It took 83 pages, (at least on my IPad mini) for egriz posters to make their first appearance. It's actually not entirely unfair up to this point (through part 1). It does take some liberties with unsupported "facts" but it could be a lot worse. It still may get to that point as its all about the Donaldson case so far for the most part and there isn't much that people argue over regarding that one.
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The Book
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IroneagleXP
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Citing eGriz.. this is hard hitting journalism, folks!
Jerry Punch
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Without having read this particular book, I am reluctant to expect that it will shine credible light on the Jordan johnson acquittal. I write this because Krakauer has falsely and baselessly glorified others who didn't deserve the praise or condemnation, whatever the particular case may have been.
In my opinion, the Jordan Johnson stuff is the least controversial part of this discussion. He was acquitted by a jury of his peers, and that process alone should be enough to believe in his innocence. That being said, there was a significant amount of vitriol targeted at the alleged victim, much of it coming from this forum. I don't put all egrizzers in this category but we all know many who went above and beyond the legal process to take down this young woman.
I see Jordan Johnson's acquittal and the unmitigated criticism of the alleged victim as being separate and distinct issues, only one of which deserves our attention.
In my opinion, the Jordan Johnson stuff is the least controversial part of this discussion. He was acquitted by a jury of his peers, and that process alone should be enough to believe in his innocence. That being said, there was a significant amount of vitriol targeted at the alleged victim, much of it coming from this forum. I don't put all egrizzers in this category but we all know many who went above and beyond the legal process to take down this young woman.
I see Jordan Johnson's acquittal and the unmitigated criticism of the alleged victim as being separate and distinct issues, only one of which deserves our attention.
UMGriz75
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The "young woman" took herself "down." Unfortunately, the record is well-developed of what she wanted, and that she had a vindictive and vengeful nature when she didn't get what she wanted. The record is well-developed of her efforts to synthesize a cadre of sympathetic "key witnesses" by crying uncontrollably in their presence, and then texting gleefully to friends about how her plans were coming together ("this will hit JJ like a ton of bricks!Jerry Punch said:
" ).For those who did not respond with unqualified support, she reserved nothing but dire, cruel and vindictive threats. That included her closest family members. This was not a good case to generate sympathy for genuine victims. Indeed, the behaviors of the "young woman" confirmed many of the worst stereotypes of the kind of people who will falsely claim "rape" as punishment for unfulfilled social desires, and by taking it to trial, those stereotypes were reinforced in the public mind, as were notions that "victims" are often the "perpetrators." That is the damage that these kinds of cases do to genuine victims. That does deserve "our attention."
Jerry Punch
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UMGriz75 said:The "young woman" took herself "down." Unfortunately, the record is well-developed of what she wanted, and that she had a vindictive and vengeful nature when she didn't get what she wanted. The record is well-developed of her efforts to synthesize a cadre of sympathetic supporters, by crying uncontrollably in their presence, and then texting gleefully to friends about how her plans were coming together ("this will hit JJ like a ton of bricks!Jerry Punch said:
For those who did not respond with unqualified support, she reserved nothing but dire, cruel and vindictive threats. That included her closest family members. This was not a good case to generate sympathy for genuine victims. Indeed, the behaviors of the "young woman" confirmed many of the worst stereotypes of the kind of people who will falsely claim "rape" and by taking it to trial, those stereotypes were reinforced in the public mind, as were notions that "victims" are often the "perpetrators." That is the damage that these kinds of cases do to genuine victims. That does deserve "our attention."
First, victims don't choose whether or not to take a case to trial. The former County Attorney, who was criticized by many as being too lax on victim crimes, made that decision.
Second, what you describe about the victim deserving dire, cruel, and vindictive threats illustrates why it is a felony offense in this state to intimidate, and or tamper with, a victim. The anonymity this board provides allows man to make such statements they would be otherwise unlikely to make should they have the chance to put their real name on it.
You were on a roll for a few days, but...UMGriz75 said:The "young woman" took herself "down." Unfortunately, the record is well-developed of what she wanted, and that she had a vindictive and vengeful nature when she didn't get what she wanted. The record is well-developed of her efforts to synthesize a cadre of sympathetic "key witnesses" by crying uncontrollably in their presence, and then texting gleefully to friends about how her plans were coming together ("this will hit JJ like a ton of bricks!Jerry Punch said:
For those who did not respond with unqualified support, she reserved nothing but dire, cruel and vindictive threats. That included her closest family members. This was not a good case to generate sympathy for genuine victims. Indeed, the behaviors of the "young woman" confirmed many of the worst stereotypes of the kind of people who will falsely claim "rape" as punishment for unfulfilled social desires, and by taking it to trial, those stereotypes were reinforced in the public mind, as were notions that "victims" are often the "perpetrators." That is the damage that these kinds of cases do to genuine victims. That does deserve "our attention."
If you want someone that is claiming they were wronged to look bad I don't think showing how they were vindictive does much. Almost everyone is vindictive toward those that wronged them and anyone trying to get in their way of bringing them to justice.
If you were claiming to have been assaulted and you knew who did it, but your dad said he didn't think you should press charges wouldn't you be pissed at your dad?
horribilisfan8184
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Jerry Punch said:UMGriz75 said:The "young woman" took herself "down." Unfortunately, the record is well-developed of what she wanted, and that she had a vindictive and vengeful nature when she didn't get what she wanted. The record is well-developed of her efforts to synthesize a cadre of sympathetic supporters, by crying uncontrollably in their presence, and then texting gleefully to friends about how her plans were coming together ("this will hit JJ like a ton of bricks!Jerry Punch said:
For those who did not respond with unqualified support, she reserved nothing but dire, cruel and vindictive threats. That included her closest family members. This was not a good case to generate sympathy for genuine victims. Indeed, the behaviors of the "young woman" confirmed many of the worst stereotypes of the kind of people who will falsely claim "rape" and by taking it to trial, those stereotypes were reinforced in the public mind, as were notions that "victims" are often the "perpetrators." That is the damage that these kinds of cases do to genuine victims. That does deserve "our attention."
First, victims don't choose whether or not to take a case to trial. The former County Attorney, who was criticized by many as being too lax on victim crimes, made that decision.
Second, what you describe about the victim deserving dire, cruel, and vindictive threats illustrates why it is a felony offense in this state to intimidate, and or tamper with, a victim. The anonymity this board provides allows man to make such statements they would be otherwise unlikely to make should they have the chance to put their real name on it.
He said "reserved" not "deserved"
horribilisfan8184
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getgrizzy said:You were on a roll for a few days, but...UMGriz75 said:The "young woman" took herself "down." Unfortunately, the record is well-developed of what she wanted, and that she had a vindictive and vengeful nature when she didn't get what she wanted. The record is well-developed of her efforts to synthesize a cadre of sympathetic "key witnesses" by crying uncontrollably in their presence, and then texting gleefully to friends about how her plans were coming together ("this will hit JJ like a ton of bricks!Jerry Punch said:
For those who did not respond with unqualified support, she reserved nothing but dire, cruel and vindictive threats. That included her closest family members. This was not a good case to generate sympathy for genuine victims. Indeed, the behaviors of the "young woman" confirmed many of the worst stereotypes of the kind of people who will falsely claim "rape" as punishment for unfulfilled social desires, and by taking it to trial, those stereotypes were reinforced in the public mind, as were notions that "victims" are often the "perpetrators." That is the damage that these kinds of cases do to genuine victims. That does deserve "our attention."
If you want someone that is claiming they were wronged to look bad I don't think showing how they were vindictive does much. Almost everyone is vindictive toward those that wronged them and anyone trying to get in their way of bringing them to justice.
If you were claiming to have been assaulted and you knew who did it, but your dad said he didn't think you should press charges wouldn't you be pissed at your dad?
The trial revealed she was not the victim of anything, at least not a victim of sexual assault. When men are falsely accused of these crimes, they are the victims; and in this case, of female vindictiveness from the accuser and her posse.
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For the memorabilia collectors, I am setting up some book signing events. I did reach out to PR hoping to make it a twofer, but he could not work the tour into his calendar as stalking Griz coaches, players, and athletic department members is a full time job.
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You would want to show that she was this way before she made this claim. Not about the claim. Again people who feel they were wronged or even if they're making it up are going to act vengeful. How else would you act?horribilisfan8184 said:getgrizzy said:You were on a roll for a few days, but...UMGriz75 said:The "young woman" took herself "down." Unfortunately, the record is well-developed of what she wanted, and that she had a vindictive and vengeful nature when she didn't get what she wanted. The record is well-developed of her efforts to synthesize a cadre of sympathetic "key witnesses" by crying uncontrollably in their presence, and then texting gleefully to friends about how her plans were coming together ("this will hit JJ like a ton of bricks!Jerry Punch said:
For those who did not respond with unqualified support, she reserved nothing but dire, cruel and vindictive threats. That included her closest family members. This was not a good case to generate sympathy for genuine victims. Indeed, the behaviors of the "young woman" confirmed many of the worst stereotypes of the kind of people who will falsely claim "rape" as punishment for unfulfilled social desires, and by taking it to trial, those stereotypes were reinforced in the public mind, as were notions that "victims" are often the "perpetrators." That is the damage that these kinds of cases do to genuine victims. That does deserve "our attention."
If you want someone that is claiming they were wronged to look bad I don't think showing how they were vindictive does much. Almost everyone is vindictive toward those that wronged them and anyone trying to get in their way of bringing them to justice.
If you were claiming to have been assaulted and you knew who did it, but your dad said he didn't think you should press charges wouldn't you be pissed at your dad?
The trial revealed she was not the victim of anything, at least not a victim of sexual assault. When men are falsely accused of these crimes, they are the victims; and in this case, of female vindictiveness from the accuser and her posse.
UMGriz75
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They have to file a complaint. The County Attorney doesn't just send out invitations.Jerry Punch said:
The comment makes no sense. In this case, the "victim" was the perpetrator of dire, cruel, and vindictive threats against anyone that refused to believe her "story," notably her family members that knew her the best. Wouldn't they, of all people, be the best judges of her credibility? Ever wonder why they disbelieved her?Jerry Punch said:
Was she attempting to intimidate potential witnesses? Now, that would be the actual felony.
Nobody threatened her. She did all the threatening. She would wreck her family relationships and she would wreck JJ's football career, and she was vocal about both. She was "happy" to see Pflu and Jim O'Day fired, because this was about the Quarterback, not about her personal life which they certainly had nothing to do with. This was about taking down and publicly humiliating as many people as possible. This was a "vengeance" quest, not a "justice" quest.
UMGriz75
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She showed up at the Forester's Ball the evening before, three sheets, unescorted, and headed straight for JJ and his girlfriend visiting from Oregon, where she announced, "Jordy, I'd do you anytime." She demanded a dance, then drug him publicly to the "Marriage Booth" line where he finally backed away and she was left "standing." In public. Rejected by the Star Quarterback. It was all quite public on her part, and "apparently" there was a motive.getgrizzy said:
Vengeful? Did you use the word "vengeful?"
You would act that way? She was wronged?