This from the Litter Board:

give me out of state kids to kick the grizzlies butts anyday...i don't think we give enough credit to out of staters...and it is apparent niether the cats nor the griz would be would be jack with out them...the instate kids we get are known commodities the out of state kids always generate more excitement in recruiting...just read the posts...

It looks as though in-state recruits aren't worth much compared to Californians! Would this have anything to do with the Kitties coming up so short on recruits from Montana!? How do you suppose this attitude will fly with potential instaters? Bobby said he was going to recruit the quality kids from Montana first and it is very evident that he is doing a very good job of it. Even last year with very short notice he got the good ones and this year's list is truly impressive. Good job, Bobby!

wow...I love how you base the state of bobcat football on a quote by a single random fan on a message board. That's like writing a paper on the vietnam war, and asking some random person on the street what the US did wrong...Guy on the street: "we shouldn't have gone in there because we didn't know we were getting ourselves into"

Griz62's paper: "The US shouldn't have gone in there because we didn't know what we were getting ourselves into....How do I know that? It's what a single random person on the street told me so it must be true"

Do you know how many quotes I could find over the past few months that wanted bobby fired? Did I go on a message board and say that EVERY grizzly fan wants to fire Baby Hack? NO!! Because I didn't want to sound...well, like you griz62.

Also, who takes quotes off one board and puts them on another board?? That just proves that you have no life.

In most cases, Bozeman IS giving up on in-state recruits. Last year, the Griz got Matt Lebsock, Tyson Johnson, and Kyle Samson -- all of whom played this year -- as well as promising kids like Utterback, Ryan, Kain, Michel, and Gustafson. Who did State take? Jason Goodman, who played about 20 snaps at tight end.

This year, the Griz are taking Ryan Bagley, Dan Carpenter, Torrey Thomas and Kroy Bierman, to name a few, against offers from State and Wyoming. Colin Dow took a partial from the Griz over a full from Wyoming, and Jesse Carlson de-committed from State to take a partial at Montana. With the exception of losing Donovan to Washington State, I think the Griz are awfully dominant in the state.

Yeah do you want AzGriz comments to determine what someone thinks of the Grizzlies?

Wbtfg, you make a good point, but this is only a message board.

I believe Goodman played quite abit for the Cats, and in fact was a contributor.

Obviously you are one of the no class "adults" that I had to endure at this years game.
What does FTG stand for in your handle?
Keep up the obscene chants during the game and you'll wonder why the families are staying home. Good job... you and your buddies will do more to hurt the program than anything the Griz team could ever do.

If you win with out of state players it won't matter as much in the short run. Lose with them and it becomes a bigger issue. Coach Glen started the naming of the players home town every time he talked about them and like every thing else in Griz/envy cat-ville you copied it. That's all I heard during this years basketball game.
It does matter in future recruiting when young kids read about their local heroes playing for the Griz. They will watch their progress and want to follow in their footsteps..... and be a Griz.

bronco wrote:Obviously you are one of the no class "adults" that I had to endure at this years game.
What does FTG stand for in your handle?
Keep up the obscene chants during the game and you'll wonder why the families are staying home. Good job... you and your buddies will do more to hurt the program than anything the Griz team could ever do.

If you win with out of state players it won't matter as much in the short run. Lose with them and it becomes a bigger issue. Coach Glen started the naming of the players home town every time he talked about them and like every thing else in Griz/envy cat-ville you copied it. That's all I heard during this years basketball game.
It does matter in future recruiting when young kids read about their local heroes playing for the Griz. They will watch their progress and want to follow in their footsteps..... and be a Griz.

You might be right. It may be changing soon when the underclassmen start seeing all their hero's losing to the Bobcats!

First of all (Big country), this isn't a debate about who is winning the "in-state" recruiting war, because it is obvious that the griz are dominating that facet of recruiting war....which they should. 62griz clamied that we aren't even going after Montana athletes. That is completely false. We went after a lot of Montana athletes, we got some and didn't get others. We are just losing the battle on some of the "in-state" talent, and I think that can be blamed on Joe O'Brien.

Side note: You all have to remember, our in state recruiter was Joe OBrien. If I were a Montana kid, I probably would have gone to UM too, if the guy that was recruiting me from MSU got arrested for Meth.

Also, Goodman takes about 20-30 snaps/game. He is on the field quite a bit, and had an excellent season.

hey bronco...I hope you don't live in a glass house buddy.

As for the obscene part, I guarantee you that there are just as many obscene griz fans, as cat fans....probably more since your bandwagon is pretty full right now.

AND if you're complaining about my my name (WBTFG) because it's obscene, how about complaining about FTC, or the guy who has "once a bobcat always a pussy", or any who has a smiley face giving the bird. :fist:

News Flash: You're not God's gift to the internet, so give up that holier than thou sh!t

Bandwagon? And who had their first ever sellout(besides a Griz-Cat game) last year?

wbtfg wrote:Also, Goodman takes about 20-30 snaps/game. He is on the field quite a bit, and had an excellent season.

According to Sports illustrated. Goodman caught passes in 4 games for a total of 81 yards and 5 catches. I know he played in more, but they don't say how many. I'm not disagreeing with anyone weather or not Goodman is good or not, just posting his stats.

Don't worry about old Bronco. He will still be crying about his horrible treatment in Bozeman until the day he dies. In fact, he will probably put it on his tombstone:

Here lies Bronco
He lived a good life... except for that unfortunate day in Bozeman
Please, don't anyone ever, ever forget about this
Don't shed any tears for me, but feel free to keep crying about the way the horrible Bobcat fans treated me


As for Jason Goodman, he had a wonderful year. He played (as was stated) 20-30 snaps per game. He was used primarily as a blocker in our power sets, and the coaches were very impressed with his performance this year. He caught every single ball that was thrown his way this year. One of my biggest complaints this year was that we didn't throw to the TE position more often, although I think that will change next year. He was injured during the playoff game (damn the turf!), but is had a very successful surgery and is progressing ahead of schedule with his rehab.

All I can say is that I'm happy with the players that MSU has announced so far. Should hear about the rest in a few days. The rest will be decided on by the coaching/players on the field. For having 'BAD' recruiting classes the last few years, what does that say for your organiziation/coaching? Which leads me to this.


If the Griz go 10-2 or whatever next year and lose in first or 2nd round in playoffs and LOSE to the Bobcats .... do you want Hauck back?

Wildrat be specific ( please,take your bi-polar meds before posting) 9-2 or 10-1 Reg season with a loss to the rats, do we make it to the first round or second round?
10-1 loss to the rats and making the second round would be ok with me. 9-2 reg season loss to the rats and out in the first round I'm not so happy.
10-1 reg season, beat rats and go to the NC game win or lose and I'm really really happy.

Now if the rats go 1-10 and beat the Griz are you happy

Yagaer! ... why did I know you would be the first to respond 1) yes a loss the the Cats would be 1 loss. 2) a loss in the playoffs would be 1 loss ... that makes 2 losses. How many wins depends on your schedule so lets just keep it at 1+1 = 2 losses. You with me now?

And no, I wouldn't be happy at 1-10 with a win against the Griz. I would enjoy razzing you up some more after the loss though But from everyone on this board, the Cats didn't get any good Montana kids or any good recruits so it should be moot point then eh? Like I said, we'll let the teams decide it on the field.

Also, who takes quotes off one board and puts them on another board?? That just proves that you have no life.

That was funny considering it came from a Cat fan on a Griz board.

Wow. Wildrat did we get moved to the Smack board

And by judging by your recruiting class at Bozo, 1-10 might be a great acompishment a few years down the road for the rats.

Of course the Griz will still be on that consective playoff streak that happens to be a playoff recored. What does that make it for the rats now 4 times in 25 years I'm sure you'll do better in Div. II. (Point don't drop down to NAIA it will look bad for Bozo to be losing to Frontier Conf. teams.)

Jagur-

At no point in your rambling, incoherent discussion did you come even close to making a rational point. We are all dumber for having been subjected to reading it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. (What movie?)


How can you have any idea what our recruiting class looks like when you haven't even seen it?!?! FYI, I think your opinion might change come signing day. Kramer is keeping it tight-lipped, and so are we that know. We don't feel the need to let everyone know how great we are and how we are stealing recruits from every team west of the Mississippi. This Wednesday will be another tremendous step forward for Bobcat Football, of that I have no doubt. For you to presume to pass judgment on something you have absolutely not a clue in the world about just proves your ignorance.

I'll sub for jagur1....Billy Madison

Well, I hope you're right about the Cats recruiting - I've been wondering what State's team will look like this year, now that last season's only two scoring threats (Corey Smith and the defensive secondary) are gone...

Also, didn't Goodman get hurt in the EWU game last year before the post season? I just ask because I saw that ugly injury to the MSU tight end in the end zone and thought it was him. I hope he rehabs well, he was fun to watch. I agree with Bozone that he should've been thrown to more (although I kind of wonder about Lulay's effectiveness as a passer, despite the fact that I think he's an exciting player to watch too).

Finally, a math clarification for WILDCAT: 1 regular season loss plus 1 playoff loss still equals a 1 loss regular season record. Not that it matters since it's all hypothetical, but I just wanted to lend a hand cause I know finals in your engineering classes can be a beeyatch.

If you watched the second half of last year's Cat-griz game, I think you should know that we had plenty of scoring threats besides Corey Smith and Kenneth Qualls. Or did you miss those game-winning drives where our O-line completely dominated the grizzly defense and Bruce Molock rammed it into the endzone?

The player that got hurt in the EWU game was Scott Turnquist, not Jason Goodman. He dislocated his shoulder on that play, it was pretty nasty. But he is a tough SOB, he came back and played a couple downs the next week against PSU, played the full game against the griz, and had a great playoff game against Northern Iowa (including a TD reception). Unfortunately for us, he is graduated.

As to Lulay, I think he would be the first to admit that he has a ton of room for improvement in the passing area. I have tried to look at each game objectively, and I have been the first to criticize his play from last year as far as his passing goes. I thought he looked like a better pure passer his freshman year, although that could have been skewed because he was passing to Junior Adams and Aaron Hill. I guarantee that he will work harder than anyone else to improve on that in the off-season, though, and I am confident he will look vastly improved this spring and next fall. He also needs to have confidence in his O-line, as most games he was just scrambling for his life and had no time to throw the ball. Bottom line is that he just gets the job done, and the team follows him like you wouldn't believe. I don't know if you have watched "The Line," but after he led the unbelievable comeback against NAU, the entire team (led by seniors) was doing the "Lulay, Lulay..." chant in the locker room. It was chilling to watch, because you might expect some of those guys to be a little jealous of all the attention he gets. But they just love him.

BozoneCat

Now this is the board I've come to like

I left early yesterday just as things started to get fun around the old homestead.

I heard Kramer is so tight lipped becouse he can't find anyone to give a scholorship to Maybe state needs to start pulling the old UCLA trick and give football rides to basketball players just so they won't go play for other PAC 10 schools.

Ah, yeah, Turnquist - that was the guy. He was good, and that was a nasty injury. Glad he's gone though.

And yes, I did see those drives, and no, I still don't consider Molock and Co. a serious scoring threat (what, did you think I'd agree with that on the smack board? :P )

Third, Lulay. Ah, Lulay. I don't know why, I just kind of like him. I'm pretty skeptical about his talent though. Could be because he was runnin for his life so much of the time.

And I wouldn't call back-to-back 7-6 seasons or whatever "getting it done".

Bozo, Wildrat, Wb

Do you guys hate us bringing up the 7-6 records as much as we hate (yous) guys ( and I use the guy term very lightly when talking of wildrat) bringing up the last two years of rat - Griz?

I myself find the last 2 years of rat - Griz scores very annoying. So please stop bringing it up in any thread that I might be reading.

Okay Jagr .. I won't bring up the Cat winning streak against the Griz anymore. We can talk about the Griz's losing streak against the Cats though? They are 0-2 the last 2 years right?