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"Reporter Loses Thick Skin, Takes Cheap Shot @ eGriz"
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GrizGuy
Well-known member
Thank you.
Honestly, it could've been better, but like I told Chris when I submitted it, I've got both kids at home today and had to occupy them so I could bang that out.
I also told him my next post will be about things that I think are going RIGHT with UM athletics.
Also, it just occurred to me that my name is not on that post, which was my mistake. Most of you know my name, but it's Frank Field and I didn't want to put that out without my name on it.
Carry on...
GO GRIZ!
Honestly, it could've been better, but like I told Chris when I submitted it, I've got both kids at home today and had to occupy them so I could bang that out.
I also told him my next post will be about things that I think are going RIGHT with UM athletics.
Also, it just occurred to me that my name is not on that post, which was my mistake. Most of you know my name, but it's Frank Field and I didn't want to put that out without my name on it.
Carry on...
GO GRIZ!
Nice perspective from a journalist who payed attention in class, or who had some decent profs...
Thanks for the write up.. I'll share it with the wife!
Thanks for the write up.. I'll share it with the wife!
Zootown Rox
Well-known member
I loved this post by username Greenland over at the Missoulian comments section:
"It really does appear overall to simply be an effort to "out" the board owner, by publicizing his name and linking him to his employer, creating a link to the University that it was likely very few knew. Florio knew what she was doing here, and it wasn't "news," it was "outing" a source of criticism by attacking the guy who runs the hardware.
I went to the egriz site and did a sample search.
The C word brought up 36 references. I looked at the specific references.
The threads, with numbers of posts of the total (36) generating the search responses:
(15 hits) a thread entitled "Incredible story." That was a link to a May 25, 2012 LA Times article: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-rape-dismiss-20120525,0,3372200.story" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The story was about a black man who served 10 years in prison for a rape conviction that the "victim" finally admitted she had fabricated, in part to get a $1.2 million settlement from a school district. The outrage on egriz was that the "victim's" primary concern in coming clean was that she might have to give the money back. One poster posted that the alleged victim was the veritable "definition" of the C word. The majority of the repeat searches on the link were simply repeats of the original post, and in which several posters objected to the original use of the term.
(5 hits) "Jealous." The main thread using the word was an extended criticism of the fact that someone had used the term at a basketball game to describe a player's Mom while the player was shooting free throws, the Mom happened to be at the game, and most posters wondered why the ref's didn't impose a penalty for the outrageous conduct. Misogynistic? The thread was a CRITICISM of the fact that the word was used at a game, how inappropriate it was, and whether or not penalties should have been imposed. Four of the references simply were quoting the original post describing the play action and the word used.
(4 hits) "Big Sky announces Future Football Schedules." The four references to the "C" word were in a name-calling of a well-known Bobcat troll. No women involved in thread. Three references were simply in "quoting" the original post.
(3 hits) Rob Ash's MSU Record." -- again, someone used the "C" reference to a male Bobcat fan. Two references were simply in quoting the original post.
(2 hits) "Goodbye Giz/Cat Game?" The search engine picked up the following post: "not sure if exhibition games C-word against the 1 team limit - the Griz normally play 2 NAIA games that count and 2 that are exhibition." The poster had apparently misspelled "count" and the forum software made a deletion and change. Nothing in the thread was about women. The two hits were typos.
Single references were as follows:
"Game at Eastern" A male poster referred to another male poster.
"What do you imagine E-griz football posters to look like" A series of links to on-line posters with various vulgar themes, ironically referring to and denigrating stereotypes of male sports fans.
"Missoulian Sportswriter Picked Cats," A single reference by one poster to another male poster.
"The Official Bobcat Excuse Thread." A derogatory term referring to the Bobcats.
"More Trouble for Mr. Donaldson." The only post using the term was in the context of criticizing its use as a generic name-calling of other males during disagreements.
"Florio Article." Somebody there did not like Ms. Florio thinking she had fixated on the term.
There were, in fact, just two references using the word in the context of females.
One in the context of a highly publicized retraction of a rape claim in which a young man falsely accused went to prison. Florio has not noted that story in her own reporting oddly enough, even though of timely relevance to any controversy on the point.
The second reference was to Florio herself, in the context of writing a story about the use of the word.
The vast majority of references related to the use of the word were, in fact, critical of its use. A significant thread using the word was a unanimous objection to the word being used during game play, in the presence of a player's Mom, without a penalty being imposed.
Now, that represents just two uses of the word in contexts directly referencing women. That is out of 514,904 posts on the football forum. That's .0000038% of the posts.
Suffice it to say, Gwen Florio's portrayal is not just highly misleading, her statistical measure conflated the extremely few instances where the use of the term was genuinely abusive, to INCLUDE all instances -- the significant MAJORITY of instances -- where in fact posters found the use of the word objectionable!
That's not just highly misleading, that's dishonest reporting.
The Missoulian crossed a line here between advocacy and self-serving reporting by an involved reporter on the one hand -- bad enough -- to outright misrepresentations of the factual record.
This is disturbing. A Missoulian reporter obviously has attempted to fabricate a narrative -- one that fits a certain stereotype she apparently is attempting to promote -- about a football forum in which she counted, as evidence of misogynistic attitudes, the vast majority of the posts which were in fact exactly the opposite.
The fact that she would do this, in a "news" article, about a forum where she has been substantially and fairly criticized for biased reporting, and do so invoking the most overt misrepresentations as "evidence," indeed, ignoring the fact that the vast majority of posts were critical of the derogatory use of the term, really represents her own malicious attack on critics and on a culture where her own obviously well-developed stereotypes dominate her writing to the exclusion of honest news reporting."
"It really does appear overall to simply be an effort to "out" the board owner, by publicizing his name and linking him to his employer, creating a link to the University that it was likely very few knew. Florio knew what she was doing here, and it wasn't "news," it was "outing" a source of criticism by attacking the guy who runs the hardware.
I went to the egriz site and did a sample search.
The C word brought up 36 references. I looked at the specific references.
The threads, with numbers of posts of the total (36) generating the search responses:
(15 hits) a thread entitled "Incredible story." That was a link to a May 25, 2012 LA Times article: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-rape-dismiss-20120525,0,3372200.story" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The story was about a black man who served 10 years in prison for a rape conviction that the "victim" finally admitted she had fabricated, in part to get a $1.2 million settlement from a school district. The outrage on egriz was that the "victim's" primary concern in coming clean was that she might have to give the money back. One poster posted that the alleged victim was the veritable "definition" of the C word. The majority of the repeat searches on the link were simply repeats of the original post, and in which several posters objected to the original use of the term.
(5 hits) "Jealous." The main thread using the word was an extended criticism of the fact that someone had used the term at a basketball game to describe a player's Mom while the player was shooting free throws, the Mom happened to be at the game, and most posters wondered why the ref's didn't impose a penalty for the outrageous conduct. Misogynistic? The thread was a CRITICISM of the fact that the word was used at a game, how inappropriate it was, and whether or not penalties should have been imposed. Four of the references simply were quoting the original post describing the play action and the word used.
(4 hits) "Big Sky announces Future Football Schedules." The four references to the "C" word were in a name-calling of a well-known Bobcat troll. No women involved in thread. Three references were simply in "quoting" the original post.
(3 hits) Rob Ash's MSU Record." -- again, someone used the "C" reference to a male Bobcat fan. Two references were simply in quoting the original post.
(2 hits) "Goodbye Giz/Cat Game?" The search engine picked up the following post: "not sure if exhibition games C-word against the 1 team limit - the Griz normally play 2 NAIA games that count and 2 that are exhibition." The poster had apparently misspelled "count" and the forum software made a deletion and change. Nothing in the thread was about women. The two hits were typos.
Single references were as follows:
"Game at Eastern" A male poster referred to another male poster.
"What do you imagine E-griz football posters to look like" A series of links to on-line posters with various vulgar themes, ironically referring to and denigrating stereotypes of male sports fans.
"Missoulian Sportswriter Picked Cats," A single reference by one poster to another male poster.
"The Official Bobcat Excuse Thread." A derogatory term referring to the Bobcats.
"More Trouble for Mr. Donaldson." The only post using the term was in the context of criticizing its use as a generic name-calling of other males during disagreements.
"Florio Article." Somebody there did not like Ms. Florio thinking she had fixated on the term.
There were, in fact, just two references using the word in the context of females.
One in the context of a highly publicized retraction of a rape claim in which a young man falsely accused went to prison. Florio has not noted that story in her own reporting oddly enough, even though of timely relevance to any controversy on the point.
The second reference was to Florio herself, in the context of writing a story about the use of the word.
The vast majority of references related to the use of the word were, in fact, critical of its use. A significant thread using the word was a unanimous objection to the word being used during game play, in the presence of a player's Mom, without a penalty being imposed.
Now, that represents just two uses of the word in contexts directly referencing women. That is out of 514,904 posts on the football forum. That's .0000038% of the posts.
Suffice it to say, Gwen Florio's portrayal is not just highly misleading, her statistical measure conflated the extremely few instances where the use of the term was genuinely abusive, to INCLUDE all instances -- the significant MAJORITY of instances -- where in fact posters found the use of the word objectionable!
That's not just highly misleading, that's dishonest reporting.
The Missoulian crossed a line here between advocacy and self-serving reporting by an involved reporter on the one hand -- bad enough -- to outright misrepresentations of the factual record.
This is disturbing. A Missoulian reporter obviously has attempted to fabricate a narrative -- one that fits a certain stereotype she apparently is attempting to promote -- about a football forum in which she counted, as evidence of misogynistic attitudes, the vast majority of the posts which were in fact exactly the opposite.
The fact that she would do this, in a "news" article, about a forum where she has been substantially and fairly criticized for biased reporting, and do so invoking the most overt misrepresentations as "evidence," indeed, ignoring the fact that the vast majority of posts were critical of the derogatory use of the term, really represents her own malicious attack on critics and on a culture where her own obviously well-developed stereotypes dominate her writing to the exclusion of honest news reporting."
GrizMusician
Well-known member
So... I guess this means we're at war? :shock: :lol:
GrizMusician
Well-known member
grizpack said:
I would donate to Chris' defense. :thumb:
GrizMusician
Well-known member
griz4life said:
Snakes shed skin... & apparently so does Gwen Florio. So, does that mean that Gwen Florio is a snake?
Zootown Rox
Well-known member
kemajic said:
I'm as democratic as the next guy, and dishonest reporting has no place in my political party. Also, why would you bring up politics here - that was weird.
Zootown Rox said:
I guess he thought it was the "cheap shot thread."
grizcountry420
Well-known member
GrizMusician said:
Settle down Barack Obama........
