Why is there no mention of Mike Gerber in that article?

ronbo wrote:Why is there no mention of Mike Gerber in that article?

B/C Gerbs is for football only, I think this is strength & conditioning for the rest of the sports programs.

Well duh! I missed the memo that this became the volleyball board.

ronbo wrote:Well duh! I missed the memo that this became the volleyball board.

not your 1st miss, and certainly far from your last one.

So what happened to Lacey or what ever the other strength coache's name was? Did he go some where else? Or do we have three strength coaches?

Lacey left in about August '06. The strength coach after Lacey has been gone for a number of months. There is one (or more) good asst strength coaches still here.

Lacey works with his dad as a headhunter in Alabama. He comes back to Montana in the summer. Great guy.

So if Lacey left in '06 and we have not been back to the NC since, then where was all that info coming from about Lacey and his football lifting program being the problem we did not win the '04 NC game.

I did some checking and if my numbers are right he was the head coach for about 5 years and the team went to the NC game at least 2 if not 3 of those years. Actually, on the same kind of thought I think the MBB made it to March Madness about the same number of times and I don't think they have been back since Lacey left.

All I heard about for 6 months to a year from the football staff and some people in the city and even some on here was how with this new lifting program (Pete K or Gerber) we had the last piece and would be winning the NC game or at least be there all the time -- Maybe!!!!!!!!! it was a good program before or at least not as bad as was being said because whatever they have been doing the last two years has not worked.

Lacey was just fine as a strength coach, he just had issues with some of the drills Bobby likes to run and voiced his opposition to them, so Bobby brought in Gerber. There is one drop shoulder roll drill Lacey hated and thought it prematurely ended Ciche Pitchers career and led to alot of Lance Spencers shoulder problems. We all know it's Bobs way or the highway.

Stiletto wrote:Lacey was just fine as a strength coach, he just had issues with some of the drills Bobby likes to run and voiced his opposition to them, so Bobby brought in Gerber. There is one drop shoulder roll drill Lacey hated and thought it prematurely ended Ciche Pitchers career and led to alot of Lance Spencers shoulder problems. We all know it's Bobs way or the highway.

You obviously have only heard one side of the story or forgot. Go back and read all the old threads on Lacey and refresh your memory. He wasn't without issues, despite your hate of BH.

What issues did he have?

I did some research on Lacey to see what he had done in the past (seeing if he was credible or a psycho or whatever)before coming to the griz and he has a pretty darn solid resume and pedigree. Keep in mind that I'm a facts and numbers guy cause those two areas don't lie. And of course here in Montana, that's proof in the puddin. He started his career as a volunteer at the University of Georgia's football program. After there, he worked in the strength department of the Miami Dolphins under both Don Shula and Jimmy Johnson. After his stint there, he went on to the University of Nebraska right after the 97 national championship season and worked under (at that time) what was considered one of the best strength and conditioning programs in the nation. He worked with football and was the head baseball strength coach as well. Then he came to Montana. While he was at Montana as the Head strength coach, he assisted Joe and Bobby to 3 national title apperances in 5 years while he was in control of the strength program. Not only that but with men's basketball, he helped them get to the dance 3 of the 6 years he worked with them. And if I'm correct, the same 3 out of 6 for the Lady Griz as well. For all the Lacey haters out there, that's pretty hard to argue with. Issues or not, no other strength coach can boast those facts or numbers in Griz folklore and history.

Grizbacker1 wrote:

Stiletto wrote:Lacey was just fine as a strength coach, he just had issues with some of the drills Bobby likes to run and voiced his opposition to them, so Bobby brought in Gerber. There is one drop shoulder roll drill Lacey hated and thought it prematurely ended Ciche Pitchers career and led to alot of Lance Spencers shoulder problems. We all know it's Bobs way or the highway.

You obviously have only heard one side of the story or forgot. Go back and read all the old threads on Lacey and refresh your memory. He wasn't without issues, despite your hate of BH.

The "ISSUES" were Bobby's pride and hard-headedness. Lacey ran his program and was popular with most the athletes.

I SAW both sides of the story, first hand. Bobby's main emphasis in the weight room has always been: make athletes Stronger. Lacey's philosophy was: make athletes more ATHLETIC...

They butted heads and Lacey was forced out of the position...

Who's philosophy is more successful? The proof is in the pudding...

JVGriz wrote:

Grizbacker1 wrote:

Stiletto wrote:Lacey was just fine as a strength coach, he just had issues with some of the drills Bobby likes to run and voiced his opposition to them, so Bobby brought in Gerber. There is one drop shoulder roll drill Lacey hated and thought it prematurely ended Ciche Pitchers career and led to alot of Lance Spencers shoulder problems. We all know it's Bobs way or the highway.

You obviously have only heard one side of the story or forgot. Go back and read all the old threads on Lacey and refresh your memory. He wasn't without issues, despite your hate of BH.

The "ISSUES" were Bobby's pride and hard-headedness. Lacey ran his program and was popular with most the athletes.

I SAW both sides of the story, first hand. Bobby's main emphasis in the weight room has always been: make athletes Stronger. Lacey's philosophy was: make athletes more ATHLETIC...

They butted heads and Lacey was forced out of the position...

Who's philosophy is more successful? The proof is in the pudding...

Philosophy doesn't matter. I doubt anyone on this board has always agreed with everything their Boss told them to do, but they did it, or faced the consequences. Life is just a bitch isn't it. I sure don't see anyone questioning what the new guy is doing, including players.

Grizbacker1 wrote:

JVGriz wrote:

Grizbacker1 wrote:

Stiletto wrote:Lacey was just fine as a strength coach, he just had issues with some of the drills Bobby likes to run and voiced his opposition to them, so Bobby brought in Gerber. There is one drop shoulder roll drill Lacey hated and thought it prematurely ended Ciche Pitchers career and led to alot of Lance Spencers shoulder problems. We all know it's Bobs way or the highway.

You obviously have only heard one side of the story or forgot. Go back and read all the old threads on Lacey and refresh your memory. He wasn't without issues, despite your hate of BH.

The "ISSUES" were Bobby's pride and hard-headedness. Lacey ran his program and was popular with most the athletes.

I SAW both sides of the story, first hand. Bobby's main emphasis in the weight room has always been: make athletes Stronger. Lacey's philosophy was: make athletes more ATHLETIC...

They butted heads and Lacey was forced out of the position...

Who's philosophy is more successful? The proof is in the pudding...

Philosophy doesn't matter. I doubt anyone on this board has always agreed with everything their Boss told them to do, but they did it, or faced the consequences. Life is just a bitch isn't it. I sure don't see anyone questioning what the new guy is doing, including players.

I think the last 3 comments were people questioning what he was doing. I know just about everyone on the team in 2003 and 2004 were questioning what he was doing. Nobody on the team is questioning it because they don't know anything different...

Nobody was questioning what Lacey was doing except Bobby.

FYI: the football coach is not the strength coaches Boss. Bobby should have listened to Lacey, but now the TEAM is facing the consequences.

JVGriz wrote:

Grizbacker1 wrote:

JVGriz wrote:

Grizbacker1 wrote:

Stiletto wrote:Lacey was just fine as a strength coach, he just had issues with some of the drills Bobby likes to run and voiced his opposition to them, so Bobby brought in Gerber. There is one drop shoulder roll drill Lacey hated and thought it prematurely ended Ciche Pitchers career and led to alot of Lance Spencers shoulder problems. We all know it's Bobs way or the highway.

You obviously have only heard one side of the story or forgot. Go back and read all the old threads on Lacey and refresh your memory. He wasn't without issues, despite your hate of BH.

The "ISSUES" were Bobby's pride and hard-headedness. Lacey ran his program and was popular with most the athletes.

I SAW both sides of the story, first hand. Bobby's main emphasis in the weight room has always been: make athletes Stronger. Lacey's philosophy was: make athletes more ATHLETIC...

They butted heads and Lacey was forced out of the position...

Who's philosophy is more successful? The proof is in the pudding...

Philosophy doesn't matter. I doubt anyone on this board has always agreed with everything their Boss told them to do, but they did it, or faced the consequences. Life is just a bitch isn't it. I sure don't see anyone questioning what the new guy is doing, including players.

I think the last 3 comments were people questioning what he was doing. I know just about everyone on the team in 2003 and 2004 were questioning what he was doing. Nobody on the team is questioning it because they don't know anything different...

Nobody was questioning what Lacey was doing except Bobby.

FYI: the football coach is not the strength coaches Boss. Bobby should have listened to Lacey, but now the TEAM is facing the consequences.

That is YOUR opinion, and you are entitled to it. Trust me, if BH wanted to get rid of the new strength coach, he could, and would. BH calls the shots when it comes to the FB team, if you don't like it, don't go.

Well, like I said earlier facts are facts and the bottom line is the only time Bobby has been to the chipper is when Lacey's program was being administered. Yet at the same time Backer, Gerber, supposedly who was the missing link, has not even reached the level of success Lacey had.
You can dislike your co-workers all you like, but to try to fix something that isn't broke? Why? Because you don't like their personality? C'mon.
The most sucessful coaches or business individuals, etc. are the ones that surround themselves not with "yes men" but people that can think outside the box and that have a different point of view and methodology to reach success other than the "head dog's". You can't micro-manage, it won't breed success.
As far as the age old question, speed/athletisim vs. strength. I'll take speed and an athlete any day of the week. That is the name of the game now in football. Look at the SEC, those kids aren't bigger than anyone else in the nation. But athletic-wise and speed-wise from top to bottom...only a select few teams could go in that conference and thrive.
I find it hard to believe that Wofford was stronger and bigger than us last year. But speed-wise, when those backs got around those corners. We had a hard time keeping up. And Wofford is not even a power in their own conference.

If philosophy doesn't matter. Than what does... results? If that's the case, then I rest mine.

In other words, I agree with JV. Proof is in the pudding

MapleLeafGriz wrote:Well, like I said earlier facts are facts and the bottom line is the only time Bobby has been to the chipper is when Lacey's program was being administered. Yet at the same time Backer, Gerber, supposedly who was the missing link, has not even reached the level of success Lacey had.
You can dislike your co-workers all you like, but to try to fix something that isn't broke? Why? Because you don't like their personality? C'mon.
The most sucessful coaches or business individuals, etc. are the ones that surround themselves not with "yes men" but people that can think outside the box and that have a different point of view and methodology to reach success other than the "head dog's". You can't micro-manage, it won't breed success.
As far as the age old question, speed/athletisim vs. strength. I'll take speed and an athlete any day of the week. That is the name of the game now in football. Look at the SEC, those kids aren't bigger than anyone else in the nation. But athletic-wise and speed-wise from top to bottom...only a select few teams could go in that conference and thrive.
I find it hard to believe that Wofford was stronger and bigger than us last year. But speed-wise, when those backs got around those corners. We had a hard time keeping up. And Wofford is not even a power in their own conference.

Maple,

I never said that it was right or wrong, just that is how it works. Of course emplyees always think they know more than the boss, you find that in every workplace. I also think you are stretching things to give Lacey credit for the reason the team made it to the Chipper. Come on man, we both know it takes a lot of things to fall in place, and the weight room is a part of a big puzzle. If all you had to do is get kids in the best weightroom to win, then their would have been more money spent there and less on other things. You and I both know that is a total and complete unrealistic comparison. I am not dragging Lacey's name through the mud, nor am I the wone who brought him up, that is why I responed to people to go search the old threads, and leave it at that. He has moved on, so should we.

I hear ya backer. I agree, if it was all strength and conditioning that won or lost games, strength coaches would be getting the 1.5 million dollar deals and such. I didn't think that you were dragging Lacey's name (or anybody for that matter) through the mud. He did a great job ( and the whole Griz program is better for it) and things happen. I just like good debates and sometimes folks put on here things that are just unbelievably off the mark. If you haven't noticed. LOL But I do enjoy the educated points of view on here. Educated meaning football knowledge.

MapleLeafGriz wrote:I hear ya backer. I agree, if it was all strength and conditioning that won or lost games, strength coaches would be getting the 1.5 million dollar deals and such. I didn't think that you were dragging Lacey's name (or anybody for that matter) through the mud. He did a great job ( and the whole Griz program is better for it) and things happen. I just like good debates and sometimes folks put on here things that are just unbelievably off the mark. If you haven't noticed. LOL But I do enjoy the educated points of view on here. Educated meaning football knowledge.

The educated points of view regarding football seem to take a direct hit once the season starts and the Monday Morning armchair QB's get back to posting. It is amazing how great the playcalling is after the play is over. On the other hand, there are some pretty knoweldgeable posters, and not all of them are positive, whihc is fine too.

Grizbacker1 wrote:

JVGriz wrote:

Grizbacker1 wrote:

JVGriz wrote:

Grizbacker1 wrote:

Stiletto wrote:Lacey was just fine as a strength coach, he just had issues with some of the drills Bobby likes to run and voiced his opposition to them, so Bobby brought in Gerber. There is one drop shoulder roll drill Lacey hated and thought it prematurely ended Ciche Pitchers career and led to alot of Lance Spencers shoulder problems. We all know it's Bobs way or the highway.

You obviously have only heard one side of the story or forgot. Go back and read all the old threads on Lacey and refresh your memory. He wasn't without issues, despite your hate of BH.

The "ISSUES" were Bobby's pride and hard-headedness. Lacey ran his program and was popular with most the athletes.

I SAW both sides of the story, first hand. Bobby's main emphasis in the weight room has always been: make athletes Stronger. Lacey's philosophy was: make athletes more ATHLETIC...

They butted heads and Lacey was forced out of the position...

Who's philosophy is more successful? The proof is in the pudding...

Philosophy doesn't matter. I doubt anyone on this board has always agreed with everything their Boss told them to do, but they did it, or faced the consequences. Life is just a bitch isn't it. I sure don't see anyone questioning what the new guy is doing, including players.

I think the last 3 comments were people questioning what he was doing. I know just about everyone on the team in 2003 and 2004 were questioning what he was doing. Nobody on the team is questioning it because they don't know anything different...

Nobody was questioning what Lacey was doing except Bobby.

FYI: the football coach is not the strength coaches Boss. Bobby should have listened to Lacey, but now the TEAM is facing the consequences.

That is YOUR opinion, and you are entitled to it. Trust me, if BH wanted to get rid of the new strength coach, he could, and would. BH calls the shots when it comes to the FB team, if you don't like it, don't go.

It is a fact that BH is not the strength coaches boss, not my opinion. However, it is true that Lacey left UM as a direct result of BH.

It is my opinion that UM athletics are worse off for this. That is what I don't like, but I will still go to griz games even if Osama Bin Laden is the head coach