What teams should drop a division?

[GrizMusician]

Let's have some fun with this... In your opinion, what team (any division) should drop a division & why?

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[Paytonlives]

If and when the split comes... division 3 bound teams should be, because of lack of success and low fan support.
SUU
NAU
ISU
NCU

Bubble Teams
PSU
Sac
EWU
Weber
Poly
UC Davis

[Paytonlives]

FBS (simply talking B-Ball and Football)

Idaho
WSU
Utah State
Colorado State
UNLV
Wyoming
San Diego State

[GrizMusician]

If and when the split comes... division 3 bound teams should be, because of lack of success and low fan support.
SUU
NAU
ISU
NCU

Bubble Teams
PSU
Sac
EWU
Weber
Poly
UC Davis

FBS (simply talking B-Ball and Football)

Idaho
WSU
Utah State
Colorado State
UNLV
Wyoming
San Diego State

Add NMSU, FIU, Wake Forest, Kent State, Oregon State, & Northwestern!

I just looked up all time records... & Oregon State has a worse overall W/L record in the Pac-12 than Wazzu...

[Paytonlives]

By record the bottom FBS 21 in Winning %... The main reason for them not to drop down is hisory.

104 Iowa State 498-597-46 .4566
105 UAB 107-128-2 .4557
106 Tulane 493-593-38 .4555
107 New Mexico 452-546-31 .4543
108 Eastern Michigan 436-535-47 .4514
109 UNLV 223-272-4 .4509
110 Idaho 442-558-26 .4435
111 Temple 426-548-53 .4406
112 Florida Atlantic 58-74-0 .4394
113 Kansas State 475-613-41 .4389
114 Northwestern 489-632-44 .4386
115 Rice 437-565-32 .4381
116 Louisiana-Monroe 278-367-8 .4319
117 Buffalo 363-487-28 .4294
118 New Mexico State 422-577-31 .4248
119 Indiana 448-631-44 .4185
120 Texas-El Paso 373-537-28 .4126
121 Wake Forest 420-609-33 .4110
122 Texas-San Antonio 4-6-0 .4000
123 Kent State 316-505-28 .3887
124 Florida International 39-79-0 .3305

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Divi ... ss_records

[Spanky]

Division3:
Northern Colorado
Southern Utah
Eastern Washington
Northern Arizona
Idaho State

Maybe....Weber State

[GrizMusician]

Division3:
Northern Colorado
Southern Utah
Eastern Washington
Northern Arizona
Idaho State

Maybe....Weber State

The more I look at this list... the more I realize that we need stronger opponents.

[Spanky]

....let's face it folks..there are some really bad schools in the Big Sky..

[MTOutsider]

Spanky wrote:
Division3:
Northern Colorado
Southern Utah
Eastern Washington
Northern Arizona
Idaho State

Maybe....Weber State

Eastern Washington won it all in 2010. Kinda early to dismiss them.

[MT Jack]

Is the basis of this strictly football performance? I'm not sure what Grizmusician's intent was but positive that's what Payton is basing this upon. I do understand this is a "football" forum but just wondering.

I can say that based on facilities alone, NAU is in pretty good shape when compared to the rest of the Big Sky other than playing hoops in a sub-par gym. Practice and training facilities @ NAU have seen some major upgrades recently. I will admit that my first choice to watch a college football game is not in a dome but as domes go, the Skydome has improved greatly with last year's renovation and is more aesthetically pleasing and functional than most. The multitude of dome-haters on here can and will continue to state their opinions. But if the Arizona Cardinals continue to say they love training @ NAU's facilities and Flagstaff/NAU gets high rankings in NFL training facility surveys then I'll say that speaks volumes.

NAU's success in soccer and swimming and diving are positive. NAU track and field and cross-country in conference is sort of like your Griz and football. Dominance. Maybe even worthy of moving up to compete in the Pac-12? NAU men's hoops, apart from last year's disaster, has more than held it's own historically. They are consistently competitive in conference. The underachievers have been womens hoops, volleyball and football.

Interesting topic, Grizmusician. How are things in Butte? Sadly, not able to make the trip up this summer.

[jcu27]

Too many to even name them all.

[Paytonlives]

Is the basis of this strictly football performance? I'm not sure what Grizmusician's intent was but positive that's what Payton is basing this upon. I do understand this is a "football" forum but just wondering.

I can say that based on facilities alone, NAU is in pretty good shape when compared to the rest of the Big Sky other than playing hoops in a sub-par gym. Practice and training facilities @ NAU have seen some major upgrades recently. I will admit that my first choice to watch a college football game is not in a dome but as domes go, the Skydome has improved greatly with last year's renovation and is more aesthetically pleasing and functional than most. The multitude of dome-haters on here can and will continue to state their opinions. But if the Arizona Cardinals continue to say they love training @ NAU's facilities and Flagstaff/NAU gets high rankings in NFL training facility surveys then I'll say that speaks volumes.

NAU's success in soccer and swimming and diving are positive. NAU track and field and cross-country in conference is sort of like your Griz and football. Dominance. Maybe even worthy of moving up to compete in the Pac-12? NAU men's hoops, apart from last year's disaster, has more than held it's own historically. They are consistently competitive in conference. The underachievers have been womens hoops, volleyball and football.

Interesting topic, Grizmusician. How are things in Butte? Sadly, not able to make the trip up this summer.

You are right... I was basing my opinion on BBall and Football and general fan support, by no means can I tell you what the NAU Swimming team is like. But the reality is Football is king and BBall is a close second... all the other sports exist because of the two biggies, and that is what will guide the split.

[Grizzlies1982]

This post is mis-titled. It should read, "What conferences should drop a division?"

The answer being everyone except the SEC, Pac 1X, Big X & Big X. Although they might consider leaving in the ACC or Big East just to provide a little more variety for out of conference game schedules.

Each team in the remaining conferences are only fodder for the big dogs to use in attempting to pad their FBS W-L records. Happily (for the dogs) those teams typically comply with the big dogs. So the real question is can you provide a valid reason why the Conference USA's of the world shouldn't drop down a division?

[WyomingGrizFan]

Idaho Vandals: Division II, NAIA...

[NorthwestFresh]

Division3:
Northern Colorado
Southern Utah
Eastern Washington
Northern Arizona
Idaho State

Maybe....Weber State

EWU just won an FCS title and has played the Griz tougher than anybody else in the last 20 years in the Big Sky. Putting them in with NC and SU is laughable.

[Jeffandy]

I have to admit SUU is Behind and needs to catch up facility wise and in other areas, but why do you guys seriously believe the griz shouldn't drop down too??? Do you really believe that the griz are thought of highly on a national level??? What are y'all sipping on up there E&J brandy or mad dog 20/20 year in year out who are the griz beating outside the Big sky??? I'm out

[GrizMusician]

I have to admit SUU is Behind and needs to catch up facility wise and in other areas, but why do you guys seriously believe the griz shouldn't drop down too??? Do you really believe that the griz are thought of highly on a national level??? What are y'all sipping on up there E&J brandy or mad dog 20/20 year in year out who are the griz beating outside the Big sky??? I'm out

I sure hope the other SUU fans aren't assholes like you... I'll assume that you're not the norm & you just have poor manners... especially considering you're still not even an official member of the Big Sky yet.

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[BWahlberg]

year in year out who are the griz beating outside the Big sky??? I'm out

Northen Iowa
Central Arkanas
Western Oregon
Cal Poly
North Dakota
Western State
UC Davis
South Dakota St
Stephen F Austin
App State
Central Washington
Texas State
James Madison
Albany
Fort Lewis
McNeese State
Southern Illinois
Cal Poly
Maine
Hofstra
Northwestern State
New Hampshire
Sam Houston State
Idaho
Furman

Many of them multiple times... and all in the last decade.

How about SUU?

[Jeffandy]

Come on dog !!!! Really!!! You think that's something to brag about??? What are those programs doing and do you think those are Natonal Powers or teams that are talked about???? You a little tipsy there partner?

[GrizMusician]

Come on dog !!!! Really!!! You think that's something to brag about??? What are those programs doing and do you think those are Natonal Powers or teams that are talked about???? You a little tipsy there partner?

*yawn*

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[BWahlberg]

Come on dog !!!! Really!!! You think that's something to brag about??? What are those programs doing and do you think those are Natonal Powers or teams that are talked about???? You a little tipsy there partner?

Well many are powers in the FBS... so yeah. Of that list many went on a year before or a year or two after to win the national title or play in the national title. This list (not in its entirety) consists of practically the "whos who" of FCS powers, with possible exception of just a few teams like Georgia Southern, Youngstown St, Deleware, and maybe a few others.

[Jeffandy]

Come on dog !!!! Really!!! You think that's something to brag about??? What are those programs doing and do you think those are Natonal Powers or teams that are talked about???? You a little tipsy there partner?

*yawn*

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Butte home of the Closet Montana Tech football fan come on out

[Cujo]

Come on dog !!!! Really!!! You think that's something to brag about??? What are those programs doing and do you think those are Natonal Powers or teams that are talked about???? You a little tipsy there partner?

He's from a state with 2 FBS schools, so only victories over FBS squads count in his mind.

[GrizMusician]

Come on dog !!!! Really!!! You think that's something to brag about??? What are those programs doing and do you think those are Natonal Powers or teams that are talked about???? You a little tipsy there partner?

*yawn*

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Butte home of the Closet Montana Tech football fan come on out

Haha... I'm definitely NOT a Tech fan.

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[Jeffandy]

You grizz's are passionate bout your program and gotta give you props!! But I'm calling you out and you got to come correct! Or else!