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2012 defense

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getgrizzy

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i know we graduated a lot of guys, but i think we might be more talented overall on defense this year. time will tell i guess. as long as coyle and tripp recover from injuries. i think our dl and secondary have more talent than last year. i thought waldo was good, but a little over rated. fetherston and alt didn't really impress me that much. i think takai and harris will be better than any of those three. coyle was actually the starter at mlb before he got hurt and mcsurdy took over. i think he's as good. we have a little dropoff at cb, but our safeties will more than make up for that. hermanson has nfl written all over him.
 
they are going to be a damn good defense. young, fast, and hit hard

tripp will recover from his injury and be back in the fall!! i didnt know coyle got hurt? he played all season and had sacks and an INT in playoffs

also i agree if our safeties play lights out that will help the CB's get comfortable in the starting roll..

all in all i think this defense is going to be damn good!!
 
Ok, I agree and disagree.

Where I agree: The 2012 defense has a lot of new and returning talent. The LB corps of Tripp/Coyle/JP with Timmer/Stu/Holt/Kose also in the mix will be crazy good. The single level of talent that was held by McSurdy will now be spread around. Harris I also do believe was/is the best DE the Griz had last year as a pass rusher.

Where I disagree: Waldo most certainly was not over-rated, DTs/NTs rarely put up flashy stats and their work in the trenches goes largely unnoticed. He led the team in sacks in 2010 and 2011. He was/is a force on the D-line and the most consistant player of the whole bunch. Alt I put in the similar category, pass-rush wasn't his specialty but edge containment was. Fether wound up splitting a ton of time with Harris, he never fully found his footing but I think was a solid part of the team. Takai needs work, IMO, he's got the size, but he needs to find a consistant level to play at which I've not seen him do in the last 2 years. For Tonga it's either peaks or valleys. Tonga will take that gap-stuffing role and I think the guys actually that will really make a splash this year will be Alex Bienemann and Jesse Ginn.

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Safety is solid, assuming Tully cleans up his tackling.

Corner is raw but good, Murray, Frank, Harris, Miles, & Goodwin will duke it out. I almost wonder if they'll look to move one of the young safeties to challenge this spot as well, Lebsock or Gratton?
 
smokey23 said:
they are going to be a damn good defense. young, fast, and hit hard

tripp will recover from his injury and be back in the fall!! i didnt know coyle got hurt? he played all season and had sacks and an INT in playoffs

also i agree if our safeties play lights out that will help the CB's get comfortable in the starting roll..

all in all i think this defense is going to be damn good!!
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Coyle was hurt in 2010 and had some sort of surgery, shoulder I think - I believe that was what he was referring to, back then Coyle was leading over Dirty at MLB going into the 2010 season.
 
BWahlberg said:
Ok, I agree and disagree.

Where I agree: The 2012 defense has a lot of new and returning talent. The LB corps of Tripp/Coyle/JP with Timmer/Stu/Holt/Kose also in the mix will be crazy good. The single level of talent that was held by McSurdy will now be spread around. Harris I also do believe was/is the best DE the Griz had last year as a pass rusher.

Where I disagree: Waldo most certainly was not over-rated, DTs/NTs rarely put up flashy stats and their work in the trenches goes largely unnoticed. He led the team in sacks in 2010 and 2011. He was/is a force on the D-line and the most consistant player of the whole bunch. Alt I put in the similar category, pass-rush wasn't his specialty but edge containment was. Fether wound up splitting a ton of time with Harris, he never fully found his footing but I think was a solid part of the team. Takai needs work, IMO, he's got the size, but he needs to find a consistant level to play at which I've not seen him do in the last 2 years. For Tonga it's either peaks or valleys. Tonga will take that gap-stuffing role and I think the guys actually that will really make a splash this year will be Alex Bienemann and Jesse Ginn.

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Safety is solid, assuming Tully cleans up his tackling.

Corner is raw but good, Murray, Frank, Harris, Miles, & Goodwin will duke it out. I almost wonder if they'll look to move one of the young safeties to challenge this spot as well, Lebsock or Gratton?
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Anyone who thinks Waldo was overrated obviously knows nothing about football. He was a stud, as well as a great kid!
 
Growler1 said:
BWahlberg said:
Ok, I agree and disagree.

Where I agree: The 2012 defense has a lot of new and returning talent. The LB corps of Tripp/Coyle/JP with Timmer/Stu/Holt/Kose also in the mix will be crazy good. The single level of talent that was held by McSurdy will now be spread around. Harris I also do believe was/is the best DE the Griz had last year as a pass rusher.

Where I disagree: Waldo most certainly was not over-rated, DTs/NTs rarely put up flashy stats and their work in the trenches goes largely unnoticed. He led the team in sacks in 2010 and 2011. He was/is a force on the D-line and the most consistant player of the whole bunch. Alt I put in the similar category, pass-rush wasn't his specialty but edge containment was. Fether wound up splitting a ton of time with Harris, he never fully found his footing but I think was a solid part of the team. Takai needs work, IMO, he's got the size, but he needs to find a consistant level to play at which I've not seen him do in the last 2 years. For Tonga it's either peaks or valleys. Tonga will take that gap-stuffing role and I think the guys actually that will really make a splash this year will be Alex Bienemann and Jesse Ginn.

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Safety is solid, assuming Tully cleans up his tackling.

Corner is raw but good, Murray, Frank, Harris, Miles, & Goodwin will duke it out. I almost wonder if they'll look to move one of the young safeties to challenge this spot as well, Lebsock or Gratton?
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Anyone who thinks Waldo was overrated obviously knows nothing about football. He was a stud, as well as a great kid!
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Congrats you agree with Brint! Is that a first?
 
BWahlberg said:
Ok, I agree and disagree.

Where I agree: The 2012 defense has a lot of new and returning talent. The LB corps of Tripp/Coyle/JP with Timmer/Stu/Holt/Kose also in the mix will be crazy good. The single level of talent that was held by McSurdy will now be spread around. Harris I also do believe was/is the best DE the Griz had last year as a pass rusher.

Where I disagree: Waldo most certainly was not over-rated, DTs/NTs rarely put up flashy stats and their work in the trenches goes largely unnoticed. He led the team in sacks in 2010 and 2011. He was/is a force on the D-line and the most consistant player of the whole bunch. Alt I put in the similar category, pass-rush wasn't his specialty but edge containment was. Fether wound up splitting a ton of time with Harris, he never fully found his footing but I think was a solid part of the team. Takai needs work, IMO, he's got the size, but he needs to find a consistant level to play at which I've not seen him do in the last 2 years. For Tonga it's either peaks or valleys. Tonga will take that gap-stuffing role and I think the guys actually that will really make a splash this year will be Alex Bienemann and Jesse Ginn.

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Safety is solid, assuming Tully cleans up his tackling.

Corner is raw but good, Murray, Frank, Harris, Miles, & Goodwin will duke it out. I almost wonder if they'll look to move one of the young safeties to challenge this spot as well, Lebsock or Gratton?
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Another stat Waldo lead in was double teams. The guy is a beast...
 
Hard to say what the defense will look like without knowing who the coordinator is.


Everything I've heard indicates Gregoriak, however if that is the case, I assume they would have announced it by now.
 
getgrizzy said:
i know we graduated a lot of guys, but i think we might be more talented overall on defense this year. time will tell i guess. as long as coyle and tripp recover from injuries. i think our dl and secondary have more talent than last year. i thought waldo was good, but a little over rated. fetherston and alt didn't really impress me that much. i think takai and harris will be better than any of those three. coyle was actually the starter at mlb before he got hurt and mcsurdy took over. i think he's as good. we have a little dropoff at cb, but our safeties will more than make up for that. hermanson has nfl written all over him.
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Coyle as the starter over McSurdy before he got hurt? they weren't even playing the same position. Pull your head out of your ass. Waldo being overrated? Did you ever watch the games, or do you just look at height weight descriptions? I agree that safeties will be one of our strengths coming into this year!
 
Growler1 said:
BWahlberg said:
Ok, I agree and disagree.

Where I agree: The 2012 defense has a lot of new and returning talent. The LB corps of Tripp/Coyle/JP with Timmer/Stu/Holt/Kose also in the mix will be crazy good. The single level of talent that was held by McSurdy will now be spread around. Harris I also do believe was/is the best DE the Griz had last year as a pass rusher.

Where I disagree: Waldo most certainly was not over-rated, DTs/NTs rarely put up flashy stats and their work in the trenches goes largely unnoticed. He led the team in sacks in 2010 and 2011. He was/is a force on the D-line and the most consistant player of the whole bunch. Alt I put in the similar category, pass-rush wasn't his specialty but edge containment was. Fether wound up splitting a ton of time with Harris, he never fully found his footing but I think was a solid part of the team. Takai needs work, IMO, he's got the size, but he needs to find a consistant level to play at which I've not seen him do in the last 2 years. For Tonga it's either peaks or valleys. Tonga will take that gap-stuffing role and I think the guys actually that will really make a splash this year will be Alex Bienemann and Jesse Ginn.

-------------------

Safety is solid, assuming Tully cleans up his tackling.

Corner is raw but good, Murray, Frank, Harris, Miles, & Goodwin will duke it out. I almost wonder if they'll look to move one of the young safeties to challenge this spot as well, Lebsock or Gratton?
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Anyone who thinks Waldo was overrated obviously knows nothing about football. He was a stud, as well as a great kid!
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Well said. Waldo was maybe 265 soaking wet and he would physically punish anyone lined up against him. If anything Walhauser has been very UNDERRATED in his career.
 
WaGriz4life said:
Growler1 said:
BWahlberg said:
Ok, I agree and disagree.

Where I agree: The 2012 defense has a lot of new and returning talent. The LB corps of Tripp/Coyle/JP with Timmer/Stu/Holt/Kose also in the mix will be crazy good. The single level of talent that was held by McSurdy will now be spread around. Harris I also do believe was/is the best DE the Griz had last year as a pass rusher.

Where I disagree: Waldo most certainly was not over-rated, DTs/NTs rarely put up flashy stats and their work in the trenches goes largely unnoticed. He led the team in sacks in 2010 and 2011. He was/is a force on the D-line and the most consistant player of the whole bunch. Alt I put in the similar category, pass-rush wasn't his specialty but edge containment was. Fether wound up splitting a ton of time with Harris, he never fully found his footing but I think was a solid part of the team. Takai needs work, IMO, he's got the size, but he needs to find a consistant level to play at which I've not seen him do in the last 2 years. For Tonga it's either peaks or valleys. Tonga will take that gap-stuffing role and I think the guys actually that will really make a splash this year will be Alex Bienemann and Jesse Ginn.

-------------------

Safety is solid, assuming Tully cleans up his tackling.

Corner is raw but good, Murray, Frank, Harris, Miles, & Goodwin will duke it out. I almost wonder if they'll look to move one of the young safeties to challenge this spot as well, Lebsock or Gratton?
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Anyone who thinks Waldo was overrated obviously knows nothing about football. He was a stud, as well as a great kid!
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Well said. Waldo was maybe 265 soaking wet and he would physically punish anyone lined up against him. If anything Walhauser has been very UNDERRATED in his career.
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Agreed. Yes, he was underrated, not overrated. First team all conference as a senior and second team as a junior. Those teams are picked by the coaches.
 
agree re waldo. I thought we'd miss Hobbs bigtime in '11 but now i'm thinking we'll miss waldo even more in '12. there were a few games in his career where he was more than just an impact player, he dictated the outcome. 2011 vs. NAU comes to mind. he was more consistent than duncan. what he lacked in size he made up with in determination. if you could put waldo's heart in Duncan or Tonga's body...wow, look out. that's why sometimes i'm more excited about walk-ons than recruits.
 
garizzalies said:
agree re waldo. I thought we'd miss Hobbs bigtime in '11 but now i'm thinking we'll miss waldo even more in '12. there were a few games in his career where he was more than just an impact player, he dictated the outcome. 2011 vs. NAU comes to mind. he was more consistent than duncan. what he lacked in size he made up with in determination. if you could put waldo's heart in Duncan or Tonga's body...wow, look out. that's why sometimes i'm more excited about walk-ons than recruits.
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Waldo is the perfect example of what can be accomplished by commitment, determination, and hard work. He did not have some of the physical abilities of other D-linemen from the past, but his dedication to becoming great was the determining factor. He will be sorely missed next season for sure!

He reminds me of another great Griz D-lineman from the past, Larry Stranahan.
 
I'm hoping Ginn can fill those shoes. If not immediately then at least eventually. He has the tools to be great I'm just excited to see how he approaches the game. If he can come close to Waldo's intangibles....look out Big Sky
 
papa bear helena said:
I'm hoping Ginn can fill those shoes. If not immediately then at least eventually. He has the tools to be great I'm just excited to see how he approaches the game. If he can come close to Waldo's intangibles....look out Big Sky
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I agree. I think Ginn would have gone to a FBS school if he had not lived in Montana and under-the-radar. Hope his injury is healed.
 
I predict by the Cat Griz game the four starting DB's will be:

JR Sean Murray- Boundary Corner
FR Nate Harris- Field Corner
FR Connor Lebsock- Strong Safety
SO Matt Hermanson- Free Safety
 
WaGriz4life said:
I predict by the Cat Griz game the four starting DB's will be:

JR Sean Murray- Boundary Corner
FR Nate Harris- Field Corner
FR Connor Lebsock- Strong Safety
SO Matt Hermanson- Free Safety
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I wouldn't place two freshmen, although redshirted, so high just yet, even by the time of the Cat-Griz game; I'd consider "Chief" Goodwin, a 6'0" 185 lb Jr CB that has run a 10.6 100 m (40 tackles, 13 pass breakups, 2 Int. - one a pick-6), and a Jacob Coogan in the mix sooner, though Connor Lebsock is indeed intriguing. Coogan, Jr Safety 6'2" 205 lbs, out of Mater Dei hs in San Diego has some pretty decent accolades as well.
 
haha i am blown away by some of you guys. I just have a question do you ever watch the games? Waldo one of the best DT's to come out of the U of M. He is our first 1st BSC DT for like 7 or more years. Harris, At and Featherston all rotated looked like every 2 series. To say Harris is the best pass rusher is bold, he didn't even lead the team in sacks. When you have a team that blitz as much as we do a DE drops into coverage to fill one of the backers. watching the games that player was usually alt or featherston. so that limits their chances of a sack. and when you do blitz your not hoping for your dline to get the sack, the object of a blitz is to stunt your dline so a backer comes free. sometimes blocking errors do occur and a dlineman gets there before a backer.
 
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