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Decisions like this lead to less money for band and UM
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We all have much to learn from white supremacists.
IdaGriz01
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Apple and oranges.wbtfg said:
That stadium, paid for by fans (one way or another), is their workplace, not a forum that they "own." They are (very well-paid) employees of the team. What other business would tolerate behavior of an employee, or employees, that alienated a major segment of their customers? Answer: None. Yep, they have the same freedom of expression being kicked around on this thread -- on their own time. You want to protest perceived "unfairness" in U. S. society? Hire a hall, organize a parade or whatever -- with your own money (most of you have plenty) -- and see how many show up.
Not that it matter for us ... we pretty much gave up on the NFL long before this issue came up.
rotesst: ...IdaGriz01 said:
except many nfl teams (and thus the nfl) are basically charities that take taxpayer money to build their stadiums, etc... also, haven't special laws been passed for them so that they can have the draft, deny players entry out of high school, etc? the line is definitely blurred.
sdk.catfish said:
The First Amendment prohibits the government, and generally a public school is covered, not to abridge free speech. It doesn't apply to the NFL. Nevertheless, a lot of people focus on the general concept of freedom of expression. I don't follow the NFL kneeling stuff much. Thought Kap was being stupid, but didn't know why he was doing it. Didn't pay attention. I don't care if players or people kneel at NFL games. Some people do, though, and that seems to be having some impact on the NFL brand. I am more concerned about UM and its funding/budget than the NFL.
This is arrogance, See that the dean has 2 degrees from Berkeley. Wonder if he ever heard of the Free Speech Movement at Berkeley in the 60's.
"The dean said he does not believe Adams fits the profile of the annual Cole lecturer, who traditionally has been a respected journalist speaking on journalism issues."
The woman who established the Cole lectures, and pays for them, selected the speaker, invited him, and signed a contract with him. The arrogant dean doesn't believe the speaker fits the founder's profile. Then, he makes his decision without consulting the UM president. What an idiot.
Stearns' comments make it very clear that she doesn't agree with the dean. Hopefully, the dean will be retiring sooner than later. UM doesn't need a dean who hurts the brand and chases off what I assume is the largest donor to the journalism department.
"The dean said he does not believe Adams fits the profile of the annual Cole lecturer, who traditionally has been a respected journalist speaking on journalism issues."
The woman who established the Cole lectures, and pays for them, selected the speaker, invited him, and signed a contract with him. The arrogant dean doesn't believe the speaker fits the founder's profile. Then, he makes his decision without consulting the UM president. What an idiot.
Stearns' comments make it very clear that she doesn't agree with the dean. Hopefully, the dean will be retiring sooner than later. UM doesn't need a dean who hurts the brand and chases off what I assume is the largest donor to the journalism department.
IdaGriz01
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Yep. "Preaching to the choir" does not accomplishment much, other than perhaps a "feel good" moment. Same goes for being part of the choir being preached to ... just reinforces your beliefs without examining them. Of course, many (most?) people that hold the more extreme views -- either way, we now know -- have no interest in examining (i.e., questioning) those views.AZGrizFan said:
AZGrizFan said:
Moreover, freedom of speech gives everyone the right to make an ass out of themselves. If you want to be hateful and a bigot, that’s your prerogative. You just have to accept the other edge of the sword when people talk about how wrong you are. When you silence that bigot, you go against everything that this country stands for. You go against freedom of expression. You go against freedom of speech.
The same truth applies to the other side. Marxists, communists, socialists, all have the freedom to express themselves. I don’t agree with them, but I agree that they can speak.
What is currently happening is reverse-McCarthyism.
Everyone seems to be ignoring one of the fundamental questions. How much money needs to be given to demand who gets to be a sponsored speaker?
Is$1M the number? 50 grand enough? 5 grand?
Reminds me of the old joke where you ask someone if you could sleep with their wife for $50. How about$500? How about$50,000,etc. Until you reach a point where they say yes. Then you say that we now know what she is, we're just haggling over price.
Is$1M the number? 50 grand enough? 5 grand?
Reminds me of the old joke where you ask someone if you could sleep with their wife for $50. How about$500? How about$50,000,etc. Until you reach a point where they say yes. Then you say that we now know what she is, we're just haggling over price.
behappp said:
Perhaps, but the question here is a bit different. After the 10th year of speakers sponsored by what I assume is the Journalism school's no. 1 donor, $1.5 million and growing, why would the dean reject the donor's speaker, someone who has been recognized as his school's faculty person of the year twice and someone who has recently won a very big US Sup. Ct. case important to college professors, to speak at the Journalism school? Why wouldn't the dean first consult the President of UM? It's not like the donor wanted this speaker to get hired by UM, or for a building to be named after the speaker. It was a one-time speech.
Sure, the guy is controversial. He is apparently prolific on blogging/social media. He makes fun of PC things. What's wrong with allowing the guy one speech at UM. I will try to attend, just to see what the guy has to say. My guess is that after his speech, UM will become the subject of some of his blogging.
Now the speaker will come, and has already gotten more attention than he would have otherwise gotten. Instead of UM journalism people being honored and recognized at a big 10th anniversary event, the event will honor non-Journalism people outside UM. And now, while the donor will continue her scholarship and something else, she will decided what other donations will continue to come.
Seems to be about as dumb of a decision as the Journalism dean could have made. I just don't think it's a good idea for UM to chase away long-time donors. UM needs funding. It doesn't need to sell it's sole, but with profs and people being terminated, the band not being given enough money to go to MSU for the day, and probably other athletic budget cuts here or coming, I believe UM needs to be extra careful not to chase away or turn down money.
This is from the UNC-Charlotte publication. Looks like they let him speak there earlier this year.
"Adams spoke about his perception that campus speech codes — rules that prohibit hate speech — across the country are unconstitutional and dangerous. He said he thinks sometimes speech codes backfire and can reinforce negative stereotypes against the minorities they are trying to protect.
“If there is a negative stereotype that blacks have a chip on their shoulder, a negative stereotype that women are emotional; if there is an awful negative stereotype that someone who is gay has an emotional disturbance, guess what? Coming along and saying that (speech codes) are going to defend only them, because they’re too weak to make arguments on their own, reinforces the stereotype,” Adams said. “I think it is an ugly source of bigotry, these speech codes.”
Adams cited several cases in which these codes were found to violate the First Amendment, including one case at Georgia Tech where two conservative students objected to the subject matter and coarse language in a performance of the Vagina Monologues at their school. These students created a poster that expressed their opinions, and were found to be in violation of the school’s speech code. With the encouragement of Adams, the students sued the university and were in court for two years before a court ruled in their favor."
No one is denying Mike Adams right to speech. He can come to campus and rant away on the oval like others do .
I have been to hear many of the J-School sponsored speakers. The speakers are journalists talking about their experiences and their trade. Adams is not a journalist.
I have been to hear many of the J-School sponsored speakers. The speakers are journalists talking about their experiences and their trade. Adams is not a journalist.
maroonandsilver said:
Perhaps you (and the dean) should check your facts. From the first sentence of the speaker's Wiki: "Mike S. Adams (born Columbus, Mississippi, October 30, 1964) is an American conservative political columnist, writer, author and professor at University of North Carolina Wilmington (UNCW)."
One of the place he writes is TownHall. In 2017, he has written 41 columns so far. HIs last one is entitled: "Grizzly Bigotry At The University of Montana".
I'm sorry, but a columnist, writer and author is a journalist. And, if free speech isn't a journalistic topic, I don't know what is. Plus, he has written at least 3 books.
"Harbor House published Adams' first book, Welcome to the Ivory Tower of Babel, in 2004.[5] Sentinel published his second book, Feminists Say the Darndest Things: A Politically Incorrect Professor Confronts "Womyn" On Campus, in 2008." Wiki. He wrote another one in 2013.
Link to Fox New Radio talk show in Baltimore, with Lewis. Interesting. The talk show host calls the UM Dean a "religious bigot". Sounds like some legal action may be coming. They have some of the Dean's emails as well as his interview with a Missoula radio station. "Great", hopefully minor, press coming for UM.
https://radio.foxnews.com/2017/10/19/professor-mike-adams-on-being-banned-from-speaking-at-the-university-of-montana-this-is-not-the-last-that-they-will-here-from-us/
