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Questions to analyze roster depth

BWahlberg

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Straight up ripping this off from BN, saw the post and thought it would be fun to do the same for the Griz. So I take no creativity claim in coming up with this, but wanted to try it out for the Griz. Here's the original post on BN: http://bobcatnation.com/bobcatbb/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=38214

1. Does your team have a backup QB that can go at least 2-2 in a 4 game stretch?
Yes

We probably have two in Chalich and Phillips. Chalich last year did exactly that before an injury of his own sidelined him for the season. Chalich's command and understanding of the offense is even better now. Add in Phillips who is apperas to be a major talent but is just some reps and experience shy of showing what he can truly do... we're in good shape here.

2. Does your team have a real swing offensive tackle, a guy that can play left or right tackle and has experience?
Yes

Junior David Reese who I believe has already played both LT and RT - will be our main dude at LT this season.

3. Does your team have a solid inside offensive lineman that can play guard or center?
Yes

The return of Ben Weyer makes this a solid yes and word is that Robert Luke will get some shots at guard as well, so we may have two guys that can give it a run.

4. Is there a quality second running back that can deliver a 100-yard rushing day if he had to start?
Yes

I suppose some objectivity is needed here, I know Stitt wants 100+ rushing from his backs in each game but this offense looks more at all purpose yards. I do believe that we've got 3 running backs right now that could get 100 APY and could probably get 100 yards rushing as the sole starter, Nguyen, Calhoun, and Favors. So with Calhoun & Favors the backups, it would seem the answer is yes here.

5. Is there a good second tight end on the roster?
Technically No / Offensive design Maybe

Tricky one to answer since Stitt's offense doesn't use a tight end. However we do have the "H" Wide Receiver which are all TE-conversion kids and their purpose on the field is very similar, blocking, height/size mis-matches, etc. So if you technically said, do we have a good 2nd TE, the answer is no, since we have none. But if you expand the question to fit our H-WR, do we have a good 2nd H-WR, I think the answer is Maybe. Mike Ralston fits the size of a true TE and is a beast to cover, and I really like how Colin Bingham has progressed. They're not at Josh Horner's level yet, need to see them continue to show they can play most every down if needed.

6. Can the third wide receiver step up and start in the two-WR packages if a starter went down?
Maybe

OK first of all we know that every package has 4 WRs... some might have 3. So lets just look at the split wide, the X and Y which I assume will be Curran and Hovey to start. Can Eaton or Homan (or another incoming player) step into that role? They showed they could in spring ball but that's a small sample. Need to see more this fall camp before we can make a for sure call on it.

7. Does your team have a designated pass-rush specialist who could play the early downs if need be?
Yes

Obviously Caleb Kidder is our every-down guy and the pre-season defensive MVP for a reason, he should be able to get to the QB as a pass-rusher. Beyond him though, watch for Tucker Schye to start to show us that he's ready to be a presence as a pass rusher. He's explosive out of his stance and excels in QB pressure. Ryan Johnson is the more well-rounded DE that's good in rush support, but Tucker I'd bet is that pass-rush specialist guy on the team.

8. Is there a third defensive tackle that not only plays in a rotation but could play the whole game if need be?
No

Unless some great progress was made from our transfer DT McKee-Osidibu or Kyle Davis this summer. We've got some young guys coming in too... but that's quite the position to throw a true freshman at.

9. Is there a quality nickel corner on the roster, since most teams are at least 50 percent sub defenses?
Maybe

This could change, but Ryan McKinley was expected to take the next step this spring... but didn't. I've seen for many corners it takes years to adapt and I still have confidence that he could get there, we just need to see what shows this fall. There's the two transfer corners we have as well but we've not seen how they'll stack up. Obviously there's good hope we have one, but currently that can't be said with any certainty.

10. Is there a fourth corner for dime packages?
No

Again, could be a maybe if we see progress from the new additions on roster but right now... no

11. Is there a third safety for big nickel defenses?
Yes

While not a for sure, if healthy and ready to go let's assume Strong gabs the starting spot opposite Sanders. That would probably mean Sandry would be our 3rd safety. Sandry's a big time talent, just a little raw still.

12. Is there a return specialist that can either handle both punt and kick returns or contribute as a real position player?
Yes

I think the torch is being passed from John Nguyen to Caleb Lyons and Jerry Louie McGee... both of whom had major returns in spring ball. We're in good shape with any of the three of these guys.

13. Does your team have a special-teams linebacker that leads the specials and can play inside linebacker in a pinch?
Maybe

We did last year, and he's projected to start at mike this year, Connor Strahm. So I assume that duty will pass to Vika Fa'atuiese. Vika had a good spring ball running the defense and showed his great talent for the job. I'll keep it at maybe b/c I didn't watch him too much on ST.

Results:
Yes: 7
Maybe: 4
No: 2
 
If Reese is the left tackle, (really important line position) not sure he can or should be counted on to move over in cases of need. Do you see anyone else on the roster that can play the role?

Ps. Thanks for bringing football back.
 
bgbigdog said:
If Reese is the left tackle, (really important line position) not sure he can or should be counted on to move over in cases of need. Do you see anyone else on the roster that can play the role?

Ps. Thanks for bringing football back.

Well the question was someone that could play both RT and LT and has experience, which he has. Do I see a backup for him or someone to take his job if he moved to RT? No. I would assume he'd move to RT because Thiebes is out/hurt/ineffective. But obviously Stitt/Germer aren't going to take their experienced LT and move him to RT and snap in some totally inexperienced guy at LT.

Edit: should further add, tackle depth right now is shaky, don't see a good RT backup either.
 
I think you put too many yes and maybe answers in there with guys that are unproven (Darn SugerCoater ;) ). In my opinion, any 'yes' you put in there with a guy that has just done stuff in the spring or is yet unproven in FCS level or above games needs to be a 'maybe'. Without the explanations, I see UM has this coming in to the season:

Backup QB - Yes
Swing Tackle - Yes
Center or Guard - Maybe. Only because you are basing it off the 'return' of a player that hasn't played in over a year.
RB - Yes. I think Calhoun is good.
TE - No
3rd WR - No. Potential is there, but absolutely no one is known at this point
Pass Rusher - Yes
3rd DT - No
Nickle Corner - No
4th Corner for Dime - No
3rd Safety - Maybe (nobody proven yet)
Return Specialist - Maybe. Again, talent there but not yet proven
Extra Special Teams Linebacker - No. Nobody that has had a chance to show anything yet. So much talent here needed to be replaced.

Totals: Yes - 4, Maybe - 3, No - 6

That's the most intriguing thing about UM coming into this season. There are a ton of question marks on this team. This team could easily be middle of the pack Big Sky all the way to top 10 nationally. I could see either scenario play out. Historically UM turns the question marks into positives very quickly and outperforms expectations. But with the major roster overhaul combined with a coaching staff doing things in new or unconventional ways I'm not certain which way it will go.

And to show that I am not being a Griz hater on here, this is where I see the Cats right now:

Backup QB - No
Swing Tackle - Maybe
Center or Guard - Yes
RB - Yes. Deepest position on the Cats
TE - Maybe
3rd WR - Maybe
Pass Rusher - Maybe (close to a yes, some very positive flashes last season in this category)
3rd DT - No (transfers, but nothing proven)
Nickle Corner - Maybe (transfers coming in have legitimate FBS playing or starting experience - should be MUCH improved this year. But again, not proven at MSU so it has to be a Maybe)
4th Corner for Dime - No
3rd Safety - No (nobody proven yet)
Return Specialist - Yes
Extra Special Teams Linebacker - No. Nobody that has had a chance to show anything yet.

Cats have more proven commodities on offense, not much of anything proven on defense. I think they are in the same boat as UM. Could go either way this season. If things defensively click for the Cats (even middle of the pack) and their transfer QB is good, then they'll be in contention this season.

Totals: Yes - 3, Maybe - 5, No - 5
 
Pin2Win said:
I think you put too many yes and maybe answers in there with guys that are unproven (Darn SugerCoater ;) ). In my opinion, any 'yes' you put in there with a guy that has just done stuff in the spring or is yet unproven in FCS level or above games needs to be a 'maybe'. Without the explanations, I see UM has this coming in to the season:

Backup QB - Yes
Swing Tackle - Yes
Center or Guard - Maybe. Only because you are basing it off the 'return' of a player that hasn't played in over a year.
RB - Yes. I think Calhoun is good.
TE - No
3rd WR - No. Potential is there, but absolutely no one is known at this point
Pass Rusher - Yes
3rd DT - No
Nickle Corner - No
4th Corner for Dime - No
3rd Safety - Maybe (nobody proven yet)
Return Specialist - Maybe. Again, talent there but not yet proven
Extra Special Teams Linebacker - No. Nobody that has had a chance to show anything yet. So much talent here needed to be replaced.

Totals: Yes - 4, Maybe - 3, No - 6

Ha, all good pin2win - good insights, differing opinions are good to have on here.

With TE - would you still call it a no if we were talking the H-WR position? Meaning behind Horner are Ralston, Bingham, or Simis a good substitute?

Also on the ST linebacker, we've also got a few guys like Alex Thomas that did ST and did it pretty well last season who could fit that role, they just aren't going to sub in at MLB's I don't think, as that's Vika's job.
 
BWahlberg said:
Pin2Win said:
I think you put too many yes and maybe answers in there with guys that are unproven (Darn SugerCoater ;) ). In my opinion, any 'yes' you put in there with a guy that has just done stuff in the spring or is yet unproven in FCS level or above games needs to be a 'maybe'. Without the explanations, I see UM has this coming in to the season:

Backup QB - Yes
Swing Tackle - Yes
Center or Guard - Maybe. Only because you are basing it off the 'return' of a player that hasn't played in over a year.
RB - Yes. I think Calhoun is good.
TE - No
3rd WR - No. Potential is there, but absolutely no one is known at this point
Pass Rusher - Yes
3rd DT - No
Nickle Corner - No
4th Corner for Dime - No
3rd Safety - Maybe (nobody proven yet)
Return Specialist - Maybe. Again, talent there but not yet proven
Extra Special Teams Linebacker - No. Nobody that has had a chance to show anything yet. So much talent here needed to be replaced.

Totals: Yes - 4, Maybe - 3, No - 6

Ha, all good pin2win - good insights, differing opinions are good to have on here.

With TE - would you still call it a no if we were talking the H-WR position? Meaning behind Horner are Ralston, Bingham, or Simis a good substitute?

Also on the ST linebacker, we've also got a few guys like Alex Thomas that did ST and did it pretty well last season who could fit that role, they just aren't going to sub in at MLB's I don't think, as that's Vika's job.
Good point on the H back. But Ralston has been changing positions so how good is he going to be? Hasn't played TE since 2014. I would move this to the 'maybe' category. Bingham and Simis are just still Redshirt Freshmen.

I still think the ST linebacker is a no. UM will be starting 3 new LB's, so having any sort of proven commodity behind that is a stretch to me. Thomas hasn't seen the field as a LB at UM. Vika is also just a RS Fr. There is nothing there to give credence about good depth - yet.
 
Horner:

2015: Caught 22 passes for 294 yards and a touchdown… Averaged 13.4 yards per catch and 22.6 yards per game…

2014: 1 catch for 7 yards.

2013: Chose not to play football.
==================================================================================

Ralston:

2015: Moved to defensive end from the tight end position and played in seven games…

2014: Mike played in 14 games and had four starts. He had 4 receptions for 41 yards and 2 touchdowns.

2013: He was a redshirt.
==================================================================================

They both had forgettable receiving numbers their first year on game days, but Ralston did have better numbers.

Let's see if Ralston can match Horner's second year stats...
 
Great insight Brint, as always, and Pin2win right on the mark as well. I will get torn to shreds by the trolls for saying both of you are right but so what, you both are. The problem is that if you turn over half your roster, you can peak at your cards but you never really know if that hand will play until the chips are down. Personally I don't think we will as solid at LB as we were but schemes may be able to disguise the inexperience. Ralston is a monster and you can tell by his move to DE that he's a team guy. Can't wait to see him at H-back, not just as a receiver but also as a lead block because sometimes you gotta go old school and say "here it comes, deal with it"
 
SaskGriz said:
Great insight Brint, as always, and Pin2win right on the mark as well. I will get torn to shreds by the trolls for saying both of you are right but so what, you both are. The problem is that if you turn over half your roster, you can peak at your cards but you never really know if that hand will play until the chips are down. Personally I don't think we will as solid at LB as we were but schemes may be able to disguise the inexperience. Ralston is a monster and you can tell by his move to DE that he's a team guy. Can't wait to see him at H-back, not just as a receiver but also as a lead block because sometimes you gotta go old school and say "here it comes, deal with it"

LB will be interesting because we've seen this complete turnover in starters quite a bit recently. Usually the first year of the new corps is good but a little inconsistent and then they really step it up the 2nd year.

It's not H-back for Ralston, it's H-WR. I don't think they've got anything designed with him as an h back... But who knows...
 
All great insights and informative. On a more personal note, thanks for keeping it civil fellas. I prefer threads like this where we agree to disagree but still have football related give and take with each new post.

Unproven mostly on defense. I hope we can stay healthy and gel. I also look forward to seeing what our new D coordinator has up his sleeve.

Offensively I want some young studs to break out. When was the last time we had a freshman burst onto the scene and make serious waves in the BSC. We are young and need to step up.
 
grizfan406 said:
All great insights and informative. On a more personal note, thanks for keeping it civil fellas. I prefer threads like this where we agree to disagree but still have football related give and take with each new post.

Unproven mostly on defense. I hope we can stay healthy and gel. I also look forward to seeing what our new D coordinator has up his sleeve.

Offensively I want some young studs to break out. When was the last time we had a freshman burst onto the scene and make serious waves in the BSC. We are young and need to step up.
We are over due for a true or RS FR to come out and make a splash. My money would be on JLM to be that guy, he could have an incredible career as a Griz.


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I agree. JLM was so flashy and fast. Could cut on a dime. Did you see the BS kickoff interview with Gus? He was gushing about JLM. What year is Caleb Lyons? He looks great too!
 
grizfan406 said:
I agree. JLM was so flashy and fast. Could cut on a dime. Did you see the BS kickoff interview with Gus? He was gushing about JLM. What year is Caleb Lyons? He looks great too!

I believe Lyons is a red shirt sophomore and Louie-McGee is a red shirt freshman!
 
BWahlberg said:
SaskGriz said:
Great insight Brint, as always, and Pin2win right on the mark as well. I will get torn to shreds by the trolls for saying both of you are right but so what, you both are. The problem is that if you turn over half your roster, you can peak at your cards but you never really know if that hand will play until the chips are down. Personally I don't think we will as solid at LB as we were but schemes may be able to disguise the inexperience. Ralston is a monster and you can tell by his move to DE that he's a team guy. Can't wait to see him at H-back, not just as a receiver but also as a lead block because sometimes you gotta go old school and say "here it comes, deal with it"

LB will be interesting because we've seen this complete turnover in starters quite a bit recently. Usually the first year of the new corps is good but a little inconsistent and then they really step it up the 2nd year.

It's not H-back for Ralston, it's H-WR. I don't think they've got anything designed with him as an h back... But who knows...

I know you are thinking about the year we graduated Tripp, Coyle and Kanangata (sp?) and replaced them with KVA, Kose and Gamboa but those guys had way more reps even on the teams than Buss,Strahm and Banks (?) or Thomas. When I talk about Ralston at H-back I don't mean in the old Atlanta Falcons sense, I was thinking at the H-WR spot but there to overload a line and either collapse a DE or get a hat on an OLB.
 
I think depth is an unknown in most positions - given the number of guys that will need to jump into starters spots, and the youngsters that are going to need to step into backup & ST roles. QB & RB appear to be deep enough to make it work, but Stitt's going to have to ensure that all his QB's can run the playbook - nobody is going to buy anything less. Backups for the O-line are very young - going to need for the Villanueva's & Harts, among others, to step up in a big way.

Almost half the team has turned over so there's little actual game experience for a lot of these guys. Others are coming from different situations with game experience, a plus for building team if they fit with the culture. That said, if you listened to Schye's comments, there's a change in culture occurring, he seemed pretty confident that the defense would be even better despite losing talents like Holmes & KVA. I'd bet the offense will experience some growing pains - but might be better balanced and even more explosive than last year with JJ, Hendu & Roberts.

Best thing Stitt can do is to continue the process, put kids in position to be successful and let them play.
 
This year could be the year of the new comer. In fact i am betting on it. We have a few kids that can sneak up on other teams and make a splash. I can't wait!
 
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