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I like your posts weatherman. Mostly for the entertainment value.

My point is = Barry promised he would close Gitmo. He promised something and he didn't deliver.

My point is = Don't promise something that you can't deliver.

My point is = The USA population and liberal media have not held Barry accountable.



AllWeatherFan said:
Quoting from the articles you linked:

“President Obama has tried to have the facility closed taking office but has been blocked by Congress.”

“In 2009, when Mr. Obama ordered the prison closed, there were 242 detainees there. As his administration has transferred prisoners to other countries, the total has dropped to 61. The challenge is that several dozen detainees are not eligible for transfer, and Congress has banned bringing them to the United States.”

“Congress’s ban on bringing detainees to domestic prisons was passed in a defense bill at the end of 2010. However, the current Congress does not appear inclined to revoke it.“ As far as I'm concerned, every last one of them can rot in hell, but as long as they don’t do that, they can rot in Guantánamo Bay,” Senator Tom Cotton, Republican of Arkansas, said last year.”

Based on the above, it appears that the failure to close GITMO lies with Congress, not President Obama. So if you really want GITMO closed, I suggest calling Senator Daines’ office. I can get you the phone number if you need it.
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Be careful Weatherman - there is not a simple economic explanation.

The USA economy is not growing at normal, healthy GDP/ GNP rates. Corporate profits and P/E ratios are lagging and the last 10-years of expenditure cuts are not sustainable. The labor statistics are mixed, and often do not display an accurate quality/status.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/

(CNSNews.com) - A record 94,708,000 Americans were not in the labor force in May -- 664,000 more than in April -- and the labor force participation rate dropped two-tenths of a point to 62.6 percent, near its 38-year low, the Labor Department's Bureau of Labor Statistics reported on Friday. When President Obama took office in January 2009, 80,529,000 Americans were not participating in the labor force; since then, 14,179,000 Americans have left the workforce -- some of them retiring and some just quitting because they can't find work.
. . . The unemployment rate in May dropped to 4.7 percent, BLS reported, less than half of its Obama-era high of 10 percent in October 2009. But the labor force participation rate has deteriorated over Obama's two terms. When Obama took office in January 2009, shortly before the recession ended, the labor force participation rate was 65.7 percent. The following month, it reached an Obama-era high of 65.8 percent, and then it began its seven-year downward spiral, hitting 62.4 percent in September 2015, its lowest point since 1977. The 62.6 percent participation rate in May 2015 compares with 62.8 in April and 63.0 in March. (BLS noted that the rate has declined by 0.4 percentage point over the past two months, offsetting gains in the first quarter.)
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AllWeatherFan said:
Proud Griz Man said:
8 years of Obama socialism, followed up by Hillary would be a disaster. The "Affordable Care Act" has been a disaster...
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So many disasters! Oh wait, let's look at how the economy was performing when President Obama took office. Huh. I feel better already.
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Proud Griz Man said:
I like your posts weatherman. Mostly for the entertainment value.

My point is = Barry promised he would close Gitmo. He promised something and he didn't deliver.

My point is = Don't promise something that you can't deliver.

My point is = The USA population and liberal media have not held Barry accountable.



AllWeatherFan said:
Quoting from the articles you linked:

“President Obama has tried to have the facility closed taking office but has been blocked by Congress.”

“In 2009, when Mr. Obama ordered the prison closed, there were 242 detainees there. As his administration has transferred prisoners to other countries, the total has dropped to 61. The challenge is that several dozen detainees are not eligible for transfer, and Congress has banned bringing them to the United States.”

“Congress’s ban on bringing detainees to domestic prisons was passed in a defense bill at the end of 2010. However, the current Congress does not appear inclined to revoke it.“ As far as I'm concerned, every last one of them can rot in hell, but as long as they don’t do that, they can rot in Guantánamo Bay,” Senator Tom Cotton, Republican of Arkansas, said last year.”

Based on the above, it appears that the failure to close GITMO lies with Congress, not President Obama. So if you really want GITMO closed, I suggest calling Senator Daines’ office. I can get you the phone number if you need it.
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We're all Griz fans, PGM, which is all that really matters.

I get your points. I just think it's a little specious to blame somebody for not doing something that you do not in fact think he should do, and which is impossible to do given circumstances that have changed since he made the "promise." Should he have foreseen Mitch McConnell's stated policy to oppose every single legislative initiative for the remainder of his presidency? Maybe. Oh well. I'd rather try something and fail than promise to do nothing but obstruct.
 
Proud Griz Man said:
Be careful Weatherman - there is not a simple economic explanation.

The USA economy is not growing at normal, healthy GDP/ GNP rates. Corporate profits and P/E ratios are lagging and the last 10-years of expenditure cuts are not sustainable. The labor statistics are mixed, and often do not display an accurate quality/status.
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So...are you arguing that economic conditions were better at the end of Bush's second term, or that things aren't perfect?
 
AllWeatherFan said:
Proud Griz Man said:
Be careful Weatherman - there is not a simple economic explanation.

The USA economy is not growing at normal, healthy GDP/ GNP rates. Corporate profits and P/E ratios are lagging and the last 10-years of expenditure cuts are not sustainable. The labor statistics are mixed, and often do not display an accurate quality/status.
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So...are you arguing that economic conditions were better at the end of Bush's second term, or that things aren't perfect?
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You will note - I did not express an opinion on the 2007-2008 economy. Please don't attempt to put words in my mouth.

For years, there have been superficial, simple conclusions drawn about the 2011-2015 USA economic conditions without deeper analysis of the international "flight to safety". The mediocre GDP numbers are glossed over, and politicians point out other "glowing" statistics.

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"Weaker economic growth throughout the world, devalued foreign currencies and financial market turbulence combined to present significant challenges for foreign buyers over the past year," said Lawrence Yun, chief economist of the National Association of Realtors (NAR). "While these obstacles led to a cool down in sales from nonresident foreign buyers, the purchases by recent immigrant foreigners rose, resulting in the overall sales dollar volume still being the second highest since 2009."
. . . "Foreign buyers purchased $102.6 billion of residential property in the U.S. between April 2015 and March 2016, according to NAR's annual report on international activity in U.S. real estate. That is a 1.3 percent decline in dollar volume from the previous survey. The number of properties purchased, however, rose 2.8 percent to 214,885. The value of homes bought by foreigners was typically higher than the median price of all U.S. homes. "The slight drop in dollar volume can probably be accounted for based on the types of properties purchased, and the locations of many of those properties. We've seen at least some evidence that foreign buyers — both investors and people just looking for a home — have begun looking beyond expensive markets like San Francisco, New York City and Washington D.C., and buying properties in smaller, less-expensive cities in the Southeast and Midwest," said Rick Sharga, . . . "
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http://www.cnbc.com/2016/07/06/foreign-buyers-flood-us-real-estate-but-buy-cheaper-homes.html
Blockbuster real estate deals are back and breaking records as cash from around the globe pours into U.S. office buildings, apartment complexes and other investment properties.

Commercial real estate transactions jumped 45 percent by dollar volume in the first quarter, an increase driven by sales of multiple buildings or entire companies, according to research firm Real Capital Analytics Inc. Since then, General Electric Co. agreed to sell real estate assets to Blackstone Group LP and Wells Fargo & Co. in a deal valued at about $23 billion, the largest property purchase since the financial crisis.
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-05-13/mega-real-estate-deals-return-in-u-s-as-haven-offered
 
Yes, I agree that politicians shouldn't paint an overly rosy picture. And that they shouldn't paint an overly gloomy one. The truth is usually somewhere in the middle, no?
 
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AllWeatherFan said:
Yes, I agree that politicians shouldn't paint an overly rosy picture. And that they shouldn't paint an overly gloomy one. The truth is usually somewhere in the middle, no?
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The flood of foreign investment money helps drive up USA real estate prices. Many Americans are naïve and believe that the 30% market value increase in their residence is a justification for getting a cash-out refinance loan. The Cash-out refinance loan proceeds are often squandered, but that is a loan that they will be required to repay. Someday in the future there will be a possible 30% market value decrease when the foreign investors decide to "cash out" liquidate their USA real estate holdings and take their funds out of the USA real estate market.

When the 30% market value decline occurs, there will be several loans with outstanding balances in excess of the lower property value. That is when the government officials and the poor manipulated consumers scream that there was fraud by the evil financial institutions. :cry: That is when the government increases taxes to build up a bailout fund for poor manipulated consumers. That is when the government creates a new bureaucracy department to oversee the bailout fund. :(
 
Didn't watch the debate, and can't stand either candidate, but I have to give Trump some credit for this one...

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFGiZT-MnI4[/youtube]
 
...so elect this fcuking clown...
...go third world dictatorship...
...no end to americas ignorance...

... :roll: ...
 
zengriz said:
...so elect this fcuking clown...
...go third world dictatorship...
...no end to americas ignorance...

... :roll: ...
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I like your posts Zen, but I am drowning in this Socialistic America. Obama and Hillary are getting rich with this socialism, but it is killing middle-class Americans like me.
 
Hey guess what? Trump, a man, likes to hug, kiss and fondle beautiful women. How does this make him a bad man? Every man on this forum has at one time, or more in his life, bragged about their experiences with a female... If you haven't, or claim you haven't, I don't believe you are being truthful to yourself. Politicians are a bunch of hipacrites and always will be!
 
reinell30 said:
Hey guess what? Trump, a man, likes to hug, kiss and fondle beautiful women. How does this make him a bad man? Every man on this forum has at one time, or more in his life, bragged about their experiences with a female... If you haven't, or claim you haven't, I don't believe you are being truthful to yourself. Politicians are a bunch of hipacrites and always will be!
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
 
Both candidates are dreadful. I will not be voting for either one of them. I will not tell my children and grandchildren that I endorsed either one of them. The argument by loyal Trump supporters that, "well at least he's honest" is soooooo off the mark. 76% of his political statements have been proven false. Good job Republicans, you nominated the ONLY person that would lose to the Democrats most flawed candidate in many many years.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnpO_RTSNmQ[/youtube]
 
Outside looking in, so take it for what it's worth (probably nothing). It seems like the Republican Party has simply gotten what it had coming. The GOP allowed itself to be co-opted by radical right tea-party types who pushed the Party further and further away from the fiscal conservatism that was their backbone and out into social conservatism and nonsense issues like the President was a Muslim, and the President wasn't born in Hawaii and all the rest of that.

Then despite having the largest majority in the two houses since the 1920's, the GOP was still not able to get much done because most of the "New" Republican Congressmen and Senators are Tea Party backed and are much more reactive than proactive. They were sent to Washington by people who know what they don't like about America but don't really have any solid plans to change things.

So the GOP nomination process scares off any moderate Republicans because they know they can't and don't want to court the extremist vote. Into this vacuum steps a classic narcissist who sees a new way to get his "brand" out there. He wins the nomination basically by default but unfortunately the symptoms of his disorder to not allow him to conduct himself in a way that will appeal to almost anybody and he inevitably implodes.

End result, a Democrat with tons of questions about her past will most likely be President and the fall-out from the Trump experiment may well cost the Republican's the Senate as well.
 
She ain't dead yet. Americans are too forgivable. They will vote for her and she will ruin our country completely.
 
Once the new Prez is inaugurated, BO a blip in the history books, and a new AG in place and he/she decides to indict Hilliary and if she would get convicted and serves her time (hopefully lengthy time) ; she will be a convicted felony and not eligible to hold public office. SWEEEEEEET !!!!
 
...you flipping fools...
...you elected a democrat...
...you would believe anything...
...you have been takin" for a ride...

... :lol: ...
 
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