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In-state recruits not a big deal in North Dakota

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griz4life

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As this column points out, North Dakota and North Dakota State combined for four in-state recruits this year, including a transfer returning home. If the Griz recruited like that, but managed to win back to back championships, while moving up a division no less, would the wins make the lack of Montana kids on the roster acceptable? Sure doesn't seem to keep Bison fans away.


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It's cool having homegrown Montana boys on the roster, but I myself am completely fine with having out of state athletes playing for Montana. It's not that big of a deal. If an out of state athlete is a better player than one of our Montana boys, he should get to play. Everyone who plays on the team is at that point a Montanan.
 
IMHO the lack of homegrown kids would be the worst part of moving to fbs. UM/MSU would only sign one or two mt kids per year to scholarships.
 
wbtfg said:
IMHO the lack of homegrown kids would be the worst part of moving to fbs. UM/MSU would only sign one or two mt kids per year to scholarships.
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Well, it looks like the lack of homegrown kids would be the worst part of joining the Mo. Valley Conference, forget FBS.
I don't know much about UND's staff, but I wonder if NDSU coach Bohl, coming from Nebraska is more driven to get the best athlete no matter where they're from.
The guy recruits Florida kids to NDSU. That's impressive. Remember the Montana coaches grousing about how hard it was going to be to recruit California kids if the Big Sky split and the Montana schools didn't play in Cali much?
 
Seems you may be making the assumption that fewer in-state recruits would result in more success. I disagree with that. Look at our All-American and All-Conference lists, then look at where those players came from. Look at where most of the players that have gone on to pro careers have come from. In state recruiting is very important and you really can't compare Montana to North Dakota in terms of HS talent. I played college ball in ND and can tell you that there is a big difference in talent. Even our NAIA program had only about a quarter to a third of ND kids. I don't think any of our in-state recruits were recruited because they were in state. They were recruited because they were ranked high enough on our coaches lists to warrant a scholarship.
 
GRZFTBL said:
How many from their almost home state, Minnesota? I'm too damn tired to look.
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At NDSU, home of the last two FCS national title trophies, the Bison grabbed the majority of their 21 kids from Wisconsin (6), Minnesota (3) and Florida (3).

So much for "recruiting more in Minnesota".
 
griz4life said:
wbtfg said:
IMHO the lack of homegrown kids would be the worst part of moving to fbs. UM/MSU would only sign one or two mt kids per year to scholarships.
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Well, it looks like the lack of homegrown kids would be the worst part of joining the Mo. Valley Conference, forget FBS.
I don't know much about UND's staff, but I wonder if NDSU coach Bohl, coming from Nebraska is more driven to get the best athlete no matter where they're from.
The guy recruits Florida kids to NDSU. That's impressive. Remember the Montana coaches grousing about how hard it was going to be to recruit California kids if the Big Sky split and the Montana schools didn't play in Cali much?
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Unfortunately wbtfg just announced the biggest recruiting problem for the Griz going forward. The best HS players available just aren't from the state of Montana. That's is just a fact. To dominate FCS or move up and compete at the FBS level, UM will have to broaden their recruiting base significantly. For a program that has had success utilizing rosters filled with a majority of Montana recruits, this could be difficult to deal with for some in the fan base. How many D1 recruits does the state of Montana produce every year, one, two? That is amazing! Ponder that thought. I mean look at MSU vs SHSU during the playoffs last year! If there was ever an"over matched" team in terms of speed, it was MSU. The Griz will suffer the same fate in a "deep" playoff run if they don't continue to integrate a lot more out of state recruits IMO.It looks like Justin Green got the memo however.
 
Montana's best athletes haven't played FCS. The state produces about 10 FCS athletes a year, which seems about right doesn't it? For a state with less than a million people?
 
griz4life said:
Montana's best athletes haven't played FCS. The state produces about 10 FCS athletes a year, which seems about right doesn't it? For a state with less than a million people?
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Huh? where have they played then?
 
griz4life said:
Montana's best athletes haven't played FCS. The state produces about 10 FCS athletes a year, which seems about right doesn't it? For a state with less than a million people?
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Sorry. My comments were dealing with the number of D1 FBS recruits from Montana high schools. My bad.
 
CV Griz Fan said:
griz4life said:
Montana's best athletes haven't played FCS. The state produces about 10 FCS athletes a year, which seems about right doesn't it? For a state with less than a million people?
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Sorry. My comments were dealing with the number of D1 FBS recruits from Montana high schools. My bad.
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I just looked at Rivals.com. Montana was one of six states that didn't
have a FBS high school recruit for the class of 2013. Wow!
 
Hammer said:
griz4life said:
Montana's best athletes haven't played FCS. The state produces about 10 FCS athletes a year, which seems about right doesn't it? For a state with less than a million people?
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Huh? where have they played then?
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Washington, Washington State, Oregon State, Iowa, Nebraska, Stanford, Boise State, Arizona State.
 
CV Griz Fan said:
CV Griz Fan said:
griz4life said:
Montana's best athletes haven't played FCS. The state produces about 10 FCS athletes a year, which seems about right doesn't it? For a state with less than a million people?
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Sorry. My comments were dealing with the number of D1 FBS recruits from Montana high schools. My bad.
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I just looked at Rivals.com. Montana was one of six states that didn't
have a FBS high school recruit for the class of 2013. Wow!
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Hanser from Billings signed with Washington State
 
griz4life said:
Hammer said:
griz4life said:
Montana's best athletes haven't played FCS. The state produces about 10 FCS athletes a year, which seems about right doesn't it? For a state with less than a million people?
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Huh? where have they played then?
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Washington, Washington State, Oregon State, Iowa, Nebraska, Stanford, Boise State, Arizona State.
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Sure, no shit. But there are still more Montana kids in the NFL from the FCS than the FBS. Right?
 
CV Griz Fan said:
Unfortunately wbtfg just announced the biggest recruiting problem for the Griz going forward. The best HS players available just aren't from the state of Montana. That's is just a fact. To dominate FCS or move up and compete at the FBS level, UM will have to broaden their recruiting base significantly. For a program that has had success utilizing rosters filled with a majority of Montana recruits, this could be difficult to deal with for some in the fan base. How many D1 recruits does the state of Montana produce every year, one, two? That is amazing! Ponder that thought. I mean look at MSU vs SHSU during the playoffs last year! If there was ever an"over matched" team in terms of speed, it was MSU. The Griz will suffer the same fate in a "deep" playoff run if they don't continue to integrate a lot more out of state recruits IMO.It looks like Justin Green got the memo however.
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Yes, the best players are out of state and typically play at the FBS level. Where do you suggest we can successfully broaden our recruiting base? Where do we have the connections and name recognition to do that? It would be unwise for us to abandon our current recruiting areas, where we can compete against top FCS programs and bottom FBS programs for talent. We can compete with borderline FBS prospects in places like MT, WA, OR, AZ, and CA where we have connections and are recognized. We don't have that ability in other areas of the country unless we invest a good deal of our budget and time to devote the efforts to those regions, which is a risk. Our talent level is actually very good and I believe that will be evident this year.
 
griz4life said:
Hammer said:
griz4life said:
Montana's best athletes haven't played FCS. The state produces about 10 FCS athletes a year, which seems about right doesn't it? For a state with less than a million people?
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Huh? where have they played then?
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Washington, Washington State, Oregon State, Iowa, Nebraska, Stanford, Boise State, Arizona State.
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Sorry Griz4life, according to Rivals.com, the state of Montana had the worst ratio of the number of HS football players divided by the number of FBS scholarship offers in the country. Montana's ratio 0/4691 for the 2013 recruiting class. Enough said on that topic.
 
CV Griz Fan said:
griz4life said:
Hammer said:
griz4life said:
Montana's best athletes haven't played FCS. The state produces about 10 FCS athletes a year, which seems about right doesn't it? For a state with less than a million people?
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Huh? where have they played then?
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Washington, Washington State, Oregon State, Iowa, Nebraska, Stanford, Boise State, Arizona State.
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Sorry Griz4life, according to Rivals.com, the state of Montana had the worst ratio of the number of HS football players divided by the number of FBS scholarship offers in the country. Montana's ratio 0/4691 for the 2013 recruiting class. Enough said on that topic.
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On the same token, I would bet the number of Montana kids in the NFL right now is very good, based on state populations.
 
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