Speaking of pencils.....has anybody seen Tailboners badonga?

Great coaches are as rare as Griz passing yardage last season! These "good coaches", as Green Weenie calls them, will all be fired in the next couple of years. You can make book by it. Ron Zook, Mack Brown, Gary Barnett......the vultures are circlin'. And, if Bobby Hauck duplicates his 2003 next season, the noose will be a-tightin' for him too. And, he already knows it.

Once again AZ won't answer a legit question from one of my previous posts. Also is firing head coaches the only thing you care about in college football? Every other post, on any thread you mention BH or someone getting canned. I will say this right now, I will bet anyone on here any amount of money that if the Griz go between 8-4 or better the nest two seasons Bobby does not get fired. I guarentee it and I am serious about the bet. If anyone wants to take it I will be willing to meet you at the Red's tailgate before the Maine game to make it official.

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As a former student at UT, i felt obligated to put my 2 cents in this discussion. You can look at this in a couple different ways - most teams would love to have the kind of success that UT has had the past few years (record wise). Not Texas. In the state of texas, football is King. People aren't satisfied with winning records. A winning record without a championship puts you in the same place as the worst team in the nation - at home watching the national championship on TV. I personally contribute the records of the past couple years to Mack Brown's ability to recruit quality players. I also contribute the past 4 losses to Oklahoma to Mack Brown's inability to coach. The latter is becoming more and more evident as some of the best recruits in Texas take their services elsewhere, mainly Oklahoma. The two big recruits from texas that went to OU have recently said that the main reason for going to OU was that Stoops consistently puts his team in position to win the big games. They also said that UT has gotten the big recruits but have not won the big games, which is all that counts to them. In my opinion, Mack Brown is a smooth talking salesman, but when it comes down to game time, his words can't get him the big win.

Hmmmmmm, sounds striking similar to something I might have said! And, just as Texas fans won't settle for anything less than competing for the NC in IA, the Montana fans won't settle for anything less than competing for the NC in IAA! When you've been to the top of the mountain 4 times in the past 8 years, and reached the pinnacle twice, you're not going to be satified with losing in the first round at home. A 9-4 record is great for NAU, EWU, or MSU, but it ain't gonna keep the wolves from the door at UM! 'Nuff said!

AzGriz, a 9-4 record will have some wolves (like you) at the door, but the door will stay shut. I think that it will be at least 2 years for that door to show some weakening. I think it will take a losing season, which I don't see happening, to open that door and bring in another coach. I hope that doesn't happen because I'd hate to read all those messages starting with "I told you so...".

I agree with you Northern in that winning seasons like the Griz (and Texas) have had don't necessarily warrant a change in coaches. One of the reasons I believe, imo, that Texas hasn't changed coaches is that they don't want to take the risk of bringing in a new coach who will have a down year or two before bringing the team back to prominence (alot like Texas A&M this year). In a case like UM, where they brought in a coach to replace Glenn, I would consider it a positive to have the record they did with players who weren't necessarily his recruits. It sounds like he is starting to go out and get guys that he thinks fit into his system. At least he is going out of state to get players, which you can't say the same for Mack Brown (although Montana isn't quite the hot bed for football prospects that Texas is).