ones who are charged, and have pending cases, are innocent until proven guilty. This is a concept that our legal system is built on. I believe in our system of laws, including the Constitution.

The coaches are free to have their own policies, and they do, and I support what they do because I know they are closer to the situation than any of the rest of us.

Tanker, do you believe people are guilty when they are arrested or charged? Do you believe you can predict or access guilt without knowing anymore facts than what is published in a newspaper?

WOW playerrep, I wish you could be this short, simple, and understanding on all your posts. In my opinion your best post to date without stirring anything more up. These are the kind of posts I look forward to by anyone.

argh! wrote:

mtgrizrule wrote:

PlayerRep wrote:Tanker, all the ones who are convicted or plead guilty are guilty. The ones who are charged, and have pending cases, are innocent until proven guilty. This is a concept that our legal system is built on. I believe in our system of laws, including the Constitution.

The coaches are free to have their own policies, and they do, and I support what they do because I know they are closer to the situation than any of the rest of us.

Tanker, do you believe people are guilty when they are arrested or charged? Do you believe you can predict or access guilt without knowing anymore facts than what is published in a newspaper?

WOW playerrep, I wish you could be this short, simple, and understanding on all your posts. In my opinion your best post to date without stirring anything more up. These are the kind of posts I look forward to by anyone.

granpa greenie? that you?

MrTitleist wrote:It should be noted.. Lex Hilliard worked at Stockman's throughout his Griz career and never seemed to get a DUI.