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The Cuts Just Keep on Coming

UMGriz75

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The College of Humanities and Sciences at the University of Montana is facing cuts that will amount to “several million dollars” from its 2017 fiscal year budget, according to Dean Chris Comer.

After making reductions last year, the dean anticipated further requests to trim, but the college received reduction requests earlier this month that “frankly are on the high side, scary high,” he said Wednesday.

Although Comer said the final dollar figure isn’t clear, the reduction for the college could amount to an estimated 50 percent in a department’s operational costs – or a 30 percent decline in its instructional dollars.

"It's several million dollars, and that's not a trivial cut to absorb in one year," he said.
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http://missoulian.com/news/local/um-cuts-for-higher-than-expected-for-college-of-humanities/article_acccc97a-f47b-5e73-8bbe-8306b4902c6e.html#utm_source=missoulian.com&utm_campaign=/email-updates/daily-headlines/&utm_medium=email
 
griznative24 said:
LOL when will it stop?! No, seriously, when is this going to stop.
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It isn't going to stop and the problem is not exclusive to the U of M. Higher education is in trouble and frankly, it is downright unaffordable for many kids and families these days.
 
Copper Griz said:
griznative24 said:
LOL when will it stop?! No, seriously, when is this going to stop.
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It isn't going to stop and the problem is not exclusive to the U of M. Higher education is in trouble and frankly, it is downright unaffordable for many kids and families these days.
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Agreed, but capable leadership would certainly lessen the blow and this is definitely something we are not getting. Royce is in so far over his head that it'd be laughable if it weren't so sad and pathetic.
 
I don't think any cut down about courts, or past articles about MSU, is going to help this college,
It may make you feel better about UM?
You should post something, to make you feel better :thumb:
 
Copper Griz said:
griznative24 said:
LOL when will it stop?! No, seriously, when is this going to stop.
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It isn't going to stop and the problem is not exclusive to the U of M. Higher education is in trouble and frankly, it is downright unaffordable for many kids and families these days.
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Spot on IMO. America as a whole is being left in the dust, education wise with the rest of the world. It's hard for our kids to compete with foreigners who get an education for free, while our kids are saddled with debt or just simply can't afford it. In Seattle/Portland area, there are lots of high paying tech jobs, but the vast majority of these positions are filled by people from other countries. We seem to be a country that hate social programs and blames all our problems on them instead of the true culprit. There's is just not enough to go around for everyone, especially when the extremely weathly are hording money at record rates.
 
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2014/05/15/new-data-show-slowing-national-enrollment-decline
 
SeattleBobcat said:
Copper Griz said:
griznative24 said:
LOL when will it stop?! No, seriously, when is this going to stop.
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It isn't going to stop and the problem is not exclusive to the U of M. Higher education is in trouble and frankly, it is downright unaffordable for many kids and families these days.
Click to expand...
Spot on IMO. America as a whole is being left in the dust, education wise with the rest of the world. It's hard for our kids to compete with foreigners who get an education for free, while our kids are saddled with debt or just simply can't afford it. In Seattle/Portland area, there are lots of high paying tech jobs, but the vast majority of these positions are filled by people from other countries. We seem to be a country that hate social programs and blames all our problems on them instead of the true culprit. There's is just not enough to go around for everyone, especially when the extremely weathly are hording money at record rates.
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How are social programs the solution to anything? We have created a nanny state where too many sit on their butts waiting for their handouts. Foreign students have the guts to travel far from home to get educated. Americans would never do that. (I am not defending free education for anyone by the way because if you don't earn it you won't appreciate it). Our big problem is that only 49% pay taxes and most of the rest just consume space and suck up resources.
 
SeattleBobcat said:
In Seattle/Portland area, there are lots of high paying tech jobs, but the vast majority of these positions are filled by people from other countries. We seem to be a country that hate social programs and blames all our problems on them instead of the true culprit. There's is just not enough to go around for everyone, especially when the extremely weathly are hording money at record rates.
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:?: :?: :shock: :shock: :?: :?:
What?
the extremely weathly are hording money
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Damn those wethly people anyway !!!! :roll: :roll: :roll:
 
gotgame75 said:
Copper Griz said:
griznative24 said:
LOL when will it stop?! No, seriously, when is this going to stop.
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It isn't going to stop and the problem is not exclusive to the U of M. Higher education is in trouble and frankly, it is downright unaffordable for many kids and families these days.
Click to expand...

Agreed, but capable leadership would certainly lessen the blow and this is definitely something we are not getting. Royce is in so far over his head that it'd be laughable if it weren't so sad and pathetic.
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Just a quick google search, here's the first three pages of articles on schools affected by budget cuts. All the stories are from 2016.
Nationally
http://www.cbpp.org/research/state-budget-and-tax/years-of-cuts-threaten-to-put-college-out-of-reach-for-more-students

http://www.cbpp.org/research/state-budget-and-tax/funding-down-tuition-up

All Illinois state universities
http://www.marketplace.org/2016/03/14/education/illinois-cuts-funding-its-public-universities

Wyoming
http://www.powelltribune.com/news/item/14871-new-uw-president-must-make-23-million-in-budget-cuts-before-july-1

All Kansas state universities
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2016/05/23/kansas-cuts-criticized-hurting-large-research-universities

All Louisiana state universities
http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/01/louisiana_college_cuts.html

http://hechingerreport.org/the-devastating-impact-in-the-state-thats-cut-higher-education-the-most/

University of California
https://www.goodcall.com/news/university-of-california-audit-sparks-debate-over-out-of-state-students-state-budget-cuts-05506

Kentucky universities
http://www.wcpo.com/news/education/bevin-orders-knetucky-college-university-budgets-cut-by-45-percent

http://www.kentucky.com/news/politics-government/article71185627.html

Oklahoma universities
http://m.newsok.com/article/5482710

Wisconsin universities
http://www.duluthnewstribune.com/news/superior/4006102-budget-cuts-strain-already-stressed-uw-superior

Virginia universities
http://www.wvea.org/content/wva-colleges-make-cuts-deal-less-taxpayer-funding

North Dakota
http://www.grandforksherald.com/news/education/3983046-update-difficult-decisions-ahead-und-job-and-program-cuts-possible-schafer

Texas
http://www.dailytexanonline.com/2016/04/11/universities-must-find-alternative-sources-of-funding-in-light-of-state-budget-cuts

Alaska
http://www.ktuu.com/content/news/Hundreds-to-lose-jobs-at-University-of-Alaska-due-to-budget-cuts-president-says-378877941.html

Australian universities
http://www.australianetworknews.com/australian-government-faces-criticism-budget-cuts-university-funding-system/
 
Grisly Fan said:
SeattleBobcat said:
Copper Griz said:
griznative24 said:
LOL when will it stop?! No, seriously, when is this going to stop.
Click to expand...

It isn't going to stop and the problem is not exclusive to the U of M. Higher education is in trouble and frankly, it is downright unaffordable for many kids and families these days.
Click to expand...
Spot on IMO. America as a whole is being left in the dust, education wise with the rest of the world. It's hard for our kids to compete with foreigners who get an education for free, while our kids are saddled with debt or just simply can't afford it. In Seattle/Portland area, there are lots of high paying tech jobs, but the vast majority of these positions are filled by people from other countries. We seem to be a country that hate social programs and blames all our problems on them instead of the true culprit. There's is just not enough to go around for everyone, especially when the extremely weathly are hording money at record rates.
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How are social programs the solution to anything? We have created a nanny state where too many sit on their butts waiting for their handouts. Foreign students have the guts to travel far from home to get educated. Americans would never do that. (I am not defending free education for anyone by the way because if you don't earn it you won't appreciate it). Our big problem is that only 49% pay taxes and most of the rest just consume space and suck up resources.
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Yet thing you don't realize the people who don't pays taxes are usually very rich like Trump, and find loopholes so they don't have to pay. Capitalism only works if you can keep growing, it won't grow when you suppress the middle class. Social programs are vital to every country, now suddenly Police, Firefighters and EMS are creating a nanny state? Education shouldn't be affordable to everyone? only educate the people who can afford it? I'm not talking Foreign students coming here to get educated, and by the way its not guts, it cash that gets them that education, most of these workers were educated in places like India, where its free.

People with attitudes like yours kill me, yeah lets keep letting our populous fall behind the rest of the world... Attitudes like that will keep behind everyone.
 
S'cuse me for getting back on topic...

U of M is not unique in the funding crisis BUT, the BOR must begin an internal audit immediately to identify where the fat is and where the meat is at our school. Any college of that size has places to cut that are not actually associated with instruction, including, dare I say it, the athletic department. The audit must be conducted with personnel not employed by the university system. Soon!
 
Grisly Fan said:
SeattleBobcat said:
Copper Griz said:
griznative24 said:
LOL when will it stop?! No, seriously, when is this going to stop.
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Our big problem is that only 49% pay taxes and most of the rest just consume space and suck up resources.
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And there-in lies the problem for our entire nation...there are more takers than givers and you don't need a Masters Degree in Economics to understand that is an unsustainable situation. It is now no longer a question of if, but of when, the system will implode because when there are fewer people contributing than there are receiving it is inevitable. And there is no single political leader that can change that...it will take years of financial discipline to reverse the situation.
 
SeattleBobcat said:
Grisly Fan said:
SeattleBobcat said:
Copper Griz said:
It isn't going to stop and the problem is not exclusive to the U of M. Higher education is in trouble and frankly, it is downright unaffordable for many kids and families these days.
Click to expand...
Spot on IMO. America as a whole is being left in the dust, education wise with the rest of the world. It's hard for our kids to compete with foreigners who get an education for free, while our kids are saddled with debt or just simply can't afford it. In Seattle/Portland area, there are lots of high paying tech jobs, but the vast majority of these positions are filled by people from other countries. We seem to be a country that hate social programs and blames all our problems on them instead of the true culprit. There's is just not enough to go around for everyone, especially when the extremely weathly are hording money at record rates.
Click to expand...
How are social programs the solution to anything? We have created a nanny state where too many sit on their butts waiting for their handouts. Foreign students have the guts to travel far from home to get educated. Americans would never do that. (I am not defending free education for anyone by the way because if you don't earn it you won't appreciate it). Our big problem is that only 49% pay taxes and most of the rest just consume space and suck up resources.
Click to expand...

Yet thing you don't realize the people who don't pays taxes are usually very rich like Trump, and find loopholes so they don't have to pay. Capitalism only works if you can keep growing, it won't grow when you suppress the middle class. Social programs are vital to every country, now suddenly Police, Firefighters and EMS are creating a nanny state? Education shouldn't be affordable to everyone? only educate the people who can afford it? I'm not talking Foreign students coming here to get educated, and by the way its not guts, it cash that gets them that education, most of these workers were educated in places like India, where its free.

People with attitudes like yours kill me, yeah lets keep letting our populous fall behind the rest of the world... Attitudes like that will keep behind everyone.
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Yeah, let's strive to be like "the rest of the world", totally screwed up. This is the BEST COUNTRY in the world! You "progressive" dudes don't get it. The Roman Empire fell because of progressivism, and we will too, with the stupidly prevailing in Washington and among the youth today, who thing everything should be provide free to them. There is no free ticket in this world. Maybe we can strive to be like Greece, or Spain.
 
SeattleBobcat said:
Yet thing you don't realize the people who don't pays taxes are usually very rich like Trump, and find loopholes so they don't have to pay. Capitalism only works if you can keep growing, it won't grow when you suppress the middle class. Social programs are vital to every country, now suddenly Police, Firefighters and EMS are creating a nanny state? Education shouldn't be affordable to everyone? only educate the people who can afford it? I'm not talking Foreign students coming here to get educated, and by the way its not guts, it cash that gets them that education, most of these workers were educated in places like India, where its free.

People with attitudes like yours kill me, yeah lets keep letting our populous fall behind the rest of the world... Attitudes like that will keep behind everyone.
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In case you don't know, I mean with that incredible MSU education and all, the very wealthy don't make up 51% of the country. They are not the whole problem. Actually they are not even a significant part of the problem. You could take every penny they have and it wouldn't make a significant sent in the outcome. The problem is the MASSIVE entitlement programs that weigh on us every single year.

And in exactly what universe are the police, firefighters, and EMS considered a "social program"? Another gem from your storied days at MSU? Maybe you should have taken a few poly sci courses like I did at UM.

Affordable education doesn't have to be the result of a government social program. In fact with all of the regulations, govt only makes school more unaffordable. And using India as a model for anything is ironic. Have you ever been there? Crushing poverty and income inequity. I have friend who was born and educated there and HATES to go back. Funny that you want the US to be more like the rest of the world and yet most of the rest of the world wants to be more like the US. You really need to get out there and learn a whole bunch.
 
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