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Postby hardycreek1 » Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:10 am

Mick Van Diest at Carroll in Helena knows how to win.

He has WON the national Championship FIVE TIMES!

That should be enough of a resume to be the next HC of the Griz.

He's a Montana coach who loves football and knows how to win.

He's my pick & I hope he is announced as HC later today.
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Re: Winners win - that's why we need MVD as coach

Postby DiscoGriz » Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:14 am

his name is mike
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Re: Winners win - that's why we need MVD as coach

Postby Forshizzlegrizzle » Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:15 am

That is my hope too. Others will jump on here and yell no and give no reasons at all other than rumors. Some will bring up recruiting when in fact Montana recruits itself so thats not an issue. He is a great defensive minded coach that expects nothing but perfect execution. The X's and O's don't change just the talent around him. Oh and he has a great staff around him.
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Re: Winners win - that's why we need MVD as coach

Postby grizrooter » Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:18 am

hardycreek1 wrote:Mick Van Diest at Carroll in Helena knows how to win.

He has WON the national Championship FIVE TIMES!

That should be enough of a resume to be the next HC of the Griz.

He's a Montana coach who loves football and knows how to win.

He's my pick & I hope he is announced as HC later today.


Too many skeletons in the closet. Horrible reputation when he was here under Donovan.
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Re: Winners win - that's why we need MVD as coach

Postby DiscoGriz » Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:18 am

Can he recruit out of state though.
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Re: Winners win - that's why we need MVD as coach

Postby Montanan » Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:27 am

if you like Van Diest then some of you will be wetting your pants for Kalen DeBoer from Sioux Falls SD, 52-3 overall record.
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Re: Winners win - that's why we need MVD as coach

Postby Forshizzlegrizzle » Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:32 am

grizrooter wrote:
hardycreek1 wrote:Mick Van Diest at Carroll in Helena knows how to win.

He has WON the national Championship FIVE TIMES!

That should be enough of a resume to be the next HC of the Griz.

He's a Montana coach who loves football and knows how to win.

He's my pick & I hope he is announced as HC later today.


Too many skeletons in the closet. Horrible reputation when he was here under Donovan.


Your going to go back 25 years for dirt?
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Re: Winners win - that's why we need MVD as coach

Postby Silenoz » Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:41 am

How did Chris Hatcher work out at Georgia Southern? Success at one level guarantees nothing at another.
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Re: Winners win - that's why we need MVD as coach

Postby lotsa » Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:42 am

"Can he recruit out of state though."

He has a great reputation with Montana coaches border to border and has been personally recruiting the northwest since starting at Wyoming in the mid seventies. This includes two stints at Wyoming and at Northwestern before coming to Carroll and continuing that. He is NAIA but wouldnt have the success he is having without being able to recruit well above the level, which is a feat in itself. He is one that will seal the deal if he is in the home. Parents and quality hard working athletes love him. Our recruiting would not miss a beat with him and the staff he puts together, which would certainly include key holdovers.
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Re: Winners win - that's why we need MVD as coach

Postby Forshizzlegrizzle » Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:44 am

Silenoz wrote:How did Chris Hatcher work out at Georgia Southern? Success at one level guarantees nothing at another.


How did Jim Tressell work out for Ohio State? We can go back and forth all day.
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Re: Winners win - that's why we need MVD as coach

Postby djollieballs » Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:51 am

With MVD*, I bet we would compete for the NC for the first two years. Then we would self destruct because Montana DOES NOT "recruit itself". Recognizing talent and playing that talent isn't something even Bobby was very good at. MM only had 16 catches as a sophmore for example and was a walk-on. Colt was a walk-on.

Does Caroll even have a single minority on their team? Yeah, the Griz will win a bunch of games with 30% Capital High players... not.

Also, the allegations at Caroll are beyond disturbing. That would would kill the program deader than Brittney Murphy.

MVD* couldn't even get the Cats job over Rob Ash and you guys want him coaching the Griz? Loolz.
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Re: Winners win - that's why we need MVD as coach

Postby deputygrizbro » Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:52 am

I don't know if that's the only reason he should get it, but I do agree that he has probably the MOST impressive resume of any other named candidate.

10 years at Carroll College
117-19 (86%)
9 Consecutive Frontier Conference Championships
Defense was ranked in top-10 2001-2007 (11th in 2000, 11th in 2008, 23rd in 2009)
7-time Frontier Conference Coach of the Year
2-time NAIA Coach of the Year (03, 05)
5 National Championships (02-05, 07)
Appeared in 6 of the last 8 National Championship games
Coached 3 NAIA Players of the Year
Played for Griz in the 70's
Coaching stints at Montana, Wyoming, UMass, and Northwestern
Montana native (Helena) who would probably make the Griz his last coaching stop which means he's not looking to use the Griz job as a stepping stone like all of the younger prospects.

So... what is everyone's opinion? You can't deny his impressive resume, regardless of the level. Just because it's NAIA doesn't mean he can't coach at the next level with the same intelligence and intensity that he has at Carroll for the past 10 years.

Now, I'm not sayi
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Re: Winners win - that's why we need MVD as coach

Postby Silenoz » Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:53 am

Forshizzlegrizzle wrote:
Silenoz wrote:How did Chris Hatcher work out at Georgia Southern? Success at one level guarantees nothing at another.


How did Jim Tressell work out for Ohio State? We can go back and forth all day.

That's why I used the word "guarantee"
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Re: Winners win - that's why we need MVD as coach

Postby deputygrizbro » Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:55 am

DiscoGriz wrote:Can he recruit out of state though.


He pulled some amazing recruits out of CA and the northwest and that was for little 'ol Carroll College!!! Imagine what he could do for the Griz... As someone else said, he won't miss a beat. The Griz name in itself will get his foot in the door and his impressive CHAMPIONSHIP resume will give those kids hope that Hauck never could... Im just saying
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Re: Winners win - that's why we need MVD as coach

Postby Forshizzlegrizzle » Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:56 am

djollieballs wrote:With MVD*, I bet we would compete for the NC for the first two years. Then we would self destruct because Montana DOES NOT "recruit itself". Recognizing talent and playing that talent isn't something even Bobby was very good at. MM only had 16 catches as a sophmore for example and was a walk-on. Colt was a walk-on.

Does Caroll even have a single minority on their team? Yeah, the Griz will win a bunch of games with 30% Capital High players... not.

Also, the allegations at Caroll are beyond disturbing. That would would kill the program deader than Brittney Murphy.

MVD* couldn't even get the Cats job over Rob Ash and you guys want him coaching the Griz? Loolz.



Well you kind of just blew your whole argument out of the water. Montana does recruit itself. Colt and Marc walked on to Montana because of just that. And get your facts strait Mike pulled his name out of the running at MSU he didn't even finish the process. Ash wasn't even MSU's #1 guy. The program of Montana DOES recruit itself at this level of football.
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Re: Winners win - that's why we need MVD as coach

Postby hardycreek1 » Wed Dec 23, 2009 9:59 am

deputygrizbro wrote:117-19 (86%) winning
Appeared in 6 of the last 8 National Championship games

Montana native (East Helena) who would probably make the Griz his last coaching stop which means he's not looking to use the Griz job as a stepping stone like all of the younger prospects.

You can't deny his impressive resume, regardless of the level. Just because it's NAIA doesn't mean he can't coach at the next level with the same intelligence and intensity that he has at Carroll for the past 10 years.


Exactly - he's won the NC five times, he's from Montana, and he probbaly won't leave for another bigger school.
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Re: Winners win - that's why we need MVD as coach

Postby AnacondaKalGriz » Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:05 am

[quote="deputygrizbro"]I don't know if that's the only reason he should get it, but I do agree that he has probably the MOST impressive resume of any other named candidate.


Where has this list of so called candidates come from? The U is completely mum on this situation until UNLV introduced Hauck this afternoon. So these so called "named" candidates are coming from where, all of us so called expert arm chair quarterbacks/coaches??? Give me a break...our instituation has to much pride and tradition at stake to screw this decision up. No matter who "THEY" not us choose will be the right fit for the Griz!
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Re: Winners win - that's why we need MVD as coach

Postby djollieballs » Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:07 am

To the MVD* supporters:

Do you think Caroll would give the Griz a game if they played?

Does MVD* have a single minority on his Caroll team? Has he ever?
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Re: Winners win - that's why we need MVD as coach

Postby djollieballs » Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:09 am

Forshizzlegrizzle wrote:
djollieballs wrote:With MVD*, I bet we would compete for the NC for the first two years. Then we would self destruct because Montana DOES NOT "recruit itself". Recognizing talent and playing that talent isn't something even Bobby was very good at. MM only had 16 catches as a sophmore for example and was a walk-on. Colt was a walk-on.

Does Caroll even have a single minority on their team? Yeah, the Griz will win a bunch of games with 30% Capital High players... not.

Also, the allegations at Caroll are beyond disturbing. That would would kill the program deader than Brittney Murphy.

MVD* couldn't even get the Cats job over Rob Ash and you guys want him coaching the Griz? Loolz.



Well you kind of just blew your whole argument out of the water. Montana does recruit itself. Colt and Marc walked on to Montana because of just that. And get your facts strait Mike pulled his name out of the running at MSU he didn't even finish the process. Ash wasn't even MSU's #1 guy. The program of Montana DOES recruit itself at this level of football.


Do you think Caroll would give the Griz a game if they played each other?
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Re: Winners win - that's why we need MVD as coach

Postby djollieballs » Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:10 am

deputygrizbro wrote:
DiscoGriz wrote:Can he recruit out of state though.


He pulled some amazing recruits out of CA and the northwest and that was for little 'ol Carroll College!!! Imagine what he could do for the Griz... As someone else said, he won't miss a beat. The Griz name in itself will get his foot in the door and his impressive CHAMPIONSHIP resume will give those kids hope that Hauck never could... Im just saying


Let me guess, you went to Caroll?
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Re: Winners win - that's why we need MVD as coach

Postby IHateRobPhenicie » Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:12 am

Saying MVD can't recruit out of Montana is ridiculous. Go look at the roster. He's got players from Idaho, Washington, Oregon, Wyoming, Californa all over the western US. The guy can recruit and can flat out play. The best players in MT will still come and the best transfers and players just below FBS level will come too. MVD can flat out coach.
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Re: Winners win - that's why we need MVD as coach

Postby Grizchew » Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:18 am

djollieballs wrote:With MVD*, I bet we would compete for the NC for the first two years. Then we would self destruct because Montana DOES NOT "recruit itself". Recognizing talent and playing that talent isn't something even Bobby was very good at. MM only had 16 catches as a sophmore for example and was a walk-on. Colt was a walk-on.

Does Caroll even have a single minority on their team? Yeah, the Griz will win a bunch of games with 30% Capital High players... not.

Also, the allegations at Caroll are beyond disturbing. That would would kill the program deader than Brittney Murphy.

MVD* couldn't even get the Cats job over Rob Ash and you guys want him coaching the Griz? Loolz.


1) If you think it was a talent thing you have no understanding of the game. Zilch.

2) Really? You're going to go there? You can always hire Mike Kramer... I heard he's good with minorities. (By the way... yes there are minorities on Carroll's team)

3) He was offered the job at Montana St. After his formal interview he did a reverse interview where the players asked questions of the coach. The first several questions related to how much time they get off on breaks. He turned it down.

4) What allegations are you talking about? I played there. You didn't. I'd refer you to the posts in "My Short List", but I'm assuming you're too ignorant to discover the truth on your own.
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Re: Winners win - that's why we need MVD as coach

Postby Forshizzlegrizzle » Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:19 am

You are talking two completly different levels of talent. Do you think that Villanova would give Texas a game? The game of football does not change. The x's and o's do not change. The ability to motivate and coach young men does not change. So what does your question have to do with anything?
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Re: Winners win - that's why we need MVD as coach

Postby djollieballs » Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:22 am

Forshizzlegrizzle wrote:You are talking two completly different levels of talent. Do you think that Villanova would give Texas a game? The game of football does not change. The x's and o's do not change. The ability to motivate and coach young men does not change. So what does your question have to do with anything?


So you're admitting that MVD* has no idea how to recruit NCAA level talent?
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Re: Winners win - that's why we need MVD as coach

Postby IHateRobPhenicie » Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:25 am

djollieballs wrote:
Forshizzlegrizzle wrote:



Well you kind of just blew your whole argument out of the water. Montana does recruit itself. Colt and Marc walked on to Montana because of just that. And get your facts strait Mike pulled his name out of the running at MSU he didn't even finish the process. Ash wasn't even MSU's #1 guy. The program of Montana DOES recruit itself at this level of football.


Do you think Caroll would give the Griz a game if they played each other?



Would Carroll give the Griz a game? Probably not. But you recruit the players that are fit for your level. Do you think Carroll even serioulsy recruited the likes of Brock Osweiller? Ryan Leaf? Or any slew of other guys that they KNEW were going to a higher level? Its not like MVD is going to fill the roster with NAIA level talent. Anyone who thinks he'll bring in the same size, speed etc. type players he had at Carroll is an idiot.
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