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coasttocoast

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I am sick of hearing excuse for how this team has performed on the court the last 3 years. Each year it's "wait until Tinks gets his players" "we don't have this, we don't have that". Signing Tinkle to another three years was a huge mistake. At best this team finishes 3rd in the conference. And with all of this talent it should finish first.

Colorado State is terrible and their record will show that throughout the course of the year - The Griz get blown out by CSU. They barely beat an NAIA team! Come on. It is the same old story as last year. Bottom line. Tinkle is not head coach material! Enough said!
 
First time poster, making same rants against coach and team.

"Next Year, Same Unsupported Crap"

Probably an old critic afraid to use his old posting name.
 
I agree, Tinkle has done absolutely nothing to warrant a new contract. Good old boys network looking out for each other while the rest suffer.
 
PR, do we have some cheese to go with CtoC's w(h)ine ?

The sky is falling on GRIZNATION 2 games in, there is no hope! What do we do? I am so sick of egrizzers bashing football or basketball coaches. How funny "someone not headcoaching material" with the knowledge and know how that Tinkle is not headcoaching material! If that is the case well I guess Tinkle will have something in common with him in 3 years, not being a HC.

Even more ironic, the majority of basketball bashers next to never support this team, yet they feel they expect others to listen to them. Based on my time on EGRIZ, I would say there is less than a dozen egrizzers that have proven over and over they are diehard GRIZ basketball fans. I can accept and respect PR, GB, AThome, city, spanky, westsider, remax, mslacat, myself and a few others being negative of coaches, players, and the program. I may not agree with them all the time, but they have earned my respect.

Jesus Christ, give this thing time. What is wrong with giving people (players and coaches) benefit of the doubt? What is wrong with giving credit to a much improved CSU team or under respected MT Western? How about letting the decision makers such as Dennison, O'day, and the board of regents be the decision makers on who is worthy of coaching and who is not?

Besides to be honest, even when the GRIZ kick ass in basketball, public support SUCKS! Unlike football, our basketball fanbase has not earned the right to determine Tinkle's or any coaches outcome. Seriously, W/L's aside the attendance has not been there well before Tinkle to make that a major factor. So the only legit deciding factors/tangibles they have to by now is personality, GRIZ roots, academics, and a clean program. It is hard to label attendance as a deciding tangible when it is not there to support it!!!!

Am I disappointed in our start? Yes, Was and am I expecting better? YES. With that said am I going to bash the coaches and players I respect, and program I love? The furthest I will go is post what I feel they need to work on. But bashing or name calling the program I love, and the coaches I respect (football and basketball) is not my job. I will let the powers to be decide the outcomes!

GO GRIZ, as a little extra motivation come on here and to prove all these so called know it alls', WRONG!I
 
for the record I hope bobby Hauck stays forever and Tinks is gone tomorrow. One lives up to expectations and other doesn't.
 
coasttocoast said:
I am sick of hearing excuse for how this team has performed on the court the last 3 years. Each year it's "wait until Tinks gets his players" "we don't have this, we don't have that". Signing Tinkle to another three years was a huge mistake. At best this team finishes 3rd in the conference. And with all of this talent it should finish first.

Colorado State is terrible and their record will show that throughout the course of the year - The Griz get blown out by CSU. They barely beat an NAIA team! Come on. It is the same old story as last year. Bottom line. Tinkle is not head coach material! Enough said!
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pickleboy, GFY :loser: :loser:
 
coasttocoast said:
I am sick of hearing excuse for how this team has performed on the court the last 3 years. Each year it's "wait until Tinks gets his players" "we don't have this, we don't have that". Signing Tinkle to another three years was a huge mistake. At best this team finishes 3rd in the conference. And with all of this talent it should finish first.

Colorado State is terrible and their record will show that throughout the course of the year - The Griz get blown out by CSU. They barely beat an NAIA team! Come on. It is the same old story as last year. Bottom line. Tinkle is not head coach material! Enough said!
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I agree with your thoughts and whether you are a first timer or not means nothing. You egrizzers who try to make posting on a blog site a thing of honor and presitige that you must pay your dues for, give me a break who cares if its first or 10,000 post his first amendment rights entitle him to his opinion.
He's not bashing on the players he is making a valid points about their leadership. He also makes a factual point about the excuses that have been made for WT over the last 2 years. Everybody talked about once Wt gets this recruiting class in with current players and the McGillis transfer they will be roling next year. Well fact is getting the poop pounded out of you by a lower level MWC team who you beat by double digits last year and who only won 7 games with a somewhat lack-luster schedule is not rolling. Just like beating an NAIA team by 8 at home is not rolling. MSU beats CU at CU a big 12 team in OT. I think we gave the Griz BB HC job to the wrong assistant. I'm done these bleeding heart excuses are insane.
 
I posted this on another subject, but am posting it here. Flame away you impatient bashers! Patience is a virtue, especially at program at the leve of ours. Seriously overall what has this program done that scream excellence from any coach over any coaches tenure? Some of you treat this job like it is Duke, UNC, UCLA, AZ, etc. IT IS NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In my opinion the emphasis W/L's is the biggest problem in collegiate athletics today. Honestly to God, other than an occasional good year here and there, has Montana been consistently much better than average BSC record? Seriously, even the guys that were considered good to great did not have glowing records quickly with the GRIZ. Heathcote (sp?), Montgomery, Taylor all moved on but did not have great records. Morrill I think had the best record of the coaches that moved on. LK really did not stay here long enough to give him too much credit or too much blame.

Seriously, have the GRIZ ever had one MENS coach dominate every year from Heathcote on? Right now I am not going to take the time to look it up, but am rather pretty sure it would be hard to make a sure fire case for any coach here based on consistently winning. Jud, Monty, and Taylor all had great success after leaving the GRIZ. Do I consider them good to great coaches? I do as their careers turned out. Based on some peoples expectations, those guys too would have been bashed and considered as underachieving too.

Cold reality is all us GRIZ fans would love for our program to make a splash for many years. Cold reality is until we find a coach willing to take that time and recruit the better than average players we will never see this become reality. Tinkle is finally a coach looking at this position as more than a stepping stone. He is in a position in his life that finances are not as big a priority for him or his family. Damnit folks the coaches that could do what you want for this program as fast as you want are coaches that are retired, or at programs much larger than our, programs that can pay them top dollars? I know lets talk Bobby Knight out of retirement. Reality is that the top notch proven coaches are not going to fall into our laps. No matter who is coach we have to take risks on unproven coaches.

Had UCLA given up on Wooden, we would have never know the GREATEST college basketball coach to ever coach. Dean Smith had his growing pains at UNC. Coach K had many pains with Duke. All those schools were willing to ride out the storms, trials, and tribulations. Look what the results turned out to be. By the way, Appalachian State Football withstood many years of mediocrity with their coach. Despite that time, who is now the 3 time defending FCS champion?

When you are school of our size and history that is still searching for national respect it really is best to stick it out with someone that truely Bleeds GRIZ. That man is Tinkle, nobody here can doubt his love for this school, sincerity, morals, and respect. Be patient people, it will happen!!!! Sorry if it is not soon enough for some of the bashers wanting overnight dominance. Those stories are few and far between in college athletics.
 
I posted this on another subject, but am posting it here. Flame away you impatient bashers! Patience is a virtue, especially at program at the level of ours. Seriously overall what has this program done that scream excellence from any coach over any coaches tenure? Some of you treat this job like it is Duke, UNC, UCLA, AZ, etc. IT IS NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In my opinion the emphasis W/L's is the biggest problem in collegiate athletics today. Honestly to God, other than an occasional good year here and there, has Montana been consistently much better than average BSC record? Seriously, even the guys that were considered good to great did not have glowing records quickly with the GRIZ. Heathcote (sp?), Montgomery, Taylor all moved on but did not have great records. Morrill I think had the best record of the coaches that moved on. LK really did not stay here long enough to give him too much credit or too much blame.

Seriously, have the GRIZ ever had one MENS coach dominate every year from Heathcote on? Right now I am not going to take the time to look it up, but am rather pretty sure it would be hard to make a sure fire case for any coach here based on consistently winning. Jud, Monty, and Taylor all had great success after leaving the GRIZ. Do I consider them good to great coaches? I do as their careers turned out. Based on some peoples expectations, those guys too would have been bashed and considered as underachieving too.

Cold reality is all us GRIZ fans would love for our program to make a splash for many years. Cold reality is until we find a coach willing to take that time and recruit the better than average players we will never see this become reality. Tinkle is finally a coach looking at this position as more than a stepping stone. He is in a position in his life that finances are not as big a priority for him or his family. Damnit folks the coaches that could do what you want for this program as fast as you want are coaches that are retired, or at programs much larger than our, programs that can pay them top dollars? I know lets talk Bobby Knight out of retirement. Reality is that the top notch proven coaches are not going to fall into our laps. No matter who is coach we have to take risks on unproven coaches.

Had UCLA given up on Wooden, we would have never know the GREATEST college basketball coach to ever coach. Dean Smith had his growing pains at UNC. Coach K had many pains with Duke. All those schools were willing to ride out the storms, trials, and tribulations. Look what the results turned out to be. By the way, Appalachian State Football withstood many years of mediocrity with their coach. Despite that time, who is now the 3 time defending FCS champion?

When you are school of our size and history that is still searching for national respect it really is best to stick it out with someone that truely Bleeds GRIZ. That man is Tinkle, nobody here can doubt his love for this school, sincerity, morals, and respect. Be patient people, it will happen!!!! Sorry if it is not soon enough for some of the bashers wanting overnight dominance. Those stories are few and far between in college athletics.
 
mtgrizrule said:
I posted this on another subject, but am posting it here. Flame away you impatient bashers! Patience is a virtue, especially at program at the level of ours. Seriously overall what has this program done that scream excellence from any coach over any coaches tenure? Some of you treat this job like it is Duke, UNC, UCLA, AZ, etc. IT IS NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In my opinion the emphasis W/L's is the biggest problem in collegiate athletics today. Honestly to God, other than an occasional good year here and there, has Montana been consistently much better than average BSC record? Seriously, even the guys that were considered good to great did not have glowing records quickly with the GRIZ. Heathcote (sp?), Montgomery, Taylor all moved on but did not have great records. Morrill I think had the best record of the coaches that moved on. LK really did not stay here long enough to give him too much credit or too much blame.

Seriously, have the GRIZ ever had one MENS coach dominate every year from Heathcote on? Right now I am not going to take the time to look it up, but am rather pretty sure it would be hard to make a sure fire case for any coach here based on consistently winning. Jud, Monty, and Taylor all had great success after leaving the GRIZ. Do I consider them good to great coaches? I do as their careers turned out. Based on some peoples expectations, those guys too would have been bashed and considered as underachieving too.

Cold reality is all us GRIZ fans would love for our program to make a splash for many years. Cold reality is until we find a coach willing to take that time and recruit the better than average players we will never see this become reality. Tinkle is finally a coach looking at this position as more than a stepping stone. He is in a position in his life that finances are not as big a priority for him or his family. Damnit folks the coaches that could do what you want for this program as fast as you want are coaches that are retired, or at programs much larger than our, programs that can pay them top dollars? I know lets talk Bobby Knight out of retirement. Reality is that the top notch proven coaches are not going to fall into our laps. No matter who is coach we have to take risks on unproven coaches.

Had UCLA given up on Wooden, we would have never know the GREATEST college basketball coach to ever coach. Dean Smith had his growing pains at UNC. Coach K had many pains with Duke. All those schools were willing to ride out the storms, trials, and tribulations. Look what the results turned out to be. By the way, Appalachian State Football withstood many years of mediocrity with their coach. Despite that time, who is now the 3 time defending FCS champion?

When you are school of our size and history that is still searching for national respect it really is best to stick it out with someone that truely Bleeds GRIZ. That man is Tinkle, nobody here can doubt his love for this school, sincerity, morals, and respect. Be patient people, it will happen!!!! Sorry if it is not soon enough for some of the bashers wanting overnight dominance. Those stories are few and far between in college athletics.
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You make good points but, he's already had 2 going on 3 seasons to prove himself and right now it doesn't look too good. It's not like he took over a program that won 16 games in 3 seasons. Coach K, Dean Smith, and Wooden took over programs that were in worse conditions, especially Wooden. WT took over a program that had returning talent from a 2nd rd tourney team. I would have more sympathy for him if he took a program that only averaged like 5 wins a year during the previous HC but, he didn't. He has had it far easier than a lot of new D1 HC's. My biggest problem is the extension, I think they should have waited until after this season to offer it and I felt he should have stated that he would not sign it until after this season and only if the season was a successful one. If he truly bleeds griz like you state then that would be the honarable and fair thing to do on his part.

Because, what happens if they have a losing season this year and fans start calling for change in mass #'s? What kind of situation do you think that's going to produce? What happens if he has 2-3 more losing seasons in his extension, you'll then have a program with 5 staright losing seasons then what? It's like the republican party having control of the presidency 28 out of the last 40 years. Look at where our economy is now along with other things. College basketball programs who suffer 5 straight losing seasons need coaches like K, Smith, and Wooden to turn things around but, it's different now of days becuase, the little dogs like the U of M can't pay out the big $ to keep good coaches like the big dogs can. That's just the reality of it, guys like Robin Slevig are rare. For griz nation I hope you are right but, it's not looking good.
 
I am sorry S-Bear. While I agree with you in principal, I'd appreciate if you would never mention Tinkle and Wooden in the same context again.....
 
Pretty much. Not like we can do anything about it anyway, contract's signed. On a related note, how hard is it for a contracted coach to get canned? No, I am not saying he needs to be canned right now, but if he doesn't turn the program around and things get worse, does the U pretty much have to ride his tenure out? Just wondering.
 
Here we go, Stew and Blaine had good starts to their careers at U of M. Jud would have been gone by todays standards we are holding Tinkle too. Mike barely survives after year 2. Don and Pat, alot to be desired. Larry and Jim got out too soon to really accurately judge truely how good of coaches or impact they would have on the program.

As for Tinkle being extended we do not know the whole story. Based on the recruits he signed this year, all ranked 80 or better, I am sure we would have risked losing them along with Qvale, Selvig, and the majority of underclassman. That is not a good risk to take, and a revolving door program is what Montana has to get out of being. To do that we have to stick with someone, or we will never see the heights we all want. The Univesity has chosen Tinkle. Like it or not, I understand their thinking and respect it.


1971-72 14 12 Jud Heathcote
1972-73 13 13 Jud Heathcote
1973-74 19 8 Jud Heathcote
1974-75 19 8 Jud Heathcote
1975-76 13 12 Jud Heathcote
1976-77* 6 20 Jim Brandenburg
1977-78 20 9 Jim Brandenburg
1978-79 14 13 Mike Montgomery
1979-80 17 11 Mike Montgomery
1980-81 19 9 Mike Montgomery
1981-82 17 10 Mike Montgomery
1982-83 22 7 Mike Montgomery
1983-84 23 7 Mike Montgomery
1984-85 22 8 Mike Montgomery
1985-86 21 11 Mike Montgomery
1986-87 18 11 Stew Morrill
1987-88 18 11 Stew Morrill
1988-89 20 11 Stew Morrill
1989-90 19 10 Stew Morrill
1990-91 22 9 Stew Morrill
1991-92 26 5 Blaine Taylor
1992-93 17 11 Blaine Taylor
1993-94 19 9 Blaine Taylor
1994-95 21 9 Blaine Taylor
1995-96 20 8 Blaine Taylor
1996-97 21 11 Blaine Taylor
1997-98 16 14 Blaine Taylor
1998-99 13 14 Don Holst
1999-00 17 11 Don Holst
2000-01 11 16 Don Holst
2001-02 16 15 Don Holst
2002-03 13 17 Pat Kennedy
2003-04 10 18 Pat Kennedy
2004-05 18 13 Larry Krystkowiak
2005-06 24 7 Larry Krystkowiak
2006-07 17 15 Wayne Tinkle
2007-08 14 16 Wayne Tinkle
 
mtgrizrule said:
Jud would have been gone by todays standards we are holding Tinkle too.
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Jud didn't take over a team that went to back to back NCAA appearances and the second most returners of any team, behind Florida, with 9 players coming off a second round appearance
 
I can only speak for myself, but I am proud to have called all these men GRIZ coaches except Kennedy. I have supported every coach in my lifetime and they all had some sort of impact for my love for the GRIZ. I am proud to call Tinkle and Larry and all their assistants friends too. I am tired of seeing this as the bashers verses the backers. Nobody here or anywhere can ever question my loyality to GRIZ basketball. I am willing to go through growing pains with GRIZ coaches. I love my GRIZ at 28-0 or 0-28, just a little more pissed/disappointed.

I personally say "It is about damn time the University finally is trying to put an end to the "revolving door" coaching mentality!" I am not saying that because of Tinkle, but because that revolving door philosophy has always pissed me off. That philosophy hurts any program more than it helps. I am a believer that good things are worth waiting for. I like this approach. In time this approach will payoff. I just hope for all our sakes, the approach pays off with Tinkle instead of another 2, 3, 4 etc coaches later.

No matter what anyone thinks of Tinkle, O'day, the university, or the players: I will always support GRIZ basketball!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I wish I had the necessary credentials to coach the GRIZ. There would be nothing better than representing the program/school I love. If you do not like that, STFU and go find a team that meets your winning desires! The few precious GRIZ basketball fans do not need the fairweathered fans, get the hell out!

Flame on!
 
mtgrizrule,

Only comment on this one:

Don't think Jesus Christ has much to do with Griz hoop fortunes, so there's no need to inject him into these discussions.
 
Wow-there are enough opinion on WT and what is a true Griz fan, that my head is spinning(I know, I'm leaving myself open to the "word merchants" I'm a Montana fan which means Griz fan, a Bobcat fan, and any other team that represents the state...That being said-I feel its my right to express my opinion on all aspects of play, without being personal, but most sports are a business, and as such, there is nothing wrong with giving one's opinion. May not be what others agree with, but its amazing to me, too see how some posters resort to personal attacks on other posters, as if they feel by doing so, it makes their point more valid...Anyway-such as it is-anyone can write what they want-as my wise father often said"paper will take ink" So here I go... Pretty much granted that WT is a nice guy-one that mothers and fathers would adore-hence he's a recruiter, and public relations man..But a complete coach he is not, and blind defense of THIS is not being a loycal griz...Can he be better--Possibly, but not by himself--Only if he hires competent coaches who will complement his style-which I'd hoped his last hire would fill that bill..Apparently , by the last few games, thats not happening, but perhaps its because WT will not allow a strong person to voice...Time will tell...Basic basketball isn't being played as upper level teams play it...Blocking out-I've never seen five players blocking out-two - and maybe three at the most...Screens--attempted to be set, but the handler "seldom" truly rubs his defender off....Its a token effort at best...True hustle-the last time I truly saw it was when Dan Beaudin joined the team for a couple of games... Coaches making their players give the utmost all game--see Steve Keller and Western... They never quit-One player tried at the end, and he was promptly subbed....If Steve Keller is as good a coach as his team played-he'd have our talent in line for the big dance.... Bottom line for me, is that WT is not a complete coach, and again this year, seems to be doing the same old things, and the ones I feel badly for are the athletes ..WT either brainwashed us with his recruiting stories on how good his new recruits are, and he's coaching them over their heads--hence a good coach, or he was truthful about each recruits potential, and he hasn't found the key to utilize that potential...
 
UM no doubt had the most talent last year and I think this year's UM team also has talent and should be contending for the title and has no reason to finish 3rd.

Why did they sign Tinkle longer?

What happens if he pulls a last year?
 
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