What teams should drop a division?

[GrizMusician]

But I'm calling you out and you got to come correct! Or else!

Huh?

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[moose/squirrel]

I have to admit SUU is Behind and needs to catch up facility wise and in other areas, but why do you guys seriously believe the griz shouldn't drop down too??? Do you really believe that the griz are thought of highly on a national level??? What are y'all sipping on up there E&J brandy or mad dog 20/20 year in year out who are the griz beating outside the Big sky??? I'm out

I sure hope the other SUU fans aren't assholes like you... I'll assume that you're not the norm & you just have poor manners... especially considering you're still not even an official member of the Big Sky yet.

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[TxGriz]

Interesting that someone would call for the likes of Oregon State and Wazzu to drop a division. I think the only possibility of that happening is if Fox Sports fails to renew the $20 million television contract with the PAC 12 conference as a condition for it. Wazzu just hired a HC for the football program for $2.25 million, up from about $600k for the previous occupant of that position, so don't look for it any time soon.

"Follow the money", to coin a phrase. That will determine the college football landscape of the future.

[WILDCATFAN]

Weber State?

You want a school that has one of the top mid major hoops programs, which has led the Big Sky in attendance for who knows how many years in a row, who averaged close to 7,000 and had a total attendace of 103,893 to drop to division II just because of our low football attendance? which I'll point out out has been rising every year, and BEAT Weber State's basktball average this last year. Weber State football has been competeitive as of late, more so than they have been in a while, and has shown they can play with the likes of Montana beating them more than anyone else in the nation in the last few years.

And saying EWU should move down is just stupid, they have been one of the Big Sky's most competetive football teams for a long time and they just recently won a national championship, not to mention they have been competetive in hoops the last few years as well.

If this is really based on Football and basketball attendance, then teams like Montana State should be forced to move down because they cant even average 3,000 fans in basketball, and Montana can barely average 4,000 and that number is largely thanks to 2 home games against Weber State.

From the looks of most of the posts of this thread, it doesnt matter how good you are at other sports, it's all about football.

[MrTitleist]

From the looks of most of the posts of this thread, it doesnt matter how good you are at other sports, it's all about football.

Does any other sport matter? One of those sports pays the bills, the others do not.

[WILDCATFAN]

From the looks of most of the posts of this thread, it doesnt matter how good you are at other sports, it's all about football.

Does any other sport matter? One of those sports pays the bills, the others do not.

Depends on the school, I wouldnt be suprised if Weber basketball brings in more $ than Weber football

[AllWeatherFan]

Southern Utah (football only)

[BWahlberg]

The only team in the Big Sky that I see "should" drop back to D2 would be UNC however that team even might be turning a corner, they've got a pretty good defense this year...

Weber - decent football facilities, nice press box, improving team, best hoops programs in the Big Sky
NAU - As I recall actually operates on a pretty high athletic budget, hoops is down right now, Walkup Skydome just had a ton of renovations.
Sac - Always improving their facilitie, giant campus
ISU - Long "down" stretch but was once a storied team, Holt Arena is presumably holding this team back
EWU - Making improvements, need more attention to hoops programs, stadium improvements are a good thing
SUU - Facilities need to step it up, Ecceles is nice but awfully small, Bball/Vball indoor arena is actually quite nice

[Brock Landers]

BigSkyBears talking up their linebackers =/= good defense

[BigSkyBears]

The only team in the Big Sky that I see "should" drop back to D2 would be UNC however that team even might be turning a corner, they've got a pretty good defense this year...

Weber - decent football facilities, nice press box, improving team, best hoops programs in the Big Sky
NAU - As I recall actually operates on a pretty high athletic budget, hoops is down right now, Walkup Skydome just had a ton of renovations.
Sac - Always improving their facilitie, giant campus
ISU - Long "down" stretch but was once a storied team, Holt Arena is presumably holding this team back
EWU - Making improvements, need more attention to hoops programs, stadium improvements are a good thing
SUU - Facilities need to step it up, Ecceles is nice but awfully small, Bball/Vball indoor arena is actually quite nice

NAU doesn't have a large budget and their contributions and ticket sales are pretty low. Their contributions are horrible. You can see schools financial data base on the below link. UNC, on average is middle of the pack in terms of ticket sales, contributions and budget.
ttp://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/s ... titialskip

[Spanky]

Big Sky....what pack? Ft. Lewis and Western State. Please clarify.

[kemajic]

You grizz's are passionate bout your program and gotta give you props!! But I'm calling you out and you got to come correct! Or else!

Or else what? More of your unintelligible drivel? There must be a lot of inbreeding going on down there.

[Spanky]

Someone mentioned that Wake Forest should drop down. That probably won't happen as they are interested in competing at a high level, thus, members of the ACC. Over the years, wins haven't been consistent in football, however, in recent years, they have won an ACC championship and played in the Orange Bowl. Wake Forest continues to be very competitive in sports such as golf, tennis and soccer. They have had some strong national teams in basketball, however, currently in a drought. Basketball in the ACC isn't a walk in the park. Wake Forest has high academic standards and has a strong donor base....a wonderful school, indeed.

[kemajic]

Someone mentioned that Wake Forest should drop down. That probably won't happen as they are interested in competing at a high level, thus, members of the ACC. Over the years, wins haven't been consistent in football, however, in recent years, they have won an ACC championship and played in the Orange Bowl. Wake Forest continues to be very competitive in sports such as golf, tennis and soccer. They have had some strong national teams in basketball, however, currently in a drought. Basketball in the ACC isn't a walk in the park. Wake Forest has high academic standards and has a strong donor base....a wonderful school, indeed.

Sort of like SUU, right?

[Spanky]

Yeah, right....

[Grizzoola]

Ok, I know where GrizMusician is coming from in asking this question. He wants teams in the BSC to drop down & clear out the conference, then the FBS teams he thinks should drop down will come to the BSC. Then, the Griz can stay where they are, have better competition, w/o the need to spend the money to move to the FBS. Far fetched? No more than GM's scenario.

[mark dyba]

Sac on the bubble to drop down a division? Are you kidding?
Last season they beat the mighty Griz, and the season before lost by two points in a great game. The season before that, they lost by 10 to the Griz, who had to use a trick play at the end to win it.
Last season we lost to EW by two with the ball on EW 6 yard line when time run out. The season before EU beat us on the last play of the game. In 2010 we lost to MSU in overtime. Last years game was close.
Last year we beat Oregon State.
Attendance wise, we are usually second or third in the BS.
miles city

[ewueagle2010]

The fact that some people actually think EWU should drop down just proves how ignorant many Griz fans really are...wow!!!

Since 2005: 4 major award winners; 4 playoff appearances; 1 National Title

Special Notes: 1.) Played Montana tougher than any other school in the conference in the last 10 years 2.) 25-10 overall record against Montana State 3.) Overall home attd. increasing every single year...

Seriously people. C'mon!

[Spanky]

and what is that attendance?

[Spanky]

Mark....playing close games doesn't really count too much. Only wins count as wins..at least that is the way its always been.

[BigSkyBears]

Big Sky....what pack? Ft. Lewis and Western State. Please clarify.

I know you're being facetious, but it's childish and getting old. Just look at the data from the USA Today link and it shows us doing better in ticket sales and contributions than several Big Sky schools. Both tix sales and contributions have progressed nicely every year since moving up. Our teams (besides football) have done pretty well. Why would UNC move down to D2?

[Spanky]

Because you should move down. Actually, Big Sky, I hope your school comes around and is competitive. I have a problem with UM being in the Big Sky Conference as I've posted on this board many times. I realize, however, that we will be in the Big Sky for a long, long time. Good luck to Northern Colorado this coming season in all sports.

[kemajic]

Why would UNC move down to D2?

Good point. 9-58 since joining the BSC solidifies your position.

[kemajic]

If this is really based on Football and basketball attendance, then teams like Montana State should be forced to move down because they cant even average 3,000 fans in basketball, and Montana can barely average 4,000 and that number is largely thanks to 2 home games against Weber State.

How many of those two did Bball power Weber win?

Follow up your argument with data for combined average FB and BB attendance for MSU, UM and Weber, please.

[MaximumGriz2013]

If this is really based on Football and basketball attendance, then teams like Montana State should be forced to move down because they cant even average 3,000 fans in basketball, and Montana can barely average 4,000 and that number is largely thanks to 2 home games against Weber State.

How many of those two did Bball power Weber win?

Follow up your argument with data for combined average FB and BB attendance for MSU, UM and Weber, please.

So wait, he needs to provide data to prove this to you, but Griz fans are allowed to dismiss his team because they feel like it? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense...