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MEAC gives up auto bid
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ALPHAGRIZ1
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So true
mtgrizfankb
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seems a little racist doesn't it. A celebration game for the national champion of black football? really. Why do we need to divide historical black universities from diverse universities? Maybe they should have a NCAA black basketball tournament. Nothing like exploiting racial history for money!
Potomac Griz
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You guys do realize that the historically black college have quite a few students who aren't black right? Historically black doesn't mean "black only."
It's a conference that rarely, if ever, does anything in the FCS playoffs deciding that the bowl game between the two conference would make more sense. Not much more to it. Both conference had a rivalry before so now it's being rekindled in that bowl game.
Also the SWAC conference championship game last year outdrew every FCS playoff by almost double, and many by much much more than that. It drew 38,969. So a game between the MEAC and SWAC makes much more sense financially than traveling to play in front of 4000 people at Richmond and getting stomped.
Just thought I'd toss that out there.
It's a conference that rarely, if ever, does anything in the FCS playoffs deciding that the bowl game between the two conference would make more sense. Not much more to it. Both conference had a rivalry before so now it's being rekindled in that bowl game.
Also the SWAC conference championship game last year outdrew every FCS playoff by almost double, and many by much much more than that. It drew 38,969. So a game between the MEAC and SWAC makes much more sense financially than traveling to play in front of 4000 people at Richmond and getting stomped.
Just thought I'd toss that out there.
GRIZFAN20 said:
There may also be a financial preservation situation here. I think some of these schools are struggling to pay for athletics in general and a playoff run may be unmanagable for many of them. So with this agreement they can still participate in something that makes it managable from the financial side and an incentive for the teams, without just throwing in the towel @ some point.
Grisly Fan
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You aren't suggesting racist policies are OK if they serve an economic purpose? Nope, didn't think so because there were a large group of people who thought that way a couple of hundred years ago and when the war was lost that idea died completely. Right?bgbigdog said:
Grisly Fan said:
Racism in any context is wrong. If you read the article, this is about money. They can spin it in whatever way they choose, and whether they chose the right words in this case can be debated. UM is facing issues right now around shrinking revenues that may have an impact on decisions made about athletics. Fact of life in many places.
Grisly Fan
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As you might guess I wasn't actually criticizing your statements. The irony of a racial double-standard gets really thick because money makes it acceptable. Imagine a conference consisting of "historically white colleges" playing each other to generate more revenue?bgbigdog said:
I fail to see any racism here. Two conferences decided that rather than participate in the playoffs, they would rather create a bowl game between their champions. It would be similar to the Big Sky and MWFC deciding to no longer participate in the playoffs, and schedule a bowl game instead.
HBCU's have always had a championship game that's nationally televised. They get a weekly game on ESPN, a nationally televised season opener and a better payout for all of the above than anyone else in FCS. Seems like it's working out for them.
Historically black colleges are different. It took a congressional act to create them at a time in U.S. history when higher learning simply didn't exist for nearly all African Americans and 150 years later they're still pretty unique. Black students still were denied admission at colleges in the south 50 years ago. And when they were admitted, it wasn't like all was forgotten. Alabama segregationists didn't warm to recruiting black players to the Crimson tide until after USC humiliated Alabama in 1970. So yeah, HBCUs have a special place in history of the U.S.
Historically black colleges are different. It took a congressional act to create them at a time in U.S. history when higher learning simply didn't exist for nearly all African Americans and 150 years later they're still pretty unique. Black students still were denied admission at colleges in the south 50 years ago. And when they were admitted, it wasn't like all was forgotten. Alabama segregationists didn't warm to recruiting black players to the Crimson tide until after USC humiliated Alabama in 1970. So yeah, HBCUs have a special place in history of the U.S.
Potomac Griz
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Grisly Fan said:
You mean like every other college was basically? FFS man, look at the years the Historically Black Colleges were created. Even almost all of the newest ones were created when Jim Crow laws were still all over the place in the south.
Besides, as I said earlier the Historically Black Colleges don't exclude people who aren't black. Some of them aren't even majority black. I'll never understand why people seem to think just because it's a Historically black college it means it's black only.
Here is a photo of West Virginia State's volleyball team to drive home my point that these schools are not excluding anyone. West Virginia State is a Historically Black College.
This whole argument that somehow a couple minor conferences that can't compete in the FCS playoffs playing in a bowl instead is racist is ridiculous.
BadlandsGrizFan
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Hopefully this is the beginning of a new month...National Black football, black schools, favorite black vacation spots, and black people meet.com history month.
Potomac Griz said:Grisly Fan said:
You mean like every other college was basically? FFS man, look at the years the Historically Black Colleges were created. Even almost all of the newest ones were created when Jim Crow laws were still all over the place in the south.
Besides, as I said earlier the Historically Black Colleges don't exclude people who aren't black. Some of them aren't even majority black. I'll never understand why people seem to think just because it's a Historically black college it means it's black only.
Here is a photo of West Virginia State's volleyball team to drive home my point that these schools are not excluding anyone. West Virginia State is a Historically Black College.
This whole argument that somehow a couple minor conferences that can't compete in the FCS playoffs playing in a bowl instead is racist is ridiculous.
Actually that is not entirely correct. You can't tell me that playing to the demographic is not what is the driving force behind offering the game...HBCU's, yes, while not 100% black today play to the demographic. Why does the SWAC game get on TV? Not because Grambling or Southern play a great brand of football...it is because of the demographic. Racist may be a strong word but it is driven BY RACE.....
NewPapaBear
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Have you seen the movie 42? Branch Rickey broke the color line in baseball because he recognized the economic power of the black dollar during the height of Jim Crow...
Heres my two cents worth 1) money NEVER makes racism acceptable & 2) you dont have to imagine historically white colleges...been on a campus lately? or anytime over the past 20-30 years??
Missoula is no different than Austin or Corvallis or Syracuse or Tempe.
Fact of the matter is nearly every institution of higher learning is historically white. I am inclusionary by nature not a separatist...the ethic components serve as a conscious decision & was actually designed to be a distraction.
Good Ol' American Greed is as ugly as the south-end of a north bound moose whenever & wherever it springs up from!
Heres my two cents worth 1) money NEVER makes racism acceptable & 2) you dont have to imagine historically white colleges...been on a campus lately? or anytime over the past 20-30 years??
Missoula is no different than Austin or Corvallis or Syracuse or Tempe.
Fact of the matter is nearly every institution of higher learning is historically white. I am inclusionary by nature not a separatist...the ethic components serve as a conscious decision & was actually designed to be a distraction.
Good Ol' American Greed is as ugly as the south-end of a north bound moose whenever & wherever it springs up from!
