2012 Recruiting Class/ Summer Transfers

[WaGriz4life]

What exactly is your beef with the NAIA? You need to elaborate a little.

I just don't see NAIA as quality college athletics. I will occasionaly go to a Rocky Mountain College game but generally do not follow NAIA. I guess I developed my "beef" with NAIA through talking with friends and guys I know that have recently played in the Frontier. Every former Carroll player I know thinks their Carroll team could beat the Bobcats and Grizzlies. They don't think the talent difference from NAIA to FCS is that significant. Many guys I know who played at Tech and Rocky feel that themselves and some of their teammates are better than lots of the Montana players on UM and MSU. I realize that athletes have to have a certain sense of confidence, but in general I feel NAIA fans and players are delusional to the level of football they play at.

As others alluded to in the PSU/Carroll thread, the size and speed difference from NAIA to FCS is staggering. There is a much bigger talent and size gap between NAIA and FCS then FCS to FBS

[blackjack21]

I understand where you are coming from in regards to those individuals that talk crap about being able to compete with GOOD fcs level teams. I agree that the size and speed difference is just too much to make up for no matter how good the coaching is. I played jc baseball and then played at a NAIA school. I was an All American at that level and did not run around telling everyone that I am better than the upper level players. I just don't think you should stereotype all NAIA because we are not all that way. I think most people just want to continue playing whatever sport it is as long as possible no matter where it is. And Carrol can't compete with the Griz or cats.

[IntuitiveGriz]

Great 2012 recruiting class!

A little disappointed the Griz still don't sign lightening at RB (unless Chase plays RB). But Counts must be pretty good if the coaches compare him to Dan Moore.

Looking forward to seeing the JC guys, they will play right away as you don't recruit them if they are not ready to compete "now".

[WaGriz4life]

Great 2012 recruiting class!

A little disappointed the Griz still don't sign lightening at RB (unless Chase plays RB). But Counts must be pretty good if the coaches compare him to Dan Moore.

Looking forward to seeing the JC guys, they will play right away as you don't recruit them if they are not ready to compete "now".

That's the hope at least. Sometimes you bring JC guys in and then they get their asses kicked in practice by the Freshman and Sophmores that he was brought in to play over. Kevin Frank didn't help us at all last year.

[IntuitiveGriz]

Great 2012 recruiting class!

A little disappointed the Griz still don't sign lightening at RB (unless Chase plays RB). But Counts must be pretty good if the coaches compare him to Dan Moore.

Looking forward to seeing the JC guys, they will play right away as you don't recruit them if they are not ready to compete "now".

That's the hope at least. Sometimes you bring JC guys in and then they get their asses kicked in practice by the Freshman and Sophmores that he was brought in to play over. Kevin Frank didn't help us at all last year.

True, Frank was disapointing. However I am hoping his situation turns into the same as our starter opposite of Tru this season. That guy came in as a Junior and didn't excell, but he used that as a wakeup call and motivator and turned into a great player/starter the next season...his SR year. The guy I am talking about is obviously Houston Roots.

The players are from the same JC ironically, Sierra Col. They come from nearby cities, Roots in Sacramento and Frank from Elk Grove. And they wore similar numbers Roots 20 and Frank 21.

Let's hope Frank turns into the stud Roots became when Roots became a Senior. *fingers crossed*

[NewPapaBear]

Here's the complete list of BIG SKY program recruit signings from 2012 compliments of ESPN
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/footb ... 2012/id/20
We're looking pretty solid on paper! it is about the Jimmy's & Joe's more then it is about the X's & O's
Go Griz

[WyomingGrizFan]

Here's the complete list of BIG SKY program recruit signings from 2012 compliments of ESPN
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/footb ... 2012/id/20
We're looking pretty solid on paper! it is about the Jimmy's & Joe's more then it is about the X's & O's
Go Griz

I don't know why, though, that Tyrone Holmes is listed as a DT instead of a DE with his 4.9, as reported, speed. He'd be nice to see coming off the edge with Gamboa (OLB) from the other direction.

[WaGriz4life]

Here's the complete list of BIG SKY program recruit signings from 2012 compliments of ESPN
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/footb ... 2012/id/20
We're looking pretty solid on paper! it is about the Jimmy's & Joe's more then it is about the X's & O's
Go Griz

I don't know why, though, that Tyrone Holmes is listed as a DT instead of a DE with his 4.9, as reported, speed. He'd be nice to see coming off the edge with Gamboa (OLB) from the other direction.

265 out of High School playing in the FCS? That's DT all day. Shoot, 90% of the time he's a DT in FBS. And in college you can really do damage if you have a 3 technique getting up the field with that kind of speed.

[WyomingGrizFan]

Here's the complete list of BIG SKY program recruit signings from 2012 compliments of ESPN
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/footb ... 2012/id/20
We're looking pretty solid on paper! it is about the Jimmy's & Joe's more then it is about the X's & O's
Go Griz

I don't know why, though, that Tyrone Holmes is listed as a DT instead of a DE with his 4.9, as reported, speed. He'd be nice to see coming off the edge with Gamboa (OLB) from the other direction.

265 out of High School playing in the FCS? That's DT all day. Shoot, 90% of the time he's a DT in FBS. And in college you can really do damage if you have a 3 technique getting up the field with that kind of speed.

Well, I was just mentioning it since I've never came across a site, except the one that "NewPapaBear" found, that ever listed Holmes as a DT; but there is even sportsnetwork.com that does as well, now that I've done further research. I think it's a miscue if anything. A Strong Side DE primarily, yes, sometimes as a TE, some even as a OLB with his "speed" factored in. Accordingly < http://dyestat.rise.espn.go.com/search.jsp?athID=187811 which also has his 110 M Hurdles listed as a 14.9, which isn't all that bad, considering that the State of Montana All-State all-time record is held by a Matt Larson out of Helena Capitol, at 14.21, achieved back in 2002. Going by the position recognized http://highschool.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1288722 , and http://california.scout.com/a.z?s=166&p ... id=5611424 seeing him more as a "speed rusher" from the DE position. Came across one site that had his 40 time listed as 4.9, but I thought everybody knew that, so I didn't keep track of it. But his 110 Meter Hurdles time is impressive, for his size, if anything.

With a couple more inches Holmes could be compared to a Jared Allen type like he was with Idaho State a while back; a bigger, speedier version of a Dane Fletcher when he was with MSU, if his football prowess develops, which should be interesting to watch and see how and if he develops as such. Could be a possibility but it is really quite too early to tell yet; but it does sound like he has the potential. http://espn.go.com/blog/high-school/ore ... one-holmes I'm surprized that "Paytonlives" isn't going gaga over Holmes like he did a while back over Jordan Canada. Listed as a "Three Star" on some sites.

[PTGrizzly]

I have a hard time believing that 110 hurdle time...that's a really, really fast time. The reason I have doubts about it is because well...he only runs a 4.9 40. I understand that for his size, that is pretty dang quick, but in general, not a very fast time. Especially since it's most likely a hand time, therefore you would figure it at about a 5.0-5.1 40 time. I'm sure he's a great athlete, but comparing him to a faster Dane Fletcher or a Jared Allen type is just silly.

[go96griz]

I have a hard time believing that 110 hurdle time...that's a really, really fast time. The reason I have doubts about it is because well...he only runs a 4.9 40. I understand that for his size, that is pretty dang quick, but in general, not a very fast time. Especially since it's most likely a hand time, therefore you would figure it at about a 5.0-5.1 40 time. I'm sure he's a great athlete, but comparing him to a faster Dane Fletcher or a Jared Allen type is just silly.

Holmes took 4th at the state meet in the high hurdles. This is directly off his player bio below. I am guessing his 110 hurdle time is legit and his 40 time is probably too high.

"Tyrone Holmes, DL, 6-4, 265, Fr., HS, Eagle Point, Ore. (Eagle Point HS): Tyrone was the 2011 co-defensive player of the year in the Midwestern League as a senior...also first team all-state and all-league honors as a senior... first team all-league as a junior and sophomore....received first team all-league honors as an offensive lineman as a senior, and was a second team all-league performer the previous two years...also an excellent and versatile track athlete...defending state champion in the shot put and placed fourth in the state meet in the high hurdles."

http://www.gogriz.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/020112abe.html

[GrizMusician]

I have a hard time believing that 110 hurdle time...that's a really, really fast time. The reason I have doubts about it is because well...he only runs a 4.9 40. I understand that for his size, that is pretty dang quick, but in general, not a very fast time. Especially since it's most likely a hand time, therefore you would figure it at about a 5.0-5.1 40 time. I'm sure he's a great athlete, but comparing him to a faster Dane Fletcher or a Jared Allen type is just silly.

Holmes took 4th at the state meet in the high hurdles. This is directly off his player bio below. I am guessing his 110 hurdle time is legit and his 40 time is probably too high.

"Tyrone Holmes, DL, 6-4, 265, Fr., HS, Eagle Point, Ore. (Eagle Point HS): Tyrone was the 2011 co-defensive player of the year in the Midwestern League as a senior...also first team all-state and all-league honors as a senior... first team all-league as a junior and sophomore....received first team all-league honors as an offensive lineman as a senior, and was a second team all-league performer the previous two years...also an excellent and versatile track athlete...defending state champion in the shot put and placed fourth in the state meet in the high hurdles."

http://www.gogriz.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/020112abe.html

Do you know how the times are measured? There could have been human error, or other environmental factors.

[Bjorn Bjornstein]

I have a hard time believing that 110 hurdle time...that's a really, really fast time. The reason I have doubts about it is because well...he only runs a 4.9 40. I understand that for his size, that is pretty dang quick, but in general, not a very fast time. Especially since it's most likely a hand time, therefore you would figure it at about a 5.0-5.1 40 time. I'm sure he's a great athlete, but comparing him to a faster Dane Fletcher or a Jared Allen type is just silly.

I can't seem to find it now but read that his 40 time was 4.7 not 4.9...more consistent with his reported hurdle time.

YITB

[WyomingGrizFan]

I'm sure he's (Tyrone Holmes) a great athlete, but comparing him to a faster Dane Fletcher or a Jared Allen type is just silly.

O.K., maybe comparing Holmes to a Jared Allen type is a stretch, Allen was 6'6", but I'm not, nor did I say anything about, their subsequent NFL careers; just forgo any of that association and go by what was stated: when Allen was with Idaho State and when Dane Fletcher was with MSU.

Dane Fletcher was a damn good player: in 2007 19 Tackles for loss, 51 Total Tackles, 3 Sacks. In 2009 67 Total Tackles, 7 Sacks along with two blocked kicks.

Granted, these are senior high school statistics but comparatively Holmes, variously listed from anywhere from 6'3" 235 lbs to 6'4" 265 lbs, recorded 68 Total Tackles, 12 Tackles for loss, 10 Sacks, 1 Int. 2 caused fumbles, two fumbles recovered; somewhat comparatively the same as Dane Fletcher had in 2009 playing for the MSU Bobcats, if not better, statistically speaking. < http://www.dailytidings.com/apps/pbcs.d ... /112010310

Fletcher was involved in hockey and baseball during his high school years, for all I know, besides football, granted. I don't know if he ever had any exposure to Track & Field events at 6'2" 244 lbs. But Holmes, an All-Conference DE as a Sophomore and Junior has the strength enough to compare to All-Time State of Montana Shot Put records for both Class "A" and Class "B." And he hasn't had his senior season yet in that sports endeavor yet... < http://athletic.net/TrackAndField/Athle ... AID=848269 wherein is recorded a best in the Shot Put (12 lb) as 56' 3.5" - Class "A" all-time record is 57' 2" while the Class "B" is 56' 10." This along with playing basketball, involved in the 4x100 Relay, with a 11.64 in the 100 m and a 24.34 in the 200 m and a Discus (1.6 kg) of 138' 7."

Comparatively speaking, I don't think it's silly whatsoever; with the speed and size and game prowess, yes, a "speedier" version of a Dane Fletcher, Which, I think, he already is, speed and size wise, when he was with MSU; football prowess development, as stated earlier, Holmes "could possibly develop, though, as I said previously, that it is really too early to tell" at present, but the comparatives are there, if one cares to consider all factors. But who really knows how all will play out in the next five years? But it does sound like he has potential.

[monte002]

I had heard Riley King will be playing BB for the Saints.

Haha what a joke

Shut up WaGriz4life

[grizcountry420]

I had heard Riley King will be playing BB for the Saints.

Haha what a joke

Shut up WaGriz4life

You actually signed up just to say that... Really

[wbtfg]

Haha what a joke

Shut up WaGriz4life

You actually signed up just to say that... Really

[AZGrizFan]

Shut up WaGriz4life

You actually signed up just to say that... Really

Probably some regular who didn't have the balls to tell WaGriz4Life to shut up.

Hey, WaGriz!! f*** YOU! SHUT UP you POS!!!

[WaGriz4life]

Shut up WaGriz4life

You actually signed up just to say that... Really

Probably some regular who didn't have the balls to tell WaGriz4Life to shut up.

Hey, WaGriz!! f*** YOU! SHUT UP you POS!!!

On to recruiting in 2013. The guy to get in Montana this year will be Gunnar Brekke. Could play RB or WR in the Griz offense. This kid is EXPLOSIVE with the ball. Dynamic in the return game as well, great punt returner.

[AZGrizFan]

You actually signed up just to say that... Really

Probably some regular who didn't have the balls to tell WaGriz4Life to shut up.

Hey, WaGriz!! f*** YOU! SHUT UP you POS!!!

On to recruiting in 2013. The guy to get in Montana this year will be Gunnar Brekke. Could play RB or WR in the Griz offense. This kid is EXPLOSIVE with the ball. Dynamic in the return game as well, great punt returner.

Had a HS math teacher at Sentinel (and Freshmen Purple FB coach) Mr. Brekke. Wonder if Gunnar is his grandson....

[loyalgriz]

Probably some regular who didn't have the balls to tell WaGriz4Life to shut up.

Hey, WaGriz!! f*** YOU! SHUT UP you POS!!!

On to recruiting in 2013. The guy to get in Montana this year will be Gunnar Brekke. Could play RB or WR in the Griz offense. This kid is EXPLOSIVE with the ball. Dynamic in the return game as well, great punt returner.

Had a HS math teacher at Sentinel (and Freshmen Purple FB coach) Mr. Brekke. Wonder if Gunnar is his grandson....

No relation.

[wbtfg]

You actually signed up just to say that... Really

Probably some regular who didn't have the balls to tell WaGriz4Life to shut up.

Hey, WaGriz!! f*** YOU! SHUT UP you POS!!!

On to recruiting in 2013. The guy to get in Montana this year will be Gunnar Brekke. Could play RB or WR in the Griz offense. This kid is EXPLOSIVE with the ball. Dynamic in the return game as well, great punt returner.

I watched him play bball last weekend. He was much smaller than I had anticipated. He looked quick and athletic. Got T'd up for showing up the ref.

[WaGriz4life]

Probably some regular who didn't have the balls to tell WaGriz4Life to shut up.

Hey, WaGriz!! f*** YOU! SHUT UP you POS!!!

On to recruiting in 2013. The guy to get in Montana this year will be Gunnar Brekke. Could play RB or WR in the Griz offense. This kid is EXPLOSIVE with the ball. Dynamic in the return game as well, great punt returner.

I watched him play bball last weekend. He was much smaller than I had anticipated. He looked quick and athletic. Got T'd up for showing up the ref.

Yeah he is like 5'9"

[IntuitiveGriz]

Probably some regular who didn't have the balls to tell WaGriz4Life to shut up.

Hey, WaGriz!! f*** YOU! SHUT UP you POS!!!

On to recruiting in 2013. The guy to get in Montana this year will be Gunnar Brekke. Could play RB or WR in the Griz offense. This kid is EXPLOSIVE with the ball. Dynamic in the return game as well, great punt returner.

I watched him play bball last weekend. He was much smaller than I had anticipated. He looked quick and athletic. Got T'd up for showing up the ref.

We don't want any punks.

[grizpack]

Probably some regular who didn't have the balls to tell WaGriz4Life to shut up.

Hey, WaGriz!! f*** YOU! SHUT UP you POS!!!

On to recruiting in 2013. The guy to get in Montana this year will be Gunnar Brekke. Could play RB or WR in the Griz offense. This kid is EXPLOSIVE with the ball. Dynamic in the return game as well, great punt returner.

I watched him play bball last weekend. He was much smaller than I had anticipated. He looked quick and athletic. Got T'd up for showing up the ref.

We don't want any punks.

He's not a punk. Pretty good kid actually. Very competitive and a great athlete. I would love to see him as a griz.