Many here are willing to make their picks known on the Griz game of the week. Okay, let's see who has the best political acumen among the Griz super-faithful.
Oh, and slam now at the peril of looking like an idiot later.
Here's my guesses:
Popular Vote Percentage - National
Kerry-Edwards - 50%
Bush-Cheney - 48%
Other - 2%
Electoral College
Kerry-Edwards - 304
Bush-Cheney - 234
Also remember what SI.com shed light on. If the Washington Redskins win on the weekend before the election, then the incumbant stays in office. If not, the challenger wins. Well...lets see here...
Personally I'm frustrated with the Democrat Party, I think Bush is a below average president, but had an equally below average challenger in both races. It's frustrating to see "my guys" loose, but hey, if you can't get someone to put Bush away, maybe you don't deserve to win.
BUT - Kerry's loss does provide us one good thing down the road. In 2008... President Clinton...Hillary Clinton! 8)
(Lets wait at least 3 year though before we go debating on that one)
I think for state politics this may have been a democrats dream - all the factors looked good for them:
1) redistricting by the democrats (I was previously in republican districts, find my self in the University district - even though I live on the other side of town - without a republican on the ballot.
2) Cyanide mining initiative should have mobilized the environmental voters
3) Gay marriage initiative should have mobilized the gay community (although results may suggest my logic doesn't hold up here)
4) Medicinal marijuana initiative should have mobilized, well those who weren't already too baked to get off the couch
5) Competent but drab republican candidate for governor vs outgoing, personable democrat (where do I get my "My Governor is a bigger egomaniac than yours" bumper sticker?).
Either way I think the state will be in good shape. Despite the rhetoric very few people in Montana politics are extremists (I found myself in agreement with the positions taken on several issues by my inherited legislator and senator), and term limits will keep things interesting for the next few years.
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ReMax,
I like Real Estate agents but that Hillary for president is too much.
Almost enough to remove the smile from my face today.
If you think you lost big this time try putting up Hillary as your standard bearer. The Repubs would generate record contributions.
You guys need to get rid of the hate and the Mike Moore crowd. Bill Clinton won because he ran as a centrist and a positive campaign of hope for the future. Nominating the most liberal folks in your party won't work.
Bush was a candidate that was bashed for 4 years by movies, books, hollywood, and puff Diddy. Redskins lost...stock market was down...Red Sox won in Busch Stadium...most of the time below 50% approval... lost all the debates...had the major networks and 60 minutes doing hit pieces against him and Bush still recorded more votes than Ronald Reagan. They also picked up seats in the house and senate and knocked off the Dems senate leader. How could that have happened?
Yeah...that was meant more as a joke than anything. One way to get under a lot of reps. skin is to mention Hillary. Sorry guys, hope I didn't ruin your day.
I guess we'll just have to see who decides to run. I would suppose in 4 years we'll see some of Bush's cabinet trying to get the republican nod? Condoleeza or Colin?
I think right now the Dems are just a litte to far "out there." I almost wonder if they need to take a page out of Bacus & Schweitzers book. I mean if Montana can elect a demorcrat senator & governor and have 60% of the state vote for Bush, there's got to be something about how these guys are that makes republicans in MT vote for them.
As for the Dems in '08 I don't see much potential right now. Hillary would be a big name, as all of the country would know her. She'd get a lot of votes from women all over the country. Right now the Dems are real high on the guy from Illinois, Barack Obama. But he's a newbie, he'll need a whole lot more time in the national political scene before he's ready to be considered a viable candidate.
A run at what? He's a "higher up" in the Republican party, I would expect him being considered as a cabinet member for the next Rep. presidential candidate.
Many here are willing to make their picks known on the Griz game of the week. Okay, let's see who has the best political acumen among the Griz super-faithful.
Oh, and slam now at the peril of looking like an idiot later.
Here's my guesses:
Popular Vote Percentage - National
Kerry-Edwards - 50%
Bush-Cheney - 48%
Other - 2%
Electoral College
Kerry-Edwards - 304
Bush-Cheney - 234
I think Bush will win 51 to 49% with More of the Popular vote.
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No... not me. 8)
