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Kirsten Pabst

Drew University: Our sex assault investigation wasn't biased against men

"Student Kevin Parisi was never charged with any crime related to the sex assault claim, and the school ultimately found him not responsible. His accuser notified police of the alleged sexual assault, but then never came to police headquarters to give a further statement, and the case was eventually closed, police have told NJ.com.

"But he alleges in a federal lawsuit Drew's investigation derailed his academic career, and his prospects for a good life secured by a college education.

"During the three-month investigation, he was barred from student housing and other campus facilities other than his classrooms and a cafeteria, which he says forced him to sleep on the "on the filthy floor" of a nearby apartment's kitchen, aggravating his anxiety and digestive disorders. hat led to his grades slipping, and his eventual academic suspension, his lawsuit alleges."

The school insists that there is no gender bias; that it treats women accused of rape in exactly the same way. Well, no, they didn't put it "quite" that way. http://www.nj.com/morris/index.ssf/2014/06/drew_our_sex_assault_investigation_wasnt_biased_against_men.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Perhaps Kirsten gave up a good future income.

University of Tennessee Law Professor Glenn Reynolds writes: "These lawsuits seem to be a growth industry. If I were a plaintiff’s lawyer in a college town, I’d be putting ads on park benches: FALSELY ACCUSED OF SEXUAL ASSAULT? SUE THE B*ST*RDS!"

I am sure the NCAA would get involved.
 
The Education Department is now investigating 61 colleges and universities for possible violations of Title IX related to alleged sexual violence

http://chronicle.com/article/Why-Colleges-Are-on-the-Hook/146943/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Each one of them should write a thank-you letter to Royce Engstrom, c/o University of Montana.

University of Tennessee Law Professor Glen Harlan Reynolds notes:

The result is an increasing PR nightmare, as well as a bright, shiny lure for business-starved plaintiffs’ lawyers.

For colleges who are already having trouble attracting men — which is the vast majority of them — these kangaroo court procedures are only going to make it harder. And colleges without enough men also have trouble attracting women.
 
http://nypost.com/2014/06/07/colleges-mad-with-political-correctness-over-campus-rapes/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

or

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/21/opinion/robbins-campus-sexual-assaults/index.html?hpt=hp_t3" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
http://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/tracy-kent-shown-mercy-after-7312709" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/06/rage-against-the-outrage-machine/373069/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.washingtonpost.com/r/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2014/06/13/Editorial-Opinion/Graphics/George-Will-reply-to-Senators.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"And speaking of the counterintuitive, consider assumptions about how to
assign responsibility regarding sexual intimacies: Do the four of you, or do I, have
more confidence in what feminism once valuably asserted -- the fact that women are
the equals of men in possession of moral agency?

"It took many centuries for this, too, to become broadly and firmly accepted in
law and culture. All of us concerned about justice, and about the culture of mutual
respect between young men and women, should think long and hard about how their
behaviors are judged and responsibilities assigned."
 
New Data Refutes ‘Rape Culture’ Activists

http://www.mindingthecampus.com/2014/07/new-data-refutes-rape-culture-activists/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"The Washington Post has helpfully compiled a table, using Clery Act statistics, of allegations of campus sexual assaults in 2012 (the last year for which figures are available, including all schools with 1000 or more students). To put it mildly, the data do not substantiate White House claims of a virtually unprecedented violent crime wave on today’s college campuses. The data also, as Reason has observed, suggest that reports of sexual assault are on the decline, further calling into question the “rape culture” panic that has emerged since the 2011“Dear Colleague” letter."

MSU, 2010, 2011, 2012
Sex offenses - Forcible 3 6 1
Sex offenses - Non-forcible 0 0 0

UM, 2010, 2011, 2012
Sex offenses, Forcible 7 5 1
Sex offenses, Non-forcible 0 0 0
 
You're being logical. The rape culture activist don't give a damn about facts. You won't convince any of them that they just might be wrong. "When the legend becomes fact, print the legend." Great line from a great movie.
 
statler & waldorf said:
"When the legend becomes fact, print the legend." Great line from a great movie.
And that line was written right here in Missoula, Montana!
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/13/us/how-one-college-handled-a-sexual-assault-complaint.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=LedeSum&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
argh! said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/13/us/how-one-college-handled-a-sexual-assault-complaint.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=LedeSum&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
A horrible situation. Notably:

"The hearing, not dissimilar to what happens at many colleges, bore little resemblance to a court proceeding. Neither the accuser nor the accused were allowed to have lawyers or family members present. They could bring “advisers,” but they would be voiceless advisers, prohibited from speaking.

"The panelists could act pretty much as they wished, including questioning Anna about internal college reports and witness statements that she was not shown. Also absent were the usual courtroom checks and balances. The panel acted as prosecutor, judge and jury, questioning students and rendering judgment. All members were supposed to be trained for this delicate assignment.

That's precisely the objectionable system set up at UM under the "DOJ agreement," and this case is a "fine" example of how ridiculous it is; managing injustice to everyone concerned.

Why colleges are being required to set up ad hoc judiciary systems, a function far outside its primary function, one for which it is ill-equipped, and as the article emphasizes, a function almost guaranteed to do an injustice to somebody, is the real question behind the imposition of such a ridiculous system at the University of Montana, a system just waiting to create the next firestorm of bad public relations and damaged young people.
 
Conor Oberst’s Name Cleared; Rape Accuser Admits She Lied. “The statements I made and repeated online and elsewhere over the past six months accusing Conor Oberst of raping me are 100% false. I made up those lies about him to get attention while I was going through a difficult period in my life and trying to cope with my son’s illness. I publicly retract my statements about Conor Oberst, and sincerely apologize to him, his family, and his fans for writing such awful things about him. I realize that my actions were wrong and could undermine the claims of actual sexual assault victims and for that I also apologize. I’m truly sorry for all the pain that I caused.”

http://m.spin.com/articles/conor-obersts-name-cleared-rape-accuser-admits-she-lied/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Will there be criminal charges filed?
 
Colleges and universities should be free to defer entirely to the criminal justice system in such matters. It's not perfect, but it's a far cry better than setting up kangaroo courts.

And instead of passing off anecdotes as greater truths, let's just all admit that each and every case is fact-specific, which is exactly why the criminal justice system is the best place to address all such alleged crimes.
 
Harvard University officials caved in to federal officials in the face of funding threats and enacted a sexual misconduct policy that failed to respect the rights of the accused, claims a group of 28 current and former Harvard law professors.

The legal scholars voiced their frustration with the school’s new policy in a letter sent to The Boston Globe and published Tuesday night.

The Ivy League institution approved new measures to address sexual harassment and sexual assault in July. The policy went into effect this fall.
The preponderance of evidence standard provides a lower standard of proof for misconduct charges that was currently being used at Harvard’s 13 individual schools, The Globe reported…

“Harvard has adopted procedures for deciding cases of alleged sexual misconduct which lack the most basic elements of fairness and due process, are overwhelmingly stacked against the accused, and are in no way required by Title IX law or regulation,” reads the professors’ complaint.

Specifically, the group lamented “the absence of any adequate opportunity to discover the facts charged and to confront witnesses and present a defense at an adversary hearing.”

Under the new policy, one central office is in charge of “investigation, prosecution, fact-finding, and appellate review.”
http://dailycaller.com/2014/10/15/harvard-law-professors-slam-schools-new-sexual-misconduct-policy/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

UM is, finally, "the Harvard of the West."

The DOJ is forcing colleges to subvert the entire concept of "presumption of innocence."

Emily Adamson NBC MT ‏@EmilyNBCMT
Paoli reading woman's msg "It just seems like the more and more this thing drags on the more I feel guilty about it." #JohnsonTrial
 
While Harvard pledged to make changes, Elizabeth Bartholet, a veteran law professor at Harvard Law who teaches civil rights and family law, called the federal government’s recent campaign against colleges “madness” and said history would prove it wrong on the law. (Prof. Bartholet has been an outspoken opponent of policies that she and other law professors say strip students accused of sexual assault of their due-process rights.)

In an email to Law Blog on Wednesday, she wrote:

The federal government’s decision that Harvard Law School violated Title IX represents nothing more than the government’s flawed view of Title IX law. The Department of Education’s Office of Civil Rights, which issued the decision, is not the ultimate decision-maker on law. The courts are responsible for interpreting the law. And I trust that the courts will eventually reject the federal government’s current views. The courts’ decisions to date, including the U.S. Supreme Court, show a much more balanced approach to sexual harassment, one which recognizes the importance of vindicating the rights of those victimized by wrongful sexual misconduct, while at the same time protecting the rights of those wrongfully accused, and protecting the rights of individual autonomy in romantic relationships.

Prof. Bartholet said that Harvard University failed to challenge the government, and that other schools throughout the country need to show leadership by resisting the Department of Education’s position.

“I believe that history will demonstrate the federal government’s position to be wrong, that our society will look back on this time as a moment of madness, and that Harvard University will be deeply shamed at the role it played in simply caving to the government’s position,” she wrote.
http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2014/12/31/harvard-law-professor-feds-position-on-sexual-assault-policies-is-madness/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Royce Engstrom is the father of that cave-in, and that is his likely legacy at the University of Montana.
 
So for those of use that dont get up to Missoula, what is this thread about?

Perhaps she ran for an office of some sort? Or took on the county in a libel case?
 
ordigger said:
So for those of use that dont get up to Missoula, what is this thread about?

Perhaps she ran for an office of some sort? Or took on the county in a libel case?

Used to be an assistant district attorney. Quit and went into private practice. Was on Jordan Johnson's defense team.

She then successfully ran for County Attorney to take over Fred Van Valkenburg's seat as he was retiring. If you've followed local news with the federal investigations on sexual assault claim handling, working with the MPD, and to a lesser extent local civil (land use) lawsuit losses this has been a closely watched transition.
 
BWahlberg said:
ordigger said:
So for those of use that dont get up to Missoula, what is this thread about?

Perhaps she ran for an office of some sort? Or took on the county in a libel case?

Used to be an assistant district attorney. Quit and went into private practice. Was on Jordan Johnson's defense team.

She then successfully ran for County Attorney to take over Fred Van Valkenburg's seat as he was retiring. If you've followed local news with the federal investigations on sexual assault claim handling, working with the MPD, and to a lesser extent local civil (land use) lawsuit losses this has been a closely watched transition.

Thanks..yeah I remember her from the trial...your tweets!:)
 
At yet another University, mired in a false sexual assault scandal, with a complicit and spineless President, and major national coverage, the first drop in enrollment applications in 12 years.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2015-01-15/uva-applications-drop-in-wake-of-now-discredited-gang-rape-story.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
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