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Re: JJ Trial

Postby BDizzle » Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:50 pm

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Re: JJ Trial

Postby griz4life » Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:52 pm

It would be good if every now and then the reporters tweeting the trial would indicate who was asking the questions.
The descriptions of the foreplay are very bland and detached from the, as Doe put it, "incident."
The witness repeatedly says she was saying "no" all along and made no indication to Johnson that she wanted to have intercourse.
She made no indication when she picked him up an hour before midnight, no indication when taking him into her bedroom and shutting the door, no indication as they made out in "heated" foreplay, dry humped each other with their shirts off as she laid on top of him. No mixed signals there.

If Doe was your daughter and she came home and told you her description of the incident without revealing the outcome, at what point would you conclude that the story would end with sexual intercourse?
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Re: JJ Trial

Postby EverettGriz » Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:53 pm

For people who claim to have no vested interest in this case (which we all knew was effin laughable to begin with!!) there sure are a hell of a lot of cat fans watching every freakin tweet of this case, and then posting here with an obvious bias on their meaning and impact.


just sayin...

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Re: JJ Trial

Postby wbtfg » Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:56 pm

Im totally interested....what montana college football fan isnt? I think ive remained pretty neutral, however. U disagree?,
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Re: JJ Trial

Postby BDizzle » Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:57 pm

I think the clothing items actually help JJ. So she was wearing leggings the night of the alleged assault. He allegedly rips them off of her. Yet she still wears them and washes them a year after this allegedly happened? Why wouldn't she either turn them over to police ASAP or throw them away and burn them?!
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Re: JJ Trial

Postby Jerry Punch » Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:01 pm

EverettGriz wrote:For people who claim to have no vested interest in this case (which we all knew was effin laughable to begin with!!) there sure are a hell of a lot of cat fans watching every freakin tweet of this case, and then posting here with an obvious bias on their meaning and impact.


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Wrong again. I've said this before so I'll say it again. I don't want to see JJ on the field for selfish reason in that the last time he played the Cats he shredded them. That's doesn't mean I want him in prison in the alternative. Jesus Christ, man. It's that simple. I want JJ to get justice. If that means getting acquitted or getting in the slammer, so be it. Of course I have a bias. Would you have none if DeNarius McGhee was on trial for the same thing? Or are Griz fans just that much better?
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Re: JJ Trial

Postby BWahlberg » Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:01 pm

Strikes me as an odd thing as well BDizzle.
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Re: JJ Trial

Postby wbtfg » Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:02 pm

BWahlberg wrote:Strikes me as an odd thing as well BDizzle.


Agreed...thought cross examination had started.
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Re: JJ Trial

Postby GRZFTBL » Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:05 pm

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Doe reveals she reads comments about her including those made on http://egriz.com . #JohnsonTrial
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Re: JJ Trial

Postby BDizzle » Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:06 pm

GRZFTBL wrote:Montana Kaimin ‏@KaiminNews
Doe reveals she reads comments about her including those made on http://egriz.com . #JohnsonTrial
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Hmm I wonder if she has a screen name?
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Re: JJ Trial

Postby NorthEndZoneDan » Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:08 pm

GRZFTBL wrote:Montana Kaimin ‏@KaiminNews
Doe reveals she reads comments about her including those made on http://egriz.com . #JohnsonTrial
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damn grzftbl you are fast
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Re: JJ Trial

Postby GRZFTBL » Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:08 pm

BDizzle wrote:
GRZFTBL wrote:Montana Kaimin ‏@KaiminNews
Doe reveals she reads comments about her including those made on http://egriz.com . #JohnsonTrial
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:shock:


Hmm I wonder if she has a screen name?


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Re: JJ Trial

Postby GRZFTBL » Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:08 pm

NorthEndZoneDan wrote:
GRZFTBL wrote:Montana Kaimin ‏@KaiminNews
Doe reveals she reads comments about her including those made on http://egriz.com . #JohnsonTrial
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damn grzftbl you are fast


Wife says the same thing... :roll:
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Re: JJ Trial

Postby grizatwork » Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:09 pm

griz4life wrote:It would be good if every now and then the reporters tweeting the trial would indicate who was asking the questions.
The descriptions of the foreplay are very bland and detached from the, as Doe put it, "incident."
The witness repeatedly says she was saying "no" all along and made no indication to Johnson that she wanted to have intercourse.
She made no indication when she picked him up an hour before midnight, no indication when taking him into her bedroom and shutting the door, no indication as they made out in "heated" foreplay, dry humped each other with their shirts off as she laid on top of him. No mixed signals there.

If Doe was your daughter and she came home and told you her description of the incident without revealing the outcome, at what point would you conclude that the story would end with sexual intercourse?


I have a daughter and a son, and can see things from both sides. I have said before that this is just a crappy situation all around. I was explaining this case to my fiance. She also has a son and 2 daughters. She is not a football fan and is from out of state, so she is about as an impartial, disinterested party as you can get. Legally, we all know it is either guilty or not guilty. She states that just from the initial testimony, that the girl has to accept some sort of responsibility. She told me that if her daughters came to her and told her this story, she would tell them that it sounds to me like you wanted to have sex. She said she would not let her daughter go to the police. This is her perspective, not mine. She stated that it sounds like they both have some sort of blame in this. Not the way our justice system works, but interesting perspective from what I consider an neutral outsider. I know that I would not want to be on the jury and I sure as hell would not want either my son or daughter in this situation. What a bad deal all around.
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Re: JJ Trial

Postby BDizzle » Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:10 pm

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GRZFTBL wrote:Montana Kaimin ‏@KaiminNews
Doe reveals she reads comments about her including those made on http://egriz.com . #JohnsonTrial
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Hmm I wonder if she has a screen name?


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Re: JJ Trial

Postby grizfnz » Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:13 pm

BDizzle wrote:
GRZFTBL wrote:Montana Kaimin ‏@KaiminNews
Doe reveals she reads comments about her including those made on http://egriz.com . #JohnsonTrial
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:shock:


Hmm I wonder if she has a screen name?

JaneDoe perhaps??

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Re: JJ Trial

Postby GRZFTBL » Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:14 pm

Paoli starts cross-examination. This will get ugly.
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Re: JJ Trial

Postby Jerry Punch » Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:20 pm

GRZFTBL wrote:Paoli starts cross-examination. This will get ugly.


I hope it does not, for everyone's sake. It's a delicate balance between calling out the inconsistencies and looking like an asshole. And as sure as the day is dark in Missoula, Paoli will do if he gets that aggressive.
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Re: JJ Trial

Postby grizpack » Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:28 pm

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Blgs Griz Fan wrote:It's the prosecutions duty to paint JJ as guilty beyond a reasonable doubt and that is what they are rtrying to do with this testimony. Having sat in on a sexual molestation case I can remember listening to the prosecution and their arguments and looking at the defenedent thinking what a dirty low life sob he was. Then the defense came forward and I listened to that argument and realized it may be entirely different. The end result of that trial was 11 innocent and 1 guilty, hung jury.


If the prosecution isn't "winning" at this point in the trial, they are REALLY bad. They are trying to hit their home run with the first witness.

The defense will pick her story to pieces. I bet we are going to hear that she has several versions of the story. ;)


Nice smug face. I hope you feel good about yourself, lady.

However they pick it apart, they ought to be extremely careful in doing it. This isn't a cross examination where you get up and rip the alleged victim to pieces. If it is Paoli doing it, he will look like an asshole to the only people who matter -the jury. I hope it is Pabst, who can calmly and dispassoniately challenge her version of the events.


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You may not like Paoli, but he is very good at what he does. And Kirsten Pabst is just as good. Her prosecution rate was very high. I guess we will just have to wait and see.
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Re: JJ Trial

Postby Silvertip » Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:29 pm

Whatever your take and whomever you eventually pull for regarding the goings on at the Missoula County Courthouse chances are you're feeling about now like you need another shower...there will be no winners just two young people having had their lives chewed up in justices' gristmill. You don't need to take a side to see that... :|
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Re: JJ Trial

Postby GRZFTBL » Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:30 pm

I can confirm grizpack is a man.

Carry on. :coffee:
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Re: JJ Trial

Postby GRZFTBL » Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:32 pm

Silvertip wrote:Whatever your take and whomever you eventually pull for regarding the goings on at the Missoula County Courthouse chances are you're feeling about now like you need another shower...there will be no winners just two young people having had their lives chewed up in justices' gristmill. You don't need to take a side to see that... :|


Agreed, bad deal. Nothing good will come of this.
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Re: JJ Trial

Postby GrizPony » Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:35 pm

GRZFTBL wrote:Paoli starts cross-examination. This will get ugly.


It is already ugly. ;)
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Re: JJ Trial

Postby Grizbacker1 » Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:35 pm

Jerry Punch wrote:
EverettGriz wrote:For people who claim to have no vested interest in this case (which we all knew was effin laughable to begin with!!) there sure are a hell of a lot of cat fans watching every freakin tweet of this case, and then posting here with an obvious bias on their meaning and impact.


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Wrong again. I've said this before so I'll say it again. I don't want to see JJ on the field for selfish reason in that the last time he played the Cats he shredded them. That's doesn't mean I want him in prison in the alternative. Jesus Christ, man. It's that simple. I want JJ to get justice. If that means getting acquitted or getting in the slammer, so be it. Of course I have a bias. Would you have none if DeNarius McGhee was on trial for the same thing? Or are Griz fans just that much better?


YOu are major league F'd up if you think people would want to see McGhee convicted for something he didn't do just so he isn't on the playing field. Are you F ing serious? YOu need some serious freaking help. JJ is on trial for his freaking life. Do you think he wouldn't have cut a deal if he was guilty? Come one man, leave the rivalry out of this, no wonder people think the world is F'd up when they see people like you.
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Re: JJ Trial

Postby GRZFTBL » Wed Feb 13, 2013 2:36 pm

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Emily Adamson NBC MT ‏@EmilyNBCMT
Woman agrees the dream was about Trumaine Johnson. #JohnsonTrial
Followed by Ashley Nerbovig and 4 others

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Paoli: The dream was they hit you in the head, put you in van, then you woke up. #johnsontrial She agreed.
Followed by Fwen Glorio and 1 other

1m missoulian ‏@missoulian
Paoli: It was about Trumaine Johnson, whom she knew. #johnsontrial She agreed.
Followed by Fwen Glorio and 1 other

2m missoulian ‏@missoulian
Paoli: Dream was about a Grizzly football player raping her. She agrees. #johnsontrial
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