GrizMusician
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AZGrizFan said:
Well, that's just plain retarded. :lol:
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Well Griz it appears MWC may be going very big
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Well, that's just plain retarded. :lol:
GrizMusician
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AZGrizFan said:
Take a look a BSU's record for the ten years or so leading up to their move up.
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They were 77-52 in the ten years leading up to their move up... I'd think that it would be ridiculous to try to step it up with the big boys with that record. Griz are 115-23 in the last 10 years.
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Yes, I'm one of the naysayers -- and that's because Missoula does not/never has/never will have the money that exists in the Boise area. And, without that, nothing good is going to come of "moving up." Earlier in this thread, someone said UM "wasn't yet in a position" to pay a coach $1 million per. Are you kidding me?!?! I don't believe UM will ever be in that position, and I can only imagine the hue and cry from the people of Montana were such a salary even proposed. Slam away....
Tokyogriz
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FCS itself is going to become a even bigger money loser soon. This seems to be completly overlooked in many statements here. UM, app, deleware and a couple other FCS schools that actually have fan bases pay for the ENTIRE playoff process. We already know app and some others are jumping ship NOW and most likely the entire CAA will as well. This will leave UM to pay for the entire playoff system of FCS. I have seen the UM AD complain about the current money loss from the playoffs just wait till we are footing the entire playoff bill ourselves for all of the little SUUs of the FCS world and their 500-1500 fans who attend playoff games.
Playoffs are fun I do agree and hope a mid major FBS style conference we join might have them. But the FCS is going into financial meltdown soon with the eastern money makers leaving the sinking ship. We need to get out now!
Playoffs are fun I do agree and hope a mid major FBS style conference we join might have them. But the FCS is going into financial meltdown soon with the eastern money makers leaving the sinking ship. We need to get out now!
'68griz said:
There are a total of TWO schools in the MWC that pay their coach $1,000,000.
You do realize (I'm sure) that Montana pays one of the LOWEST salaries in the BSC, yet somehow we manage to hang onto mediocrity by our fingertips. :| :|
Perhaps the bigger question we should be asking ourselves is this: How long are we going to be able to continue underpaying and overachieving as a program?
Tokyogriz said:
This isn't accurate. FCS is considered to be a cost effective alternate to FBS. FBS has become very expensive, and even too expensive, for many of the non-top FBS schools. Schools can operate at the FCS level without spending nearly as much money as it costs to be in FBS, especially what it costs to be successful in FBS. I disagree with your financial meltdown statement. The loss of some good schools doesn't lead to financial losses, let alone meltdown, for FCS. By the way, all but about 4 of the over 30 ncaa championships lose money. Historical FCS playoff losses have been relatively insignificant and completely acceptable.
MissingBigSky
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I went to University of Montana in 97-99 and University of Idaho in 99-2003. Idaho has extreme football challenges. Imagine for a moment that there is a Pac-12 school at the Missoula Airport and a Boise State-like school in Bozeman. Oh, and you play football in a crappy dome. This is Idaho's situation. Montana is not the next Idaho. Nobody has it that bad.
AZGrizFan said:PlayerRep said:
The economy is down EVERYWHERE. Using that as an excuse is lame as hell. And it won't ALWAYS be down, BTW (just as long as Obama is in the White House).
And "not attractive enough"? Have you ever been to Tuscaloosa, AL? Norman, OK? Lincoln, NB? Shitholes, every single one, yet somehow a forward-thinking administration coupled with good coaching and recruiting allowed these three armpits of America to build football powerhouses, literally in the middle of nowhere. Yet somehow, universities located in the absolute most gorgeous places on the continent (UCLA, ASU, Northwestern, U-Dub) CONSISTENTLY struggle to be successful. It ain't all about location...it's about finding a coach who knows how to win, athletes who want to WIN and who believe Missoula is the place to do that.
And I went to school in the Palouse...Missoula looks NOTHING like the Palouse, acts nothing like Moscow or Pullman, and has virtually nothing in common with WSU or Idaho. And it sure as HELL doesn't look like Laramie. Pullman has a population of 29,000. Moscow Idaho has a population of 24,000. Laramie's population is just over 30,000. Missoula county has a population of 110,000.
To me, the biggest detriment to moving up isn't a fear of being sucessful, nor a misguided fear of "no playoffs" (because I think that playoffs are eventually coming to ALL of football), it's the almost guaranteed requirement that the # of Montana-born players would go from 35-50% of the roster down to problaby 10% or less. But I could live with that if it was Boise State, Utah, Air Force, Nevada and Wyoming visiting Wa/Griz instead of SUU, UNC, UND, Liberty and PSU.
The economy in western Montana is particular bad. Employment in Flathead, Lake, Ravalli and Missoula counties is 10.6%, 10.2%, 9.6% and 7.2%. These are all in the bottom 17 of Montana's 56 counties.
Most of the cities/towns you mention all have successful football and athletic programs at the FBS level. They don't have to move up and build their programs. Laramie, Moscow and Pullman don't have successful football programs. The go up and down, but generally they struggle and their low level of success would not be acceptable to many UM fans, in my opinion.
FBS will never have a playoff system that a team like Montana would be good enough to participate in. The playoff system being contempled would be limited to a smaller number of powerhouse teams. UM fans don't want to just be in a division that has a playoff system; they want their team to be able to participate in the playoffs.
GrizMusician said:
One thing that Boise has that Missoula does not is big businesses headquartered in Boise. That was a huge financial hurdle when Boise moved up. Albertsons and other major corporations stepped up big time to make it happen.
Other than Washington Corp, who does Montana have like that? I can't think of anyone. And Boise had several.
AZGrizFan said:
Boise is the exception. No team moving up has been able to come close to Boise's level of success. Boise had the advantage of being reasonably well funded when it moved up, with good potential for more funding. It also got lucky. However, look at Boise's sports other than football. Most of them are pretty weak.
AZGrizFan said:'68griz said:
There are a total of TWO schools in the MWC that pay their coach $1,000,000.
You do realize (I'm sure) that Montana pays one of the LOWEST salaries in the BSC, yet somehow we manage to hang onto mediocrity by our fingertips. :| :|
Perhaps the bigger question we should be asking ourselves is this: How long are we going to be able to continue underpaying and overachieving as a program?
Exactly. The rest of the FCS is catching up to us or passing us in spending. Unless we change our model to bring in more funds (not on the back of the ticket holder), I think we will start a definite decline.
garizzalies
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we don't need more funds (esp to stay atop the BSC); rather, we need to better manage the funds we currently receive.
WaGriz4life
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I just have never been able to understand O'Day when he talks about how the athletic department barely breaks even every year and how it is such a struggle and a grind just to have the funds to break even. Then you look at other Big Sky schools that are also barely breaking even and they have zero football revenue. Doesn't make sense considering he also says we make $500,000 roughly on a home game. Doesn't make sense. I refuse to believe that UM's expenses are millions of dollars more than the other Big Sky schools.'68griz said:
I know this post isn't the first to suggest that somehow the state university's ability to fund full scholarship Division I football is somehow tied to how much money Missoula has, but it still just cracks me up. Do people really think the financial health of the University of Montana depends on Missoula's economy? Missoula left to its own devices would struggle to support a community college. Hell, Missoula couldn't even sell out a football game all on its own.'68griz said:
God help us if the state's largest university ever has to turn to Hoagieville or the Southgate Mall for serious dough.
Player....As a business attorney, you are well aware that there are successful business owners located throughout our state that will donate. In fact, more than likely many more than the Missoula area. Missoula can't compare to Billings in diverse business ownership and I can tell you, the majority are Griz.
